God vs Religion (19)
I will share my belief, GOD is just one and HIS religion is also 1, the first man was given that religion but as number of people grew more, they start going their own ways, so they divided and now we see different number of religions each claiming to be GOD’s religion
1- GOD is still there even people reject all religion.
2- If there was no GOD, which I cannot suppose myself, because I think, there were no we too, so there was no one to ask this question too. Just my answer.
3- GOD and religion are independent things, one religion was given by GOD and all others were created by mankind.
1- GOD is still there even people reject all religion.
2- If there was no GOD, which I cannot suppose myself, because I think, there were no we too, so there was no one to ask this question too. Just my answer.
3- GOD and religion are independent things, one religion was given by GOD and all others were created by mankind.
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Everyone since the beginning of history believed in a God or Goddess but only when someone wrote about that God or Goddess they established a religion based on that God or Godess. So I go with belief in God with some truth about that God written in the Bible mixed with a lot of myths.
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religion has many expects to it. A union of a nation through a common belief, a law by which to live by and pre modern civilization it was used in the same way a flag is today. So yes some belief system would always be in place.
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bwerqa: I will share my belief, GOD is just one and HIS religion is also 1, the first man was given that religion but as number of people grew more, they start going their own ways, so they divided and now we see different number of religions each claiming to be GOD’s religion
1- GOD is still there even people reject all religion.
2- If there was no GOD, which I cannot suppose myself, because I think, there were no we too, so there was no one to ask this question too. Just my answer.
3- GOD and religion are independent things, one religion was given by GOD and all others were created by mankind.
This is also my belief and to speak of the seperate religions, lets also include the churches that maintain them.1- GOD is still there even people reject all religion.
2- If there was no GOD, which I cannot suppose myself, because I think, there were no we too, so there was no one to ask this question too. Just my answer.
3- GOD and religion are independent things, one religion was given by GOD and all others were created by mankind.
1- The religion given by God, formed the church of God. Within it, one will feel the presence of God, it's undeniable. However, if one does not feel his presence then they are in denial or they are in...
2- The religion created by mankind which formed the church of man, using "God" for their agenda(s). Within it one will never truly feel the presence of God due to false doctrines.
This form of religion has severely caused discredit to the true religion of God--because religion in general, as a whole is blamed for any "religious" wrong-doings.
Following the biblical era, I believe many, whom accuse religion of starting wars may not consider that it was the religion created by mankind. Instead, religion in general is accused.
To seek the truth, one must first seperate the two religions and know the differences between them.
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I think, that the relationship between God and religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
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mmusa: I think, that the relationship between God and religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
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I think religion was man made and spirituality is what GOD REALLY WANTED.
JMO
JMO
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YouMeUs: This is also my belief and to speak of the seperate religions, lets also include the churches that maintain them.
1- The religion given by God, formed the church of God. Within it, one will feel the presence of God, it's undeniable. However, if one does not feel his presence then they are in denial or they are in...
2- The religion created by mankind which formed the church of man, using "God" for their agenda(s). Within it one will never truly feel the presence of God due to false doctrines.
This form of religion has severely caused discredit to the true religion of God--because religion in general, as a whole is blamed for any "religious" wrong-doings.
Following the biblical era, I believe many, whom accuse religion of starting wars may not consider that it was the religion created by mankind. Instead, religion in general is accused.
To seek the truth, one must first seperate the two religions and know the differences between them.
1- The religion given by God, formed the church of God. Within it, one will feel the presence of God, it's undeniable. However, if one does not feel his presence then they are in denial or they are in...
2- The religion created by mankind which formed the church of man, using "God" for their agenda(s). Within it one will never truly feel the presence of God due to false doctrines.
This form of religion has severely caused discredit to the true religion of God--because religion in general, as a whole is blamed for any "religious" wrong-doings.
Following the biblical era, I believe many, whom accuse religion of starting wars may not consider that it was the religion created by mankind. Instead, religion in general is accused.
To seek the truth, one must first seperate the two religions and know the differences between them.
So as you and Bwerqa are from different faiths, which of you follows the one given by God?
Could it not be that both are equally "God given" but with different interpretations for different people at different times in history?
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Rhiannon3: So as you and Bwerqa are from different faiths, which of you follows the one given by God?
Could it not be that both are equally "God given" but with different interpretations for different people at different times in history?
I think it could very well be, as God sends his message to ALL that will receive him. Bwerqa would have to verify his side, his faith if you will, to answer your question completely.Could it not be that both are equally "God given" but with different interpretations for different people at different times in history?
To reiterate my previous post where I had borrowed from Bwerqa; Religion of God is global. It is of the same faith for each nationality that will receive him--God speaks all languages since he created them. Again, the religion of God should not be confused with the religion of man. Two different religions and faith.
mmusa made a very good point that also explains it, in which I have highlighted below.
mmusa: I think, that the relationship between God and religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
In fact, God is always sends the same message to the people in different time and country .
