Survival of the fittest (49)

Oct 15, 2010 11:53 AM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
I'm not sure if anybody has created such a thread... But here goes.

What would you do if one day you woke up and the economy in your country completely collapse and you didn't have access to money or transportation and food was limited.

How would cope with it and how would you survive a situation like that? Are you even ready for a situation like this?
Oct 15, 2010 12:20 PM CST Survival of the fittest
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
robsantiago15: I'm not sure if anybody has created such a thread... But here goes.

What would you do if one day you woke up and the economy in your country completely collapse and you didn't have access to money or transportation and food was limited.

How would cope with it and how would you survive a situation like that? Are you even ready for a situation like this?


I’ve survived the wild beginning of ’90-ties in Russia. Have witnessed the process from inside, so to say, and yes, the fittest has it easier.
Oct 15, 2010 12:26 PM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
With everything that going around the world is hard to predict how people would react and what would they do and the problem is that nobody or nothing that we learn on our daily life prepares for situations like these. I guess it will interesting to know what would people under circunstances like that.
Tulefel: I’ve survived the wild beginning of ’90-ties in Russia. Have witnessed the process from inside, so to say, and yes, the fittest has it easier.
Oct 15, 2010 12:35 PM CST Survival of the fittest
carenza
carenzacarenzanear the sea, South Holland Netherlands82 Threads 1 Polls 3,113 Posts
i think i would sit down the first few days...thinking about what to do....

and then get up and fix the problem.

or...
get to the supermarket like hell and get all I can cary.

good question.....it started me thinking
Oct 15, 2010 12:49 PM CST Survival of the fittest
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
carenza: i think i would sit down the first few days...thinking about what to do....

and then get up and fix the problem.

or...
get to the supermarket like hell and get all I can cary.

good question.....it started me thinking


Few days? After few days there’ll be empty everywhere – the fittest don’t hesitate.

laugh
Oct 15, 2010 12:54 PM CST Survival of the fittest
carenza
carenzacarenzanear the sea, South Holland Netherlands82 Threads 1 Polls 3,113 Posts
Tulefel: Few days? After few days there’ll be empty everywhere – the fittest don’t hesitate.


silly me....doh

i meant running instantly to the supermarket....1 sec after waking up...


sitting down for a few days was my first option...because this situation seems so unreal....i wouldn't know what to do...
Oct 15, 2010 12:56 PM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
I watch a video the day about the Argentinian Collapse and the events that took place. The situation got so bad that people would to the banks and they could not withdraw money. It got to the point where people people looting one another, but somewhere in the middle of the collapse some people took the matters into their own hands. They started bartering goods and services because money was not available and for those who had money or gold their money was no good during those moments. Another action that the people took in the absence of political leadership, they took control of the means of production. The people seized the companies and the machinery and started producing for the local economy (for the Argentinian economy). For this and other reasons Argentina was denied help from the international monetary fund. They where pretty much being black mailed by the IMF and they also demand austerity measures that would have cause much hunger and poverty for the population.

Should countries that are in trouble take similar actions as the Argentinians did or is the global economy too important to even consider this type of action?
Oct 16, 2010 4:16 AM CST Survival of the fittest
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Tulefel: Few days? After few days there’ll be empty everywhere – the fittest don’t hesitate.


Hope it would be summer, back to the forests I guess, plenty of food and shelter can be constructed for nothing. But no computers hmmmm.
Oct 16, 2010 5:46 AM CST Survival of the fittest
rytcharlie
rytcharlierytcharlieprovincia di Lodi, Lombardy Italy34 Threads 2 Polls 1,412 Posts
tomcatwarne: Hope it would be summer, back to the forests I guess, plenty of food and shelter can be constructed for nothing. But no computers hmmmm.


I think the same .. in the summer it would be relatively easy to survive in the forests picking fruit and catching things to eat .. the problem would be the winter months - I could maybe swim to Africa .. don a loincloth and become Tarzan-esque .. would just need a Jane-esque to join me .. dancing
Oct 16, 2010 11:25 AM CST Survival of the fittest
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
Survival of the fittest?

For surviving what do we need? (if Oxygen is not a problem)

Clean Water
Food
Shelter

tools (to bury the excess, to hunt...)
clothing (low temperatures)
shoes

How to cope with it will be the most important issue, so I would say the strongest minds would have a higher chance of surviving tnan the fittest.

coffee
Oct 16, 2010 12:28 PM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
lifeisadream: Survival of the fittest?

