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May 30, 2009 2:29 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
I am a bad mother. I can say that without feeling guilt and await the scandalised responses from Good Parents.

See, I was reading an article today about a woman who was pushing her daughter at the park on a swing. The little girl was pleading 'more Mummy, more'

The mother was in hell, her arms were aching and her mind was stuck and she was screaming out for stimulation.

I remember and very well, when my kids would not go to bed, I would be incensed and they were demanding more and more of something, the painful times when I had to read stories to my daughter and I remember once very clearly, saying I have had enough of this.

No parent I know, would ever claim anything other than being a good parent, we see it all the time, people telling us that they are great parents.

I am not a great or good parent, I am a parent with children that I have enjoyed immensely, but I have never claimed that I am a good mother.

The term 'bad parent' means that we often look at other parents with scorn and be completelty pompous and state, 'I would never treat my children like that' We look down our noses satisfied with ourselves that we are 'good parents'

I was told when I handed over 50% of my children to my ex husband when he thought it was okay to have an affair, that I was a bad parent, because I only had my children 50% of the time.

I thought it was bloody fantastic, here I was trying not to laden my children with the hurt and anger I felt towards him, and ensuring they had a relationship with him, that it was the right thing to do, but no, I was a bad parent. They are his children too, why should ne not have them also...

I would have happily palmed off my children to anyone rather than be stuck with them 24/7 and struggling, least of all with a loving father.

I am a bad parent. In being that, I raised 50% children who now have the benefit of their mother and father in their lives and are happy with that.

Bad mother??? Damn right I am and I am proud to be one!

Up for discussion folks...
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May 30, 2009 2:42 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Snuggs09
Snuggs09Snuggs09Somewhere, New Jersey USA128 Threads 1 Polls 2,615 Posts
Hi Sommer. I wasn't necessarily a great parent but I was a good parent because I looked out for my daughter's welfare since I was the only parent. Now that she is 44 years old I am no longer needed to look out for her because she can take care of herself and she has a very good husband. But every so often she will ask my opinion of something.

To be honest, when she was a little girl, she wanted to play board games and I didn't. I hated board games. I even hated having to read to her when she went to bed cause I had worked all day and I was tired. It's funny when I think back. I would try to skip around the story and she would say "you missed the part...." and then I'd have to go back and read from the beginning.

Those were the times I was a bad parent because I didn't want to do the things that little children want to do.

As she grew older I was able to relate to her better and I went on camping trips with her with the Girl Scouts, always went to school functions, PTA meetings, wherever she needed me to go, I would go WITH her.

My parents were bad, very bad parents. I was an obligation to them. My father didn't even go to my high school graduation. He thought the diamond bracelet he bought me would make up for his abence.
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May 30, 2009 2:51 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Hi Snuggs.

I love how you have been honest in that you say you did not want to play board games. This is exactly what I mean and what this lady stated in her article. It is okay to feel this and it is okay to say it.

How many times do we say to people on here, oh, I have always admired the way you put your child first'

We don't have to stop living to be parents and raise our children to be upstanding members of the soceity.

Too much pressure is on parents to be good parents and looking down our nose at those who can manage to successfully have a life running concurrently alongside raising children.

You were a bad parent in those times, other people tell us we are bad parents for not wanting to do the things that we should with our children, so I am saying that being a bad parent in the eyes of soceity is just bloody well okay.

I had many parents who did not come to their children's graduation yesterday...

Are they bad parents? No, they are the parents that for whatever they could not make it, I cannot make them into bad parents, by saying it was terrible that they were not there.
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May 30, 2009 2:55 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
Ah, Sommer...I can relate to what you say here. I have been criticized as being a "bad mother" for giving my ex custody of our sons. What mother would give them up, after all, unless she was a bad mother?

What they don't bother to find out is the reasons I did it. That he was the stay-at-home parent while I supported a family of four, and that I was working very long hours. Crazy hours, because if anyone called off, I would stay. I worked some days from 10 am until 2 am, only to go in again the next morning. How do you hire a sitter for that, and how do you justify it when there is a loving parent, a good parent, who is available to be one 24/7? With no family in the area anymore, I had nobody else to watch them for those crazy hours.

