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Jul 12, 2009 7:03 PM CST a question for the ladies
perci1978
perci1978perci1978pittsfield, New Hampshire USA4 Threads 55 Posts
I have a problem... well it is not specifically my problem... but here it is..

I am a deeply caring and loving person who cares deeply for her friends as much.. I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with... i get so frustrsted..because i don't tolerate lies, deception, and no one will ever come before my children... does anyone understand what i am talking about!!!frustrated
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Jul 12, 2009 7:04 PM CST a question for the ladies
dirko63
dirko63dirko63brussels, Brussels (Bruxelles) Belgium2 Threads 426 Posts
In response to: I have a problem... well it is not specifically my problem... but here it is..

I am a deeply caring and loving person who cares deeply for her friends as much.. I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with... i get so frustrsted..because i don't tolerate lies, deception, and no one will ever come before my children... does anyone understand what i am talking about!!!


This can also apply to men as well wine
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Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM CST a question for the ladies
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
Yeah I understand, from an outsider it's easy to see it as black and white, being in the situation is harder. I guess you hope that one day it will work out, you don't realise at the time that it wont.

In your head and heart you know what you want the relationship to be like, in reality its never going to happen.
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Jul 12, 2009 7:05 PM CST a question for the ladies
virgiomonkey
virgiomonkeyvirgiomonkeyAuckland, New Zealand4,241 Posts
dirko63: This can also apply to men as well


.......thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up ...............

J.Dgrin devil
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Jul 12, 2009 7:10 PM CST a question for the ladies
I stopped being friends with someone because of her abusive relationship. The problems in her relationship spilled over to her friendships. We tried helping her. Tried providing her with the support she needed to get out of the relationship. After a while you get tired of the same ole. You get tired of being there for someone who refuses to be their for themselves.
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Jul 12, 2009 7:11 PM CST a question for the ladies
sxc666
sxc666sxc666unknown, Queensland Australia51 Threads 16,853 Posts
dirko63: This can also apply to men as well
I don't this she was comparing men and women. She was expressing her situation which happens to be a female.
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Jul 12, 2009 7:16 PM CST a question for the ladies
OneKitty
OneKittyOneKittyLa Grande, Oregon USA56 Threads 4 Polls 1,351 Posts
perci1978: I have a problem... well it is not specifically my problem... but here it is..

I am a deeply caring and loving person who cares deeply for her friends as much.. I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with... i get so frustrsted..because i don't tolerate lies, deception, and no one will ever come before my children... does anyone understand what i am talking about!!!


Yes, I understand your situation. It is hard to stand by and let someone you love and care about continue on in a bad and abusive relationship.

Ultimately, it will be her/their decision on what to do. Maybe your friend could go to counseling or you could take her to a woman's support group dealing with abusive topics or something. That way, she would not have to go alone and feel uncomfortable there all by her self. She would learn that what she is allowing is not "normal" behavior and that she is not totally alone in her situation. She might be able to regain her self confidence and change her situation once she realizes she is not totally on her own and that there are people/organizations out there that can help her.

If she won't do these things, well, maybe you need to ask yourself, "Just how much of this can I take?" I know I have a great deal of difficulty watching a loved one "kill" themselves (for lack of a better word). You just love them so much, that you can't watch that and you have to remove yourself from their situation just so you can survive.

I hope this helps you and I hope you get lots of great responses here.

Bless you for your great kindness. I am certain your friends and family appreciate you! kiss
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Jul 12, 2009 8:14 PM CST a question for the ladies
perci1978
perci1978perci1978pittsfield, New Hampshire USA4 Threads 55 Posts
I appreciate everyone's imput on this subject...and while I understand This can happen to men as well as women.. I am not a man .. so I appreciate all your advice.teddybear
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Jul 12, 2009 8:19 PM CST a question for the ladies
queenm1
queenm1queenm1any, Virginia USA1 Posts
some women just get stuck in that kind life b cause they been told that they won't find anybody better but me personaly can't deal with a lair or cheater and if u love urself then u wont deal with it if u dont love urself nobody else will.
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Jul 12, 2009 8:20 PM CST a question for the ladies
perci1978: I have a problem... well it is not specifically my problem... but here it is..

