AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Seems everybody has their own definition with which to qualify terrorism from other actions such as military intervention and insurgent actions. What is the tried and true definition you use to define if an action is terrorism or something else?
To start off, this is the one I go by these days;
"Terrorism is an anxiety-inspiring method of repeated violent action, employed by (semi-)clandestine individual, group, or state actors, for idiosyncratic, criminal, or political reasons, whereby—in contrast to assassination—the direct targets of violence are not the main targets. The immediate human victims of violence are generally chosen randomly (targets of opportunity) or selectively (representative or symbolic targets) from a target population, and serve as message generators. Threat- and violence-based communication processes between terrorist (organization), (imperiled) victims, and main targets are use to manipulate the main target (audience(s), turning it into a target of terror, a target of demands, or a target of attention, depending on whether intimidation, coercion, or propaganda is primarily sought"
I use it as it has the core things I believe terrorism has pretty much most of the time - different tiers of victims, audience and targets (eg: random victims of initial violence, media, government), the type of action involved and the use of propaganda to elevate the action beyond it's proportions. This sets terrorism apart from most actions of a violent type in war as it's intent is to not create a military or territorial tactical victory but rather a round about campaign of pressure on a party or government that is not directly attacked.
As well, a military action's purpose is to destroy or occupy by force whereas terrorism's intent is to pressure a state by indirect means to acquiesce control so that a condition favorable to those enabling or committing the terrorism can take place.
Albertaghost: Seems everybody has their own definition with which to qualify terrorism from other actions such as military intervention and insurgent actions. What is the tried and true definition you use to define if an action is terrorism or something else?
To start off, this is the one I go by these days;
"Terrorism is an anxiety-inspiring method of repeated violent action, employed by (semi-)clandestine individual, group, or state actors, for idiosyncratic, criminal, or political reasons, whereby—in contrast to assassination—the direct targets of violence are not the main targets. The immediate human victims of violence are generally chosen randomly (targets of opportunity) or selectively (representative or symbolic targets) from a target population, and serve as message generators. Threat- and violence-based communication processes between terrorist (organization), (imperiled) victims, and main targets are use to manipulate the main target (audience(s), turning it into a target of terror, a target of demands, or a target of attention, depending on whether intimidation, coercion, or propaganda is primarily sought"
I use it as it has the core things I believe terrorism has pretty much most of the time - different tiers of victims, audience and targets (eg: random victims of initial violence, media, government), the type of action involved and the use of propaganda to elevate the action beyond it's proportions. This sets terrorism apart from most actions of a violent type in war as it's intent is to not create a military or territorial tactical victory but rather a round about campaign of pressure on a party or government that is not directly attacked.
As well, a military action's purpose is to destroy or occupy by force whereas terrorism's intent is to pressure a state by indirect means to acquiesce control so that a condition favorable to those enabling or committing the terrorism can take place.
"One man's Terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter".
Do u want a definition manufactured (after years of "objective" and "extensive" research of course) at the headquarters of CIA, MOSAD, RAW and MI6(or MI5?), or a definition by those "stupid' philanthropists?
AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
blarneykite: "One man's Terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter".
That is what or who a terrorist might be but what is the criteria you use to describe an act of terrorism and differentiate it from all other forms of violence?
blarneykite: "One man's Terrorist, is another man's freedom fighter".
When "your" terrorist blows up the school your children or grandchildren are attending, killing them and their classmates, which man's freedom fighter do you think your terrorist would have been?
Knowing that would be a pretty good thing because you wouldn't be able to hunt him down and kill him like the rabid animal that he is if you don't know who he is. Just sayin'. And it could be very difficult to identify the vicious, vile and inhuman piece of crap by figuring out what freedom he was striking a blow for by killing your innocent children and/or grandchildren with a random act of despicable inexcusable violence. You know?
Albertaghost: Seems everybody has their own definition with which to qualify terrorism from other actions such as military intervention and insurgent actions. What is the tried and true definition you use to define if an action is terrorism or something else?
To start off, this is the one I go by these days;
"Terrorism is an anxiety-inspiring method of repeated violent action, employed by (semi-)clandestine individual, group, or state actors, for idiosyncratic, criminal, or political reasons, whereby—in contrast to assassination—the direct targets of violence are not the main targets. The immediate human victims of violence are generally chosen randomly (targets of opportunity) or selectively (representative or symbolic targets) from a target population, and serve as message generators. Threat- and violence-based communication processes between terrorist (organization), (imperiled) victims, and main targets are use to manipulate the main target (audience(s), turning it into a target of terror, a target of demands, or a target of attention, depending on whether intimidation, coercion, or propaganda is primarily sought"
I use it as it has the core things I believe terrorism has pretty much most of the time - different tiers of victims, audience and targets (eg: random victims of initial violence, media, government), the type of action involved and the use of propaganda to elevate the action beyond it's proportions. This sets terrorism apart from most actions of a violent type in war as it's intent is to not create a military or territorial tactical victory but rather a round about campaign of pressure on a party or government that is not directly attacked.