But people add their own comments to the message of God ,for make themselves glorify with God.
Thus diversifying religions.
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A poem I ran into that seems relevant. Ken
Just As
Just as
The dissection of
Composition and technique
Can never show you the painting
Just as
Rational theory and scientific experiments
Can never explain love
Neither can
Religion
Ever show you
God.
---unAsleep
Just As
Just as
The dissection of
Composition and technique
Can never show you the painting
Just as
Rational theory and scientific experiments
Can never explain love
Neither can
Religion
Ever show you
God.
---unAsleep
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In response to:
If there were no religion, would there still be a God/ess/es?
If there were no religion, would there still be a God/ess/es?
Of course.
If there were no universe, there would still be God.
In response to:
People seem to need to have an explanation for the unexplained.
People seem to need to have an explanation for the unexplained.
And then there are people who can't stand to acknowledge that they are not the highest intelligence in the universe.
Religion is a manmade belief system.
God is the creator and Lord of the entire universe.
I don't see how you could be confused about distinguishing between them.
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charlos: 1)
So love is just a chemical cocktail in humans brains.
So love is just a chemical cocktail in humans brains.
So why waste time looking for a person to stimulate production of the ingredients? Why not just take a ready made "love pill" that has the entire "chemical coctail"?
Because you know that love is infinitely more than the mix of neurotransmitters you claim it to be.
Your "chemical coctail" love would never satisfy anybody's need.
Not even your own.
And you know it.
And the same is even more true for God.
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cameraman: Everyone since the beginning of history believed in a God or Goddess but only when someone wrote about that God or Goddess they established a religion based on that God or Godess. So I go with belief in God with some truth about that God written in the Bible mixed with a lot of myths.
I can certainly agree that there are a lot of myths in the Bible.
Creation myths exist in every culture.
They are the necessary starting points for building a worldview.
Genesis is just the starting point on the path that led to Christ. It has no special significance beyond that.
The Laws of Moses are the same.
They served a purpose along the way to the coming of Christ,
but have no significance at all beyond that.
Every culture had its basic laws, and they are always pretty much the same.
But there's only one Jesus Christ.
Jesus fulfilled the OT, just like cash fulfills a check.
Once it has been cashed, a check is no longer of any value other than to prove the source of the funds and demonstrate that the transaction was done legally.
That about all the Old Testament serves for too.
It only serves to validate the New Testament.
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Knowing all the chemicals and pathways does not explain love. It only makes clear a few very small aspects. There is no explanation for your personal experience. It is wordless. Any words used would point at the experience but could never be the experience itself. The finger pointing at the moon is not the moon. Knowing all the explanations about water or reading the word "water" would do nothing for your thirst.
It seems we have this illusion that if something can't be put into words, then it doesn't exist. And further, that if we can put it into words, that we understand it. Try using words to describe the sound of a robin to someone who has never heard one. Do you think they will hear the sound? Words are useful but they are not a God unless you make them into one.
Does God exist? For those like yourself, you have already "proven" that no god exists and therefore, doesn't exist for anyone else. You have tried to prove or disprove using the words and explanations of others. Even though a moderate inquiry reveals how little of the universe words can adequately express.
For those that believe, they also believe that God exists for everyone whether they know it or not. Most are also going on the words of others.
Very rare are those that take the path that goes beyond words and belief and enter into knowing. True knowledge of God requires no belief or faith. Once the overlooked is seen, it is as self evident as your own existence.
Ken
It seems we have this illusion that if something can't be put into words, then it doesn't exist. And further, that if we can put it into words, that we understand it. Try using words to describe the sound of a robin to someone who has never heard one. Do you think they will hear the sound? Words are useful but they are not a God unless you make them into one.
Does God exist? For those like yourself, you have already "proven" that no god exists and therefore, doesn't exist for anyone else. You have tried to prove or disprove using the words and explanations of others. Even though a moderate inquiry reveals how little of the universe words can adequately express.
For those that believe, they also believe that God exists for everyone whether they know it or not. Most are also going on the words of others.
Very rare are those that take the path that goes beyond words and belief and enter into knowing. True knowledge of God requires no belief or faith. Once the overlooked is seen, it is as self evident as your own existence.
Ken
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RayfromUSA: I can certainly agree that there are a lot of myths in the Bible.
Creation myths exist in every culture.
They are the necessary starting points for building a worldview.
Genesis is just the starting point on the path that led to Christ. It has no special significance beyond that.
The Laws of Moses are the same.
They served a purpose along the way to the coming of Christ,
but have no significance at all beyond that.
Every culture had its basic laws, and they are always pretty much the same.
But there's only one Jesus Christ.
Jesus fulfilled the OT, just like cash fulfills a check.
Once it has been cashed, a check is no longer of any value other than to prove the source of the funds and demonstrate that the transaction was done legally.
That about all the Old Testament serves for too.
It only serves to validate the New Testament.