I am a deeply caring and loving person who cares deeply for her friends as much.. I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with... i get so frustrsted..because i don't tolerate lies, deception, and no one will ever come before my children... does anyone understand what i am talking about!!!


I'm with you on this one...for years, I have wondered the same thing about women! dunno

When someone, finds an answer, I would love to know it! cheers
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Jul 12, 2009 11:03 PM CST a question for the ladies
Ocee35
Ocee35Ocee35Jackson, Michigan USA69 Threads 2 Polls 3,852 Posts
perci1978: I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with...



The more we want to believe something,

the easier it is to believe it.

Even if it's not true.




Most people at least tint reality with desire.

I would say all people, but absolutes have a history

of proving my ignorance.
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Jul 12, 2009 11:05 PM CST a question for the ladies
Ocee35
Ocee35Ocee35Jackson, Michigan USA69 Threads 2 Polls 3,852 Posts
LethalLove: We can use our 'caring and loving natures', as a way of having a 'right' to an opinion about other people's lives.

We don't....we get to love them with arm's wide open, and allow them their process...no matter how painful it appears to be.


.....Thank you.



hug
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Jul 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST a question for the ladies
morgan5
morgan5morgan5chelmsford, Essex, England UK87 Threads 8,237 Posts
LethalLove: I understand you are deeply caring and loving...and your friend's situation saddens you deeply.

What I want to ask you is, are you also deeply respectful?

If so.....utilise your respect for your friend, step away from having an opinion of her choices, and love her anyway.

I know I sound harsh, but it isn't the message I am trying to convey.

We can use our 'caring and loving natures', as a way of having a 'right' to an opinion about other people's lives.

We don't....we get to love them with arm's wide open, and allow them their process...no matter how painful it appears to be.
Good post, completely agree wine
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Jul 13, 2009 10:39 AM CST a question for the ladies
druidess6308
druidess6308druidess6308Aliquippa, Pennsylvania USA79 Threads 13,695 Posts
LethalLove: As to reasons why they stay?

Co-dependent natures.

Emotional neediness.

Fear.

Financial security.

Poor self esteem.

Children.

Religious views.etc etc etc etc........
thumbs up
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Jul 13, 2009 11:17 AM CST a question for the ladies
readytosee
readytoseereadytoseeChatham, Ontario Canada6 Posts
perci1978: I have a problem... well it is not specifically my problem... but here it is..

I am a deeply caring and loving person who cares deeply for her friends as much.. I just don't understand why women would stay with men that treat them like crap.. use them..lie to them... and tell me they don't know how to express themselves to the person they are with... i get so frustrsted..because i don't tolerate lies, deception, and no one will ever come before my children... does anyone understand what i am talking about!!!

First of all, be glad that you are seeing this with an outsiders perspective. What we tolerate and what someone else tolerates are two entirely different things. It is also good that you put your children in their rightful place as being a life-long commitment. One can only hope that when this 'friend' decides that they have had enough, that you will be there to support them and love them unconditionally. However, since like quitting any addiction, it takes time and they will have setbacks as it may have alot of issues involved (financial, children, religion etc. ). That waiting for that day, for them to want a way out, may not come. You have to decide if you can support that person or have to walk away.
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Jul 13, 2009 4:49 PM CST a question for the ladies
perci1978
perci1978perci1978pittsfield, New Hampshire USA4 Threads 55 Posts
LethalLove: I understand you are deeply caring and loving...and your friend's situation saddens you deeply.

What I want to ask you is, are you also deeply respectful?

If so.....utilise your respect for your friend, step away from having an opinion of her choices, and love her anyway.

I know I sound harsh, but it isn't the message I am trying to convey.

We can use our 'caring and loving natures', as a way of having a 'right' to an opinion about other people's lives.

We don't....we get to love them with arm's wide open, and allow them their process...no matter how painful it appears to be.



lethal love,

You do not sound harsh to me... That is why i posted this.. because I am flabbergasted as to what to do thank you for your advice in this situation....teddybear
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