Also, he threatened me that if I did take custody, I'd never see them again. In this country we have milk cartons with missing children on them. Most of those children are abducted by the non-custodial parent, never to be seen by the rest of their family again. At least I had warning this would happen.

So, I gave him custody. It was best for the children, and assured us that we would have time together, for I have never missed any of my time I am allotted with them. I hold that time sacred. It's been 10 years now. Now they are talking about moving in with me for the last few years of their "childhood"...these wonderful, zany teen years. And the door is open. They are old enough not to need a parent around 24/7 anymore, which is good, because I still need to work.

Now he can't kidnap them and convince them I'm dead, or tell them other lies about me. He has tried over the past decade to drive a wedge between us, and it hasn't worked. My sons and I are good friends, and we talk about everything. I have discussed every major decision with them for the past decade, and held their good as well as my own in mind.

I have awesome sons. I might not have been the best of mothers, but at least my sons have no doubt that I love them deeply and have always done what's best for them, and always respected them enough to be honest with them.

Am I a bad mother? Maybe. But my sons don't think so, and that's all that matters. wine
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May 30, 2009 3:04 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Snuggs09
Snuggs09Snuggs09Somewhere, New Jersey USA128 Threads 1 Polls 2,615 Posts
Sommerauer71: Hi Snuggs.

I love how you have been honest in that you say you did not want to play board games. This is exactly what I mean and what this lady stated in her article. It is okay to feel this and it is okay to say it.

How many times do we say to people on here, oh, I have always admired the way you put your child first'

We don't have to stop living to be parents and raise our children to be upstanding members of the soceity.

Too much pressure is on parents to be good parents and looking down our nose at those who can manage to successfully have a life running concurrently alongside raising children.

You were a bad parent in those times, other people tell us we are bad parents for not wanting to do the things that we should with our children, so I am saying that being a bad parent in the eyes of soceity is just bloody well okay.

I had many parents who did not come to their children's graduation yesterday...

Are they bad parents? No, they are the parents that for whatever they could not make it, I cannot make them into bad parents, by saying it was terrible that they were not there.


Sommer, my father's refusal to not go to my graduation was because he was a selfish B.

And even thought I didn't play board games and I tried to rush through the bed time story, my daughter turned out very well. I am completely proud of her. We have our momements but show me a mother and daughter that don't have words once in awhile.

Even though she is an adult, she will ALWAYS come first in my life. You are always a parent no matter how old your child is.
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May 30, 2009 3:09 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Snuggs09
Snuggs09Snuggs09Somewhere, New Jersey USA128 Threads 1 Polls 2,615 Posts
druidess6308: Ah, Sommer...I can relate to what you say here. I have been criticized as being a "bad mother" for giving my ex custody of our sons. What mother would give them up, after all, unless she was a bad mother?

What they don't bother to find out is the reasons I did it. That he was the stay-at-home parent while I supported a family of four, and that I was working very long hours. Crazy hours, because if anyone called off, I would stay. I worked some days from 10 am until 2 am, only to go in again the next morning. How do you hire a sitter for that, and how do you justify it when there is a loving parent, a good parent, who is available to be one 24/7? With no family in the area anymore, I had nobody else to watch them for those crazy hours.

Also, he threatened me that if I did take custody, I'd never see them again. In this country we have milk cartons with missing children on them. Most of those children are abducted by the non-custodial parent, never to be seen by the rest of their family again. At least I had warning this would happen.

So, I gave him custody. It was best for the children, and assured us that we would have time together, for I have never missed any of my time I am allotted with them. I hold that time sacred. It's been 10 years now. Now they are talking about moving in with me for the last few years of their "childhood"...these wonderful, zany teen years. And the door is open. They are old enough not to need a parent around 24/7 anymore, which is good, because I still need to work.

Now he can't kidnap them and convince them I'm dead, or tell them other lies about me. He has tried over the past decade to drive a wedge between us, and it hasn't worked. My sons and I are good friends, and we talk about everything. I have discussed every major decision with them for the past decade, and held their good as well as my own in mind.

I have awesome sons. I might not have been the best of mothers, but at least my sons have no doubt that I love them deeply and have always done what's best for them, and always respected them enough to be honest with them.

Am I a bad mother? Maybe. But my sons don't think so, and that's all that matters.


