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May 30, 2009 2:08 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
I don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?! Also, I don't understand dispute about name, Macedonians fihgted together with other people against fascism in world war 2, promise was not more deny Macedonian nation. Also, Republic of Macedonia, was accepted in ON in 1946 years, without attest by Macedonians there wasn't be SFRY. After long time centuries deny and tragedies for Macedonians, Macedonia finally had freedom.Second how can little 2 million country to be danger for 12 millions country,why they change in 1988 name of north province in our name Macedonia?!Are they want occupied us?! I also worry how other people are ignorant and how they don't understand when they say insult without proves against Macedonians?!How can be they helenen when that is against History and Genetic proves?There was after Hellenistic time long time Roma Empire, many tribes from Europe and Africa,settled that territory and they weren't isolated, than came Otoman Empire,I don't care if they want to much to be what they are not,I don't deny them anything, but says things like that they are clear helenen race and how we come in 6 or 7 century and didn't mixed with old settled people,(there is proves that 70% of people in Macedonia are old settlers, only 30% came, (only 15% slavs) in 5 century and that is again long period) and that we haven't right for name, give self right to say insults against us. Pardon! I don't change my name, name of my grand parents isn't politic, I don't care for brainwashed people and corrupted politicians, I don't care if they are rich, I don't give my name.Sorry if you don't understand my English and totally me.heart beating
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May 30, 2009 11:15 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
Ne znaaaaamdunno
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May 31, 2009 2:23 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
BOBANBOBAN
BOBANBOBANBOBANBOBANPozarevac City, Central Serbia Serbia8 Threads 3,464 Posts
Samo da te pozdravim,i pozelim puno uspeha

handshake bouquet
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May 31, 2009 2:41 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
liakos
liakosliakossamos, North Aegean Greece22 Threads 393 Posts
In response to: I don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?! Also, I don't understand dispute about name, Macedonians fihgted together with other people against fascism in world war 2, promise was not more deny Macedonian nation. Also, Republic of Macedonia, was accepted in ON in 1946 years, without attest by Macedonians there wasn't be SFRY. After long time centuries deny and tragedies for Macedonians, Macedonia finally had freedom.Second how can little 2 million country to be danger for 12 millions country,why they change in 1988 name of north province in our name Macedonia?!Are they want occupied us?! I also worry how other people are ignorant and how they don't understand when they say insult without proves against Macedonians?!How can be they helenen when that is against History and Genetic proves?There was after Hellenistic time long time Roma Empire, many tribes from Europe and Africa,settled that territory and they weren't isolated, than came Otoman Empire,I don't care if they want to much to be what they are not,I don't deny them anything, but says things like that they are clear helenen race and how we come in 6 or 7 century and didn't mixed with old settled people,(there is proves that 70% of people in Macedonia are old settlers, only 30% came, (only 15% slavs) in 5 century and that is again long period) and that we haven't right for name, give self right to say insults against us. Pardon! I don't change my name, name of my grand parents isn't politic, I don't care for brainwashed people and corrupted politicians, I don't care if they are rich, I don't give my name.Sorry if you don't understand my English and totally me.


I am greek. My decent (blood) is from Greece, Minor Asia (turkey), Bulgaria, Germany, Italy, Macedonia (or FYROM i dont care). I've looked into it and i have proof.
I think you might be a victim of people in power. I think bad people want to APPROPRIATE history for their benefit. either it's your country or mine. And they try to play with us, cause they think we are stupid. You talk about the 2nd world war, and the promises. You probably don't know that the English (whom i love as people but not as imperialists) promised the same to BOTH Palestinians and Israelis. See where these are now!!!! Common people must override power games. We are all brothers and sisters.
borders are drawn by human hands, but we are born on a round planet.
be well.cool
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May 31, 2009 5:05 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
Interesting is in my street where I live there many married women from other countries, near me one older women from Montenegro, than house near me from Nish Serbia, one younger women from Novi Sad Serbia, one younger women from Greece, one women from Albania little far on street, one girl half Croatian, her mother is divorced, only on mine little street. Maybe that is with my street onlylaugh Maybe most of people are mixed, but in past wasn't mix here, was really important to take girl from same religion, good family from same city. Yes, we are all people, but we should respect differences in cultures and do not deny other culture and nations.
Hm.. maybe problem is that people who lived in that part, resettled every where in world and feel self Macedonians hope that they can beck own lend, which with centuries belonged them. I must say that my family have always been from my town and even women, I haven't interest for that part, only I see how are traumatize those people, even them children. But, can they? I think, no and the Greeks haven't reason to fear of them, only I can think that Greece wants take Republic of Macedonia or in collaboration with other divide. Politic and money are on the way. Can be Macedonia without Macedonians, can be people who came on that region be Macedonians and deny the name of my country?!Maybe only tombs are Macedonian, that lend can't be Macedonia without old Macedonians, lets them stop playing games, new coming are Greeks, we do not deny that, but absolutely not Macedonians. The only what can be I believe that Macedonian minority in Greece finally will have human rights and there will not pressure on them. I hope. Yes, we are humans, but let's respect differences.
peace
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Jun 1, 2009 1:48 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
Hvala Bobane, i tebe isto.wine
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Jun 2, 2009 1:39 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
gangel: Ne znaaaaam
bouquet
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Jun 3, 2009 2:28 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
BOBANBOBAN: Samo da te pozdravim,i pozelim puno uspeha


Na koi, na mene li ili na neia?
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Jun 3, 2009 1:18 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?!



