Dying In America ( Archived) (30)

Jul 12, 2010 1:35 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
I just want to inform a bit- there is real information on many sides of this issue that arent ever addressed before it is necessary, and only with emotion when the time comes-which can be regrettable.

while experience is invaluable there is so much to consider...

i have flirted with death and escaped a few times so far.
i work in death. people know so little about their options and run to hospitals when they are in fact very dangerous to a sick person. and can end their familys life financially.

this is 14 minutes of film- CBS 60 minutes gave it a good look;
at about the 8 minute mark it shifts gears.

all sides are covered- we are all older and know someone who has died. this is worth a watch

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Jul 12, 2010 1:52 PM CST Dying In America
Amity
AmityAmityDodging Daggers, Wiltshire, England UK49 Threads 6,217 Posts
Just watched it E and really is very informative thumbs up

Being from England obviously our system differs from yours but it still remains the same in a sense.
Thanks for posting hug
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Jul 12, 2010 2:08 PM CST Dying In America
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
One of the last sentences spoken in the video sums it up.

"Collectively as a culture we really have to acknowledge that we're mortal, get over it, and start looking at what a healthy, morally robust way for people to die looks like."
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Jul 12, 2010 2:44 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
im glad you watched it

thanks
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Jul 12, 2010 2:52 PM CST Dying In America
Amity
AmityAmityDodging Daggers, Wiltshire, England UK49 Threads 6,217 Posts
I think everyone should watch it actually.
Real eye opener...
thumbs up hug
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Jul 12, 2010 5:21 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
i think so too amity

its something we dont like to think about but with a bit of planning we will have our wishes met in the end
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Jul 12, 2010 5:26 PM CST Dying In America
davpk10
davpk10davpk10somewhere, New York USA23 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Just another example of the greedy medical field taking all they can get from who ever they can,sad really ......I will be ready you can bet on that...wink
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Jul 12, 2010 5:38 PM CST Dying In America
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Amity: Just watched it E and really is very informative

Being from England obviously our system differs from yours but it still remains the same in a sense.
Thanks for posting


I found the video very informative and frighteningly frank.

If you want to see the UK approach then Google, " Liverpool Pathway." Basically it focuses on comfort as opposed to longevity following diagnosis of terminal illness. It is understandably not without its critics who believe that anything except treatment of the illness as needed, is infact euthenasia.

Personally, I agree with the concept.conversing

Some people could find this disturbing. I have faced death myself and there was a time that I would not have been able to even think of this never mind read about it.
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Jul 12, 2010 11:11 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
goodnight cs
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Jul 12, 2010 11:24 PM CST Dying In America
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Godsgift: I found the video very informative and frighteningly frank.

If you want to see the UK approach then Google, " Liverpool Pathway." Basically it focuses on comfort as opposed to longevity following diagnosis of terminal illness. It is understandably not without its critics who believe that anything except treatment of the illness as needed, is infact euthenasia.

Personally, I agree with the concept.

Some people could find this disturbing. I have faced death myself and there was a time that I would not have been able to even think of this never mind read about it.


There is a big business there the long the people live sick the better for profit I would go for euthanasia too for myself.
conversing
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Jul 13, 2010 1:34 AM CST Dying In America
BoyracerBMW
BoyracerBMWBoyracerBMWBerlin, Germany48 Threads 7 Polls 635 Posts
That's the point, isn't it? Legal, controlled and voluntary euthanasia doesn't have a chance of becoming legal in the USA because big healthcare business would lose out. It's all about money.
I'm gonna die young just to spite them. frustrated

lifeisadream: There is a big business there the long the people live sick the better for profit I would go for euthanasia too for myself.
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Jul 13, 2010 2:39 AM CST Dying In America
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
gabrielle95: I have my papers in order since a long time. I refuse therapeutic relentlessness, I refuse to be saved in case of suicide, I want euthanasia in case of severe pain and incurable illness, I am a member of the "Right to die in dignity" association.
I donate my body (after my death!!) to a university for research and teaching.
My doctor, my family, many of my friends have a copy of this will.

But I hope I will die in my sleep!
And a long long way ahead in the future.......grin cheers

They can have what's left in my old carcass for science and the family know this bur aint happy ......JMO
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Jul 13, 2010 5:13 AM CST Dying In America
Raynew1959
Raynew1959Raynew1959Barrington, New Hampshire USA120 Threads 2 Polls 2,218 Posts
Dartmouth Hitchcock. Had my triple by-pass there.
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Jul 13, 2010 9:29 PM CST Dying In America
oldfoxyguy
oldfoxyguyoldfoxyguyLarnaca, Cyprus12 Threads 5 Polls 513 Posts
patmac: And a long long way ahead in the future.......