Dru, my husband threatened me too when we were separated. I had left him four times and had to go back to him three times cause each time I was afraid he would get custody. I am divorced 39 years and back then I didn't know the laws. I didn't know that with him being an alcoholic he would have never gotten custody but he had money so I figured he would buy his way in the court.

So was I a good parent cause I went back to live with my husband who was an alcoholic in fear of losing her. I didn't care what I had to deal with at the time. All I wanted was for my dauther to be with me under my supervision and not an alcoholics.
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May 30, 2009 3:09 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
pubwrite08
pubwrite08pubwrite08Columbus, Georgia USA14 Threads 2,451 Posts
It gets hard at times. I know, and any mother, single or not does get worn out. I gave my kids Children's Benedryl, the proper dose for their age and weight, one night a week so I could write. I loved them, and still love them, and they love me. Would I do that again maybe, maybe not, but back then it was a method that worked for me.
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May 30, 2009 3:11 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Snuggs09: Sommer, my father's refusal to not go to my graduation was because he was a selfish B.

And even thought I didn't play board games and I tried to rush through the bed time story, my daughter turned out very well. I am completely proud of her. We have our momements but show me a mother and daughter that don't have words once in awhile.

Even though she is an adult, she will ALWAYS come first in my life. You are always a parent no matter how old your child is.


I am sure that he was a selfish b Snuggs, if you feel that way about it... But that does not make all parents bad parents because they cannot make their child's graduation. In my view.

My children do not always come first, we all come first, me, them, my partner, I rank them all at #1 and can manage to fit them all in...

I do not sacrifice another person in my life for my children. If they need me I would be there, I am there even when they do not need me.

I like your last statement, yes you are a parent no matter how old your child is, you are absoutley correct, other people see it as good or bad, because soceity expects that of us.
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May 30, 2009 3:16 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
CaptainBeirutIII
CaptainBeirutIIICaptainBeirutIIILondon, Greater London, England UK95 Threads 1 Polls 1,186 Posts
I've been a naughty boy.
What are you going to do about it?
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May 30, 2009 3:16 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
sweetvelvet
sweetvelvetsweetvelvetdublin, Dublin Ireland37 Threads 1 Polls 6,258 Posts
i think we all do the best that we can for our children .i had to put my eldest child into care when he was 12 .it was the hardest thing i ever did.for years ive felt guilty for this but looking at him now he is more indepentant.he also gets all the help he needs .also my other two children where able to have a good life without worry.im proud of the way all my kids have turned out.its also thanks to the carers who looked after him.teddybear teddybear
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May 30, 2009 3:16 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Snuggs09: Dru, my husband threatened me too when we were separated. I had left him four times and had to go back to him three times cause each time I was afraid he would get custody. I am divorced 39 years and back then I didn't know the laws. I didn't know that with him being an alcoholic he would have never gotten custody but he had money so I figured he would buy his way in the court.

So was I a good parent cause I went back to live with my husband who was an alcoholic in fear of losing her. I didn't care what I had to deal with at the time. All I wanted was for my dauther to be with me under my supervision and not an alcoholics.


Just awful Snuggs and Dru that you were threatened with never seeing your children again.

My ex husband removed mine from the country. It took me 18 months to get them back. But I did and then when I did, I ensured that their loyalties would never be torn again, hence the decision I made to agree to 50% residency. It has worked for us.

Snuggs, it is amazing how one person can terrify you into thinking these things and yes, you were a good parent because you went back to her father because of your daughter. You were in fear of losing her, so to keep her you went back. Better her be with an alcoholic with her mother around than alone with just her father.
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May 30, 2009 3:17 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
CaptainBeirutIII: I've been a naughty boy.
What are you going to do about it?


What is who going to do about it?
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May 30, 2009 3:27 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
Snuggs09: Dru, my husband threatened me too when we were separated. I had left him four times and had to go back to him three times cause each time I was afraid he would get custody. I am divorced 39 years and back then I didn't know the laws. I didn't know that with him being an alcoholic he would have never gotten custody but he had money so I figured he would buy his way in the court.

So was I a good parent cause I went back to live with my husband who was an alcoholic in fear of losing her. I didn't care what I had to deal with at the time. All I wanted was for my dauther to be with me under my supervision and not an alcoholics.