That's easy.

Those politicians will be personally rewarded with money, position, or "favors" for getting their countries involved in NATO.

Sarkozy recently got France involved in the NATO military alliance again after 40 years of non participation.

Watch and see.

Somehow NATO is going to get involved in fighting in Central Asia, far away from the North Atlantic.
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Jun 3, 2009 1:19 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
Fallingman
FallingmanFallingmanDublin, Ireland29 Threads 12 Polls 11,436 Posts
huhala: I don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?! Also, I don't understand dispute about name, Macedonians fihgted together with other people against fascism in world war 2, promise was not more deny Macedonian nation. Also, Republic of Macedonia, was accepted in ON in 1946 years, without attest by Macedonians there wasn't be SFRY. After long time centuries deny and tragedies for Macedonians, Macedonia finally had freedom.Second how can little 2 million country to be danger for 12 millions country,why they change in 1988 name of north province in our name Macedonia?!Are they want occupied us?! I also worry how other people are ignorant and how they don't understand when they say insult without proves against Macedonians?!How can be they helenen when that is against History and Genetic proves?There was after Hellenistic time long time Roma Empire, many tribes from Europe and Africa,settled that territory and they weren't isolated, than came Otoman Empire,I don't care if they want to much to be what they are not,I don't deny them anything, but says things like that they are clear helenen race and how we come in 6 or 7 century and didn't mixed with old settled people,(there is proves that 70% of people in Macedonia are old settlers, only 30% came, (only 15% slavs) in 5 century and that is again long period) and that we haven't right for name, give self right to say insults against us. Pardon! I don't change my name, name of my grand parents isn't politic, I don't care for brainwashed people and corrupted politicians, I don't care if they are rich, I don't give my name.Sorry if you don't understand my English and totally me.


I think this should be in an Obama thread! laugh
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Jun 3, 2009 4:02 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
Hm.. but I know that Fence is one of head in NATO? Maybe I something miss, or I'm not informed well. Can you send me good site about NATO history?I'm not in politic but that too much claim for NATO and EU from our politicians, I don't see nice, something bad is behande that and I agree with your first sentence, for second sentence you confused me, for 3, I thought NATO is already involved in Central Asia.
RayfromUSA: don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?!
---------------------------------------------------------That's easy.

Those politicians will be personally rewarded with money, position, or "favors" for getting their countries involved in NATO.

Sarkozy recently got France involved in the NATO military alliance again after 40 years of non participation.

Watch and see.

Somehow NATO is going to get involved in fighting in Central Asia, far away from the North Atlantic.
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Jun 3, 2009 4:04 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
Fence= France sorry
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Jun 3, 2009 4:12 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
I'm wondering how Croatia feel right now...
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Jun 3, 2009 4:12 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
jetdevil2001
jetdevil2001jetdevil2001Tashkent, Uzbekistan6 Threads 1 Polls 406 Posts
RayfromUSA: don't understand why our politicians want in EU and NATO?!
---------------------------------------------------------That's easy.

Those politicians will be personally rewarded with money, position, or "favors" for getting their countries involved in NATO.

Sarkozy recently got France involved in the NATO military alliance again after 40 years of non participation.

Watch and see.

Somehow NATO is going to get involved in fighting in Central Asia, far away from the North Atlantic.

Where exactly in Central Asia, I see no NATO interference here in Uzbekistan. And NATO is not welcomed in Central Asia
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Jun 4, 2009 2:53 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
Sommerauer71: I'm wondering how Croatia feel right now...
I have read that more than 50% of Croatians don't like in NATO, but most of them like in EU. But, who ask people, they will enter in both.
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Jun 4, 2009 8:27 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
jetdevil2001
jetdevil2001jetdevil2001Tashkent, Uzbekistan6 Threads 1 Polls 406 Posts
huhala: I have read that more than 50% of Croatians don't like in NATO, but most of them like in EU. But, who ask people, they will enter in both.


cool the same they are going to to with Ukraine, cause majority of its citizens are not willing to join NATO.
I think you know, whose is initiating this) Yes, you are right, US government is supporting these new democratic countries in their efforts to become "secured", while the old world says "nay", unless the peoples of those Balkan and Eastern Europe countries wish it, but who will ask them, as you said...
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Jun 4, 2009 8:30 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
Khaderb
KhaderbKhaderbAmman, Jordan14 Threads 150 Posts
beacuse they have beautiful ladies heart wings
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Jun 4, 2009 10:04 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
BOBANBOBAN
BOBANBOBANBOBANBOBANPozarevac City, Central Serbia Serbia8 Threads 3,464 Posts
gangel: Na koi, na mene li ili na neia?



na tebe
teddybear
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Jun 4, 2009 10:34 AM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
BOBANBOBAN: na tebe
crying
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Jun 5, 2009 2:41 PM CST Why Macedonia in EU and NATO?!
huhala
huhalahuhalaBitola, Macedonia3 Threads 1 Polls 48 Posts
BOBANBOBAN: na tebe
Dobro. Prosla mi tuga sto nisam pozdravljena ja i moj forum iskoristili ste da pozdravite jednog drugog. Shalim se, pozdravljam vas oboje.thumbs up
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