They can have what's left in my old carcass for science and the family know this bur aint happy ......JMO


They can have my old carcass as well. Not sure what good it will be unless they wonder how I lived so long. I have signed a "no heroic measures" right to die release statement. I will do my best to stay healthy but if things go sour I want the end to be certain. I have no fear of leaving this earth. It's just another phase of life.
AND, I have every reason to believe these last years will be the best ever, so, Three cheers for going for the gold. kiss yay
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Jul 13, 2010 10:24 PM CST Dying In America
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
I see problems with letting anyone other than the dying person or family making decisions on how a person's last days are lived and what attempts they decide to make to prolong death....dunno
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Jul 13, 2010 10:25 PM CST Dying In America
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
jvaski: I see problems with letting anyone other than the dying person or family making decisions on how a person's last days are lived and what attempts they decide to make to prolong death....


OOPs ...."prolong life " roll eyes
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Jul 13, 2010 11:16 PM CST Dying In America
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
I believe there is an organization called "The Hemlock Society." Now I think that they believe in assisted euthanasia. Oregon is one of the states in the U.S. that allows for assisted euthanasia.

I saw on TV a recent interview with Dr Jack Kevorkian. He is rather a reclusive individual and has some weird ideas on living, his profession and even growing up. Although people have demonized him, others who have lived or live in intractable daily pain welcomed his assistance to allow themselves to die with dignity and quickly, rather than to linger day in and day out.

It has got to be horrible to have your full mind about you and live in intractable daily pain and watch your body wither and fall apart on a daily basis till you see yourself as only a shell of the person you were. They feel themselves as a living, breathing corpse. No joy in living when the essence of who they were has been robbed from them. People in that situation live their daily life in physical and mental torture.

We might normally say no to assisted suicide but if we are ever in that intractable pain situation, we might consider it. No one can say no for sure until they have a different set of "shoes to walk in at a particular time in their lives."

BTW, last Aug when my cousin had a stroke and brain hemmorhage and was comatose and hooked up to all sorts of tubes and life support, I was the one who had to make the decision to let her "complete her journey." She stroked in Fla and was hooked up to life support before the docs found out I was the POA-HC. Sadly, they could not unhook her legally from life support, even though I asked them to. May have had something to do with the Terri Schiavo case. Anyway, I knew my cousin well enough that she would never ever want to live like that. She was so vibrant, beautiful and full of energy, laughter and life. As her organs shut down 4 days later and her blood pressure was falling, I told the doctor not to do anything to prolong the inevitable. She died by Day 4. It was the most difficult decision of my life and my conscience was clear every step of the way and still is. Fortunately, I did not need Kevorkian's expertise. It would have been worse had she been in a permanent coma state.

This is a very good topic and one that gives me pause to stop and think about life, love, happines, who we are, what makes us tick and what we want for end of life decisons and who to carry out our wishes. Something probably many of us are still hesitant to facesigh
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Jul 13, 2010 11:35 PM CST Dying In America
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
I had the pleasure of seeing my father out a few years ago.
At first my brother and I were contemplating slipping him something to send him off - becuase he had a paralyzing stroke.
But after two weeks he attempted to recover and began a new effort to eat and do therapy ......it makes me wonder if the entire decision should and need be made by the person dying.
Sometimes at the last moment they have a change of heart and wanna continue and recouperate .........
Shouldn't they have that choice entirely themselves ? dunno
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Jul 13, 2010 11:44 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
jvaski: I had the pleasure of seeing my father out a few years ago.
At first my brother and I were contemplating slipping him something to send him off - becuase he had a paralyzing stroke.
But after two weeks he attempted to recover and began a new effort to eat and do therapy ......it makes me wonder if the entire decision should and need be made by the person dying.
Sometimes at the last moment they have a change of heart and wanna continue and recouperate .........
Shouldn't they have that choice entirely themselves ?


sure but the point was
if we dont put paperwork down we will have no say
and what if we arent able to communicate?


thats all i was getting at
i thought if people watched the video- a few measly minutes,
it might motivate at least one to get their papers in order as we tend to avoid this subject and it was well illustrated therein and i definitely know from experience - if the machine begins to run it will be on automatic and choice is hard to institute then.
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Jul 13, 2010 11:48 PM CST Dying In America
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
it should also be mentioned unlike a will these papers cost nothing to draw up and file properly and you can amend them at any time. they neednt even be notarized but if youre in a car ACCIDENT
(they are called accidents because we didnt plan them)
you could be mangled or worse and not have much say in life determining decisions, measures or costs to your family- both emotional and financial.

americans by the thousands are bankrupt due to medical bills but much can be avoided by being pro active and when something happens having already role played it out and also we need to have decided. period. lest we allow doctors to frighten us and end up destitute and dead anyway.

its about being empowered and caring for our rights and our loved ones futures.
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