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Nov 18, 2009 1:39 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
The U.S. military is aiding police in a California conduct “counterinsurgency” operations as part of a crack down on gang related violence in the city of Salinas, a relationship officials admit pushes the boundaries of the constitutional bar on the military operating within U.S. borders but one that should be expanded nationwide.

“Since February, combat veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan have been advising Salinas police on counterinsurgency strategy, bringing lessons from the battlefield to the meanest streets in an American city,” reports the Washington Post.

“This is our surge,” said (Mayor) Donohue, who solicited the assistance from the elite Naval Postgraduate School, 20 miles and a world away in Monterey. “When the public heard about this, they thought we were going to send the Navy SEALs into Salinas.”

The head of the program, former Special Forces career officer Col. Hy Rothstein, who oversaw counterinsurgency operations in Colombia and Central America, describes the program as a “laboratory”. The Washington Post article implies that the members of his team are retired veterans, yet later admits that the men are “mostly naval officers taking time between deployments,” meaning that they are active duty, not retired.

Another slick form of spin on behalf of the Post is the claim that the program doesn’t violate constitutional blocks on the military engaging in domestic law enforcement because Rothstein’s team are helping on a “voluntary” basis. This is completely contradicted in the second paragraph of the article when it is admitted that Mayor Dennis Donohue “affirmed his decision to seek help from an unlikely source: the U.S. military,” meaning that the program isn’t voluntary at all, the Mayor of the city instigated the military’s involvement. At the end of the article, a nationwide version of the program is also advocated.

Rothstein explains how his team employ methods used against insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan to get the job done in Salinas, using military software that “tracks crimes and links suspects and their associates by social, geographic and family connections”.



Rothstein also admitted how part of the program utilizes military psyops tactics to thwart the public from hearing “negative messages,” suggesting control of the local media.

The Post article goes into great depth to depict the town as being under siege from dangerous Hispanic gang members in an attempt to push the justification of military involvement. At no point is it mentioned that if the police were tough enough to deal with real criminals in the first place, rather than feeding on the fat hog of the law-abiding American taxpayer, the need for army involvement would have never arisen.

How many stories do you read every week about women, people in wheelchairs, people with mental problems and other easy pray being tased by cops in comparison to gang members and drug dealers? Perhaps if the cops concentrated on going after the thugs rather than sinking their teeth into the fat, dumb and happy middle class American, then cities like Salinas wouldn’t be full of gang-banger scum.

The crucial part of the Post article is right at the end, when the trial balloon goes up for the U.S. military’s involvement in domestic law enforcement to be implemented nationwide in this context.
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Nov 18, 2009 1:40 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
“The $1 trillion invested so far in Iraq and Afghanistan could pay a dividend in American streets,” states the article, before quoting Leonard A. Ferrari, provost of the Naval Postgraduate School, who states, “The idea was, not just Salinas, but is there a national model for this?”

Why is one of the biggest newspapers in America, a Bilderberg-owned publication, pushing for the nationwide use of active duty U.S. military units in domestic law enforcement, specifically to combat a “counterinsurgency” amongst U.S. citizens? Is this another progression in the preparation for martial law in response to mass civil unrest, race riots, and even a future civil war?

Or is this merely another gradual blurring of the lines between the police and the military as an ailing banana republic begins to decline into a failed state bossed by a militarized dictatorship?
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Nov 18, 2009 1:58 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
jlw45: “The $1 trillion invested so far in Iraq and Afghanistan could pay a dividend in American streets,” states the article, before quoting Leonard A. Ferrari, provost of the Naval Postgraduate School, who states, “The idea was, not just Salinas, but is there a national model for this?”

Why is one of the biggest newspapers in America, a Bilderberg-owned publication, pushing for the nationwide use of active duty U.S. military units in domestic law enforcement, specifically to combat a “counterinsurgency” amongst U.S. citizens? Is this another progression in the preparation for martial law in response to mass civil unrest, race riots, and even a future civil war?

Or is this merely another gradual blurring of the lines between the police and the military as an ailing banana republic begins to decline into a failed state bossed by a militarized dictatorship?