Creation myths exist in every culture.
They are the necessary starting points for building a worldview.
Genesis is just the starting point on the path that led to Christ. It has no special significance beyond that.
The Laws of Moses are the same.
They served a purpose along the way to the coming of Christ,
but have no significance at all beyond that.
Every culture had its basic laws, and they are always pretty much the same.
But there's only one Jesus Christ.
Jesus fulfilled the OT, just like cash fulfills a check.
Once it has been cashed, a check is no longer of any value other than to prove the source of the funds and demonstrate that the transaction was done legally.
That about all the Old Testament serves for too.
It only serves to validate the New Testament.
The Judeo-Christian religion is based on the Holy Bible. Without the Bible Judeo-Christian would be a spiritual religion based on the working of the Holy Spirit. Jesus Christ was sent by God to fulfill the law of God to free us from God's judgment so we can be forgiven our sins and saved from death through the resurrection into eternal life in heaven. That is all that Jesus Christ is really about, salvation.
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God is not a religion, religion is man made. God is a believe and you must have faith in what you believe for it to be real.
religion causes war's, hate between different believes.
God is love and peace.
and if there was no God would there still be religion?? No
if there was no God then there would be no people to make religion
religion causes war's, hate between different believes.
God is love and peace.
and if there was no God would there still be religion?? No
if there was no God then there would be no people to make religion
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Declan83: God is not a religion, religion is man made. God is a believe and you must have faith in what you believe for it to be real.
religion causes war's, hate between different believes.
God is love and peace.
and if there was no God would there still be religion?? No
if there was no God then there would be no people to make religion
religion causes war's, hate between different believes.
God is love and peace.
and if there was no God would there still be religion?? No
if there was no God then there would be no people to make religion
Now you thinking that I made a very scientific explanation.
Communism or secularism is a religion too.Where is God in Communism.
religion causes war's... this is a big lie.Religion does not controlling life during two hundred years, Is what happened in the world , has war dropped ?
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Thou shalt have none other gods before me. Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me...
Although you talk of peace...Jesus is the only way, the truth and life...He loves even you though you may reject him in your heart ... He came for sinners like you and me...
But Satan hates you very much.. He hates all of us including the demons he "PIMPS".... Open you heart to Christ and he will see you through... He has to be written on your heart...
Hell is a place of eternal separation from God, and people go there when they die because they chose to separate themselves from God while living on earth. God created us with the free will to make our own choices, and separating ourselves from God is one of the choices we are free to make. Our free will is a wonderful gift from God in that He does not force us to love Him or to follow Him. Without our free will, we would be nothing but puppets or robots, which does not please God, and certainly does nothing to better our lives.
While God desires that everyone would choose to love Him, some people will choose not to. These people will die in their sins and be separated from God forever in hell. Many would say that this is unfair, and that a loving God would never set up a system such as this; however, it is precisely God's love for us, and the fact that He is perfectly just, that tells us why hell exists, and why men and women will choose to go there. God loves us so much that He respects our freedom of choice. If we choose not to love Him, then why would He want to force us to live with Him eternally in heaven? Wouldn't living for eternity with someone we don't love be hell anyway? God wants to spare those people who don't love Him from having to live with Him and be under His rule for eternity.
Although you talk of peace...Jesus is the only way, the truth and life...He loves even you though you may reject him in your heart ... He came for sinners like you and me...
But Satan hates you very much.. He hates all of us including the demons he "PIMPS".... Open you heart to Christ and he will see you through... He has to be written on your heart...
Hell is a place of eternal separation from God, and people go there when they die because they chose to separate themselves from God while living on earth. God created us with the free will to make our own choices, and separating ourselves from God is one of the choices we are free to make. Our free will is a wonderful gift from God in that He does not force us to love Him or to follow Him. Without our free will, we would be nothing but puppets or robots, which does not please God, and certainly does nothing to better our lives.
While God desires that everyone would choose to love Him, some people will choose not to. These people will die in their sins and be separated from God forever in hell. Many would say that this is unfair, and that a loving God would never set up a system such as this; however, it is precisely God's love for us, and the fact that He is perfectly just, that tells us why hell exists, and why men and women will choose to go there. God loves us so much that He respects our freedom of choice. If we choose not to love Him, then why would He want to force us to live with Him eternally in heaven? Wouldn't living for eternity with someone we don't love be hell anyway? God wants to spare those people who don't love Him from having to live with Him and be under His rule for eternity.
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1) If there were no religion, would there still be a God/ess/es?
I think most people who believe in any God/ess/es would say yes. Religion prescribes/suggests how the God/ess/es in question should be honoured, but the God/ess/es are there anyway.
2) If there were no God/ess/es, would there still be religion?
I think probably yes. Every culture, however small, everywhere in the world, has some sort of religion. People seem to need to have an explanation for the unexplained.
So, if God/ess/es and religion are essentially independent of each other (each would exist without the other) - what is the relationship between them?