As well, a military action's purpose is to destroy or occupy by force whereas terrorism's intent is to pressure a state by indirect means to acquiesce control so that a condition favorable to those enabling or committing the terrorism can take place.
AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
mnowsa: Do u want a definition manufactured (after years of "objective" and "extensive" research of course) at the headquarters of CIA, MOSAD, RAW and MI6(or MI5?), or a definition by those "stupid' philanthropists?
AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Grandepensees: Terrorism: The act of terrorizing!
I'm terrified when I get a bill in the mail but would hardly think the local power company is Al Qaeda or run by Bin Laden. Got anything more subject specific?
Albertaghost: I'm terrified when I get a bill in the mail but would hardly think the local power company is Al Qaeda or run by Bin Laden. Got anything more subject specific?
You scare easily, grasshopper
Terrorism, the act of terrorizing...What could be more subject specific?
Aaah, unless you want me to write 4000 characters back at you so you can disseminate, argue, contradict and insult me? Sorry, not today, friend.
AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
Grandepensees: You scare easily, grasshopper
Everybody has their own phobias and thresholds so, got anything more specific than 'the act of terrorizing?'
Grandepensees: Aaah, unless you want me to write 4000 characters back at you so you can disseminate, argue, contradict and insult me? Sorry, not today, friend.
I don't insult those who do not insult me so no worry. Just want to see what people are using to define terrorism is all.
Albertaghost: Just want to see what people are using to define terrorism is all.
Oh well, in that case
Personally, I use a dictionary and my senses. When I see people running and screaming for their lives, I tell myself 'they really look terrorized' and 'someone must be doing a good job of terrorizing them, they must be masters of terrorism.'
What do you tell yourself when you see that on TV?
gardenhackle: When "your" terrorist blows up the school your children or grandchildren are attending, killing them and their classmates, which man's freedom fighter do you think your terrorist would have been?
Knowing that would be a pretty good thing because you wouldn't be able to hunt him down and kill him like the rabid animal that he is if you don't know who he is. Just sayin'. And it could be very difficult to identify the vicious, vile and inhuman piece of crap by figuring out what freedom he was striking a blow for by killing your innocent children and/or grandchildren with a random act of despicable inexcusable violence. You know?
Yeah, but Nelson Mandela was considered a Terrorist and member of a terrorist organisation.
But, the wanten Murder of innocent people.. IE by the IRA, UVF UFF ETA ETC i would consider Terrorism. However some Iraqi guy placing an IED on the side of the road and killing soldiers, I wouldn't consider terrorism... rather the right to defend his own country
One thing bothers me Alberta,the U.S has its troops around the world on everyone elses soil and none of those countries have troops on American soil,it makes me wonder who is trying to control whom,and who is after resources...god help those who ever come to occupy Canada,you might take it but how could you hold it,and that would be the day I become a Gorillia:):):)
AlbertaghostOPCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
blarneykite: Yeah, but Nelson Mandela was considered a Terrorist and member of a terrorist organisation.
He was a member of a terrorist organization and as such, was a terrorist.
blarneykite: But, the wanten Murder of innocent people.. IE by the IRA, UVF UFF ETA ETC i would consider Terrorism.
As I do.
blarneykite: However some Iraqi guy placing an IED on the side of the road and killing soldiers, I wouldn't consider terrorism... rather the right to defend his own country
As I do as well even though the rationale for the action would be in many cases not in defense of country but rather to get the US out so his particular group would have the latitude to take over. In any case, it is still an act of insurgency as it is against a military target.
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To start off, this is the one I go by these days;
"Terrorism is an anxiety-inspiring method of repeated violent action, employed by (semi-)clandestine individual, group, or state actors, for idiosyncratic, criminal, or political reasons, whereby—in contrast to assassination—the direct targets of violence are not the main targets. The immediate human victims of violence are generally chosen randomly (targets of opportunity) or selectively (representative or symbolic targets) from a target population, and serve as message generators. Threat- and violence-based communication processes between terrorist (organization), (imperiled) victims, and main targets are use to manipulate the main target (audience(s), turning it into a target of terror, a target of demands, or a target of attention, depending on whether intimidation, coercion, or propaganda is primarily sought"
I use it as it has the core things I believe terrorism has pretty much most of the time - different tiers of victims, audience and targets (eg: random victims of initial violence, media, government), the type of action involved and the use of propaganda to elevate the action beyond it's proportions. This sets terrorism apart from most actions of a violent type in war as it's intent is to not create a military or territorial tactical victory but rather a round about campaign of pressure on a party or government that is not directly attacked.
As well, a military action's purpose is to destroy or occupy by force whereas terrorism's intent is to pressure a state by indirect means to acquiesce control so that a condition favorable to those enabling or committing the terrorism can take place.