Perverse Narcissists (17)

Feb 28, 2010 2:17 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
Elley
ElleyElleyCadiz, Andalusia Spain131 Threads 1 Polls 2,808 Posts
Do they really set out to provoke their victimes to commit suicide,and if so why ?dancing
Feb 28, 2010 3:09 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Elley: Do they really set out to provoke their victimes to commit suicide,and if so why ?


What gave you the idea that that was what they did?
Mar 1, 2010 1:39 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
twinself
twinselftwinself..., Majjistral Malta36 Threads 1,347 Posts
GingerBe: What gave you the idea that that was what they did?


They do other things, but Elley was not far off the mark...
Mar 1, 2010 3:57 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
twinself: They do other things, but Elley was not far off the mark...


I studied this. I know what they do. I was just wondering if Elley was being facetious. It may well have been tongue-in-cheek knowing the things Elley sometimes says on here.peace
Mar 1, 2010 10:06 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Elley: Do they really set out to provoke their victimes to commit suicide,and if so why ?
Interesting. How does one provoke anyone to commit suicide? Gosh, if I`d known about this I could have saved all that money I paid lawyers for divorces.....grin drinking
Mar 1, 2010 12:00 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
Gingerb
could you please inform what you have learned out of your studies please::confused:
Mar 1, 2010 1:32 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
twinself
twinselftwinself..., Majjistral Malta36 Threads 1,347 Posts
GingerBe: I studied this. I know what they do. I was just wondering if Elley was being facetious. It may well have been tongue-in-cheek knowing the things Elley sometimes says on here.


I never followed Elley to a T...but, whilst a narcissist might not really *set out* to do anything intentionally, staying with them too long can make ANYONE suicidal! And, the worst thing is....they are NOT so easy to detect, especially at the beginning. dunno

Ginger if you have CLUES... we all would be grateful!! comfort
Mar 1, 2010 1:36 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
josingleinspain: Gingerb
could you please inform what you have learned out of your studies please::confused:


I took me several years to learn what I know, and would probably take as long again to tell you, but if you have something specific you want to know, then it is just as easy to google it, as to ask me.



Mar 1, 2010 1:42 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
twinself: I never followed Elley to a T...but, whilst a narcissist might not really *set out* to do anything intentionally, staying with them too long can make ANYONE suicidal! And, the worst thing is....they are NOT so easy to detect, especially at the beginning.

Ginger if you have CLUES... we all would be grateful!!


Truth is that it would be all too easy to describe symptoms on here na dhave peopel think that someone they know has this illness, when in fact, that may not be the case at all.

The links I have given are fairly reputable, ecpecailly the Mayo Clinic one as far as diagnosis is concerned, and you would have to meet about 7-9 of the criteria, plus other things, to be assessed as being narcissistic.

One of my foster kids was narcissistic but not in an extreme way. In his case it happened as a result of not being socialised properly in his first few years. She vastly over-indulged him. He will never be cured, as such, but has found a level where he can live with others and they with him.

Every case is quite different, with different combinations of symptoms and causes. peace
Mar 1, 2010 3:03 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
gussi
gussigussiVilters-Wangs, St Gallen Switzerland12 Threads 2 Polls 4,032 Posts
Elley: Do they really set out to provoke their victimes to commit suicide,and if so why ?


Elley you are not far off the mark they do other things as well, but suicide is one of the consequences of domestic violence.
Why do they do it, POWER and CONTROL to the point they dont know they are doing it.

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Mar 2, 2010 4:38 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
Elley
ElleyElleyCadiz, Andalusia Spain131 Threads 1 Polls 2,808 Posts
smoky: Interesting. How does one provoke anyone to commit suicide? Gosh, if I`d known about this I could have saved all that money I paid lawyers for divorces.....


Well I could relate to you all the tricks that were played on me,except it didn,t workrolling on the floor laughing Mind it did cause me a lot of emotional and psychological pain.wave
Mar 2, 2010 4:40 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
Elley
ElleyElleyCadiz, Andalusia Spain131 Threads 1 Polls 2,808 Posts
gussi: Elley you are not far off the mark they do other things as well, but suicide is one of the consequences of domestic violence.
Why do they do it, POWER and CONTROL to the point they dont know they are doing it.


Thanks Gussi.thumbs up

My belief is that yes they do it and they do it for exactly what Gussi says.I,ll go into more detail when I have more time.cheers
Mar 2, 2010 11:05 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
Elley
ElleyElleyCadiz, Andalusia Spain131 Threads 1 Polls 2,808 Posts
My bad mister P,maybe...I mentioned number 2 in brackets as it was apart from what I was saying re number 1, ok? With 2 there weren,t any tapes,more is the pity,or maybe not. See their will not believe the hardest evidence simply because they dont want to. Mum in law 2 was told I was off my head and recycled ex number 1,s lies as some sort of proof! Lesson learned,dont tell all to the new one.
Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM CST Perverse Narcissists
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixparis, Ile-de-France France89 Threads 23 Polls 2,325 Posts
gussi: Elley you are not far off the mark they do other things as well, but suicide is one of the consequences of domestic violence.
Why do they do it, POWER and CONTROL to the point they dont know they are doing it.


I don't buy that...DV abusers KNOW exactly what they are doing. They may try to make the victim believe (and others) that they don't KNOW what they are doing...It's just they are good liars and live in denial...
Mar 2, 2010 1:14 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Phoenix: I don't buy that...DV abusers KNOW exactly what they are doing. They may try to make the victim believe (and others) that they don't KNOW what they are doing...It's just they are good liars and live in denial...


You got that right Phoenix! They even get a perverse pleasure from doing it.thumbs up wine
Mar 2, 2010 1:20 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
Phoenix
PhoenixPhoenixparis, Ile-de-France France89 Threads 23 Polls 2,325 Posts
GingerBe: You got that right Phoenix! They even get a perverse pleasure from doing it.



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Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM CST Perverse Narcissists
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Phoenix: I got something right


You got a lot of wisdom.thumbs up hug bouquet
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