Just a thought,but why do you say the newspaper is pushing this regime, surely the paper is doing just what it is supposed to do, reporting something so the general public can form their own opinion and react if required.
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Nov 18, 2009 2:00 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
rizlared: Just a thought,but why do you say the newspaper is pushing this regime, surely the paper is doing just what it is supposed to do, reporting something so the general public can form their own opinion and react if required.
ok....whatever you say....laugh doh laugh
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Nov 18, 2009 2:02 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
rizlared: Just a thought,but why do you say the newspaper is pushing this regime, surely the paper is doing just what it is supposed to do, reporting something so the general public can form their own opinion and react if required.
the papers and t.v. has pushed every agenda that has come down the pike...professor

sorry for being crass mumbling
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Nov 18, 2009 2:06 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
jlw45: the papers and t.v. has pushed every agenda that has come down the pike...

sorry for being crass

I wasn't complaining, just wondered why you thought they were pushing something rather than just reporting it, I guess we all interpret news reports in different wayshandshake
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Nov 18, 2009 2:27 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
rizlared: I wasn't complaining, just wondered why you thought they were pushing something rather than just reporting it, I guess we all interpret news reports in different ways
the reason news is viewed by me, and others, as "pushing" something is because they are...laugh

think about it...when is the last time you heard a journalist laying down some good INVESTIGATIVE reporting on what's going on with any given subject...giving facts?????....instead, they give their own opinions, and end the storys with their "educated"{presumed} conclusion...leaving the on-looker with the assumption that, that must be the way it is...journalism has become, more or less, entertainment to lead the masses where the powers that be want them led....
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Nov 18, 2009 2:39 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
rizlared
rizlaredrizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
jlw45: the reason news is viewed by me, and others, as "pushing" something is because they are...

think about it...when is the last time you heard a journalist laying down some good INVESTIGATIVE reporting on what's going on with any given subject...giving facts?????....instead, they give their own opinions, and end the storys with their "educated"{presumed} conclusion...leaving the on-looker with the assumption that, that must be the way it is...journalism has become, more or less, entertainment to lead the masses where the powers that be want them led....

I think you are possibly right, depending on which media source you're reading, in the UK the average paper would fall into the group you describe, but the broadsheets tend to be a bit more objective, and if you read more than one you end up with a more balanced view.
I am very out of touch with American papers now so guess I can't really comment on what their agenda really is.
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Nov 18, 2009 2:49 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
rizlared: I think you are possibly right, depending on which media source you're reading, in the UK the average paper would fall into the group you describe, but the broadsheets tend to be a bit more objective, and if you read more than one you end up with a more balanced view.
I am very out of touch with American papers now so guess I can't really comment on what their agenda really is.
i'm not speaking of objective or subjective...what i want is FACT...not someones opinion, who is a journalist working for some company that has a conflict of interrest, in most cases...and it's not even in what they tell {what storys are covered} but more importantly, what they DON'T tell us...weapons of mass destruction ring a bell ?...they story did'nt break until long after it was too late...and are we out of there?...nooo....everytime i see britney spears on the news {or some other "smokescreen"} it always makes me think, hmmm what's really going on.....
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Nov 18, 2009 3:13 AM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
jlw45
jlw45jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 Posts
jlw45: the reason news is viewed by me, and others, as "pushing" something is because they are...

think about it...when is the last time you heard a journalist laying down some good INVESTIGATIVE reporting on what's going on with any given subject...giving facts?????....instead, they give their own opinions, and end the storys with their "educated"{presumed} conclusion...leaving the on-looker with the assumption that, that must be the way it is...journalism has become, more or less, entertainment to lead the masses where the powers that be want them led....
another example is the 5 terrorist they are going to put on trail in NYC...the lead guy is reportedly, the master mind behind 9/11....but i thought osama was the master mind...confused dunno ....they "push" us in the direction they want us to go....
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Nov 18, 2009 6:23 PM CST ~~~hmmmm, could this be a comming police state....!!!!
norslyman
norslymannorslymanMinneapolis, Minnesota USA21 Threads 151 Posts
Yes, it's a commie police state.

What's happening in Iraq will soon happen here. Just imagine these stressed out, over-drugged, battle hardened troops on our streets. Your papers please, comrad.

Did you know one of the first things they did over there was make a law that the Iraqi's HAD to purchase GMO Monsatan seeds?
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