I don't blame you at all. I would have done the same. Mine didn't threaten to sue for custody, or fight me for it. He just told me I'd never see them again. I knew him well enough to know it wasn't an idle threat. He would have kidnapped them and disappeared. If I ever did find them again, he would have had them brainwashed enough that they wouldn't want to spend time with me. Trust me, I know what he's done over the years as it is, and he's tried to do this. He loves those boys, but he hates me more because I got away from his torment. (And no, he doesn't torment them, or he'd have never seen them again.)
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May 30, 2009 3:28 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
druidess6308: Ah, thank you Sommer...but I already knew that myself. As I said, they think I'm a good mother, and that's all that matters. Personally, I've never given a rat's fuzzy about what anyone else thinks. But I do know what they think...some have been honest enough to say it to my face.

And I've never thought of myself as a bad mother. None of us are bad parents, unless we've been abusive. And not always even then. My mother, for example. She was abusive in every way...and yet, she was also a good mother who would defend me to anyone and stand behind me when I sought my dreams. She worries, but we laugh and we share. She taught me to be strong, and she taught me to be me. She was the best mother she knew how to be, and that's all any of us can ever be.


I agree, none of us are bad parents, my post was to show how soceity see us and how we operate as part of soceity. No person wants to be a bad parent or certainly not be seen as one.

But people know that the term 'bad parent' will smart, whereas 'good parent' will make for a good smile and themselves good about it...

I can relate to you also about your mother with my own mother, hence why I was raised by my father...
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May 30, 2009 3:34 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Hi sweetvelvet.

We do do our best, indeed. Unfortunately many people's best is often not good enough for many other people.

What a lovely thought to the carers.
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May 30, 2009 3:39 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
sweetvelvet
sweetvelvetsweetvelvetdublin, Dublin Ireland37 Threads 1 Polls 6,258 Posts
Sommerauer71: Hi sweetvelvet.

We do do our best, indeed. Unfortunately many people's best is often not good enough for many other people.

What a lovely thought to the carers.



yes we do,yes i know ive had it flung in my face by other mothers around my area.
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May 30, 2009 3:59 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
sweetvelvet: yes we do,yes i know ive had it flung in my face by other mothers around my area.


And that could not have been easy for you.

You know at some huge personal cost to ourselves, we make decisions for the benefit of others and we are still criticised.

I take my hat off to you, Sweetvelvet. You don't need confirmation from me about that you made the right decision, you confirmed that in your first post.

And that's the thing isn't it? Nobody knows what goes on behind our doors yet people go off what they see is bad parenting.

You have sort of epitomised what my thread was all about.
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May 30, 2009 4:04 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Hi lovely.

Superb post. I am pleased to read that you are not one of those people who claim they give up everything for their children which I saw in a thread on a British forum, they were slating mother's who worked and that they were interested in material things and so busy gaining a career that they were forgetting about how to be mothers. It was appalling.

What about mother's who have to work? What about mothers who want to increase their earning potential so that they can afford to do nice things with their children or save up for a holiday?

And what simply about mother's who feel that their role as a mother is much more fulfilling if they work and can manage to be a parent and work at the same time?

Good for you lovely, I hope it all works out for you and you can come sit in my corner with me and be a bad parent. We can pea shoot the good ones!



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May 30, 2009 4:20 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
sweetvelvet
sweetvelvetsweetvelvetdublin, Dublin Ireland37 Threads 1 Polls 6,258 Posts
hi lovely its good to see you making a life for yourself too.that doesn't make you a bad parent .i wish you luck with college and work .hug
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May 30, 2009 6:33 PM CST Why it is okay to be a bad parent.
RicoWest
RicoWestRicoWestlos angeles, California USA52 Threads 1 Polls 612 Posts
Sommerauer71: I am a bad mother. I can say that without feeling guilt and await the scandalised responses from Good Parents.


Funny how CSers act so stupid... but they smarten up real quick when kids are involved.

I'm glad I'm not a dad... I would give my kids a go-cart and a BB gun if they wanted one. I was not allowed to have nice things when I was a kid.crying I would also let my kids eat plenty of beef and chocolate... it puts hair on their chests.laugh
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