For surviving what do we need? (if Oxygen is not a problem)

Clean Water
Food
Shelter

tools (to bury the excess, to hunt...)
clothing (low temperatures)
shoes

How to cope with it will be the most important issue, so I would say the strongest minds would have a higher chance of surviving tnan the fittest.


Before I left the States to take a job in Europe there was this show on TV was called the Alaska Experience. It was survival type of show. A group people where drop in the wilderness and they had to find ways to survive and there were days that these people would go without eating. I took a lot energy that did not have to hunt, find food, and to even think. On top of that they had to deal with frigid weather of Alaska.

If you eat for weeks your ability for thinking rationally diminishes by the day because think consumes so much of a persons energy.
Oct 16, 2010 1:32 PM CST Survival of the fittest
ladyneda
ladynedaladynedaSmall city, Norfolk Island80 Posts
robsantiago15: I'm not sure if anybody has created such a thread... But here goes.

What would you do if one day you woke up and the economy in your country completely collapse and you didn't have access to money or transportation and food was limited.

How would cope with it and how would you survive a situation like that? Are you even ready for a situation like this?


Been there... done that...

I think that you cannot be ready for something like that unless you're very rich and have money in several foreign banks and houses in several 'neutral' countries. Everyone can lose everything in just a moment and it's a little scary when a person realises that security is an illusion.

Such experiences change you forever and not in a nice way. When something like that happens you step out from a civilized world and step into a wild world and if you want to survive, you have either to fight or to adapt to rough circumstances. You have to develop new skills - for surviving. smile

Anyway, it's a good opportunity to explore 'human nature'. smile You never know what a human is unless you see him in extreme situations...

Nowadays people take many things for granted and they shouldn't. smile But most people don't think about this type of possible problems until they happen and then it's usually too late.

Can you imagine someone who works at the computer (for example an IT job) and cannot imagine his life without it and - there's no electricity any more. Scary, isn't it? grin

Anyway, a human is a very adaptable animal. smile
Oct 16, 2010 1:48 PM CST Survival of the fittest
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
robsantiago15: Before I left the States to take a job in Europe there was this show on TV was called the Alaska Experience. It was survival type of show. A group people where drop in the wilderness and they had to find ways to survive and there were days that these people would go without eating. I took a lot energy that did not have to hunt, find food, and to even think. On top of that they had to deal with frigid weather of Alaska.

If you eat for weeks your ability for thinking rationally diminishes by the day because think consumes so much of a persons energy.


Quite right about energy but the way you use your energy is also important.

In that case people knew they were going to be left in the wildernes, they chose to go and they got mentally prepared for it but in an unexpected situation, the way we take things is the key to survive or not to have a break down.

The point is, both things are needed a strong mind and a strong body, that would be the best situation.

bouquet
Oct 16, 2010 2:19 PM CST Survival of the fittest
mediciani
medicianimedicianiNICOSIA, Nicosia Cyprus3 Threads 69 Posts
Our animal instincts would kick in and we would go into "survival mode". Each depending on their personality. Under crisis situations, humans show their true colours, don't they? If your child was crying because it was hungry and you had just managed to find a piece of bread from somewhere but your best friend just knocked at your door with an almost dying child in his/her hands, a child in a worse situation than yours, what would you do??? Supermarkets looted, ATMs and banks not operational, people guarding against being looted... What would you do, would you give the single piece of bread to your friend?

My logic says I would. Now! When my belly's full and the world is tranquil. I honestly cannot say how I would react though in THOSE circumstances... I would not like to think about it... teddybear
Oct 16, 2010 3:05 PM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
ladyneda: Been there... done that...

I think that you cannot be ready for something like that unless you're very rich and have money in several foreign banks and houses in several 'neutral' countries. Everyone can lose everything in just a moment and it's a little scary when a person realises that security is an illusion.

Such experiences change you forever and not in a nice way. When something like that happens you step out from a civilized world and step into a wild world and if you want to survive, you have either to fight or to adapt to rough circumstances. You have to develop new skills - for surviving.

Anyway, it's a good opportunity to explore 'human nature'. You never know what a human is unless you see him in extreme situations...

Nowadays people take many things for granted and they shouldn't. But most people don't think about this type of possible problems until they happen and then it's usually too late.

Can you imagine someone who works at the computer (for example an IT job) and cannot imagine his life without it and - there's no electricity any more. Scary, isn't it?

Anyway, a human is a very adaptable animal.
What can be so scary about working behind a computer or with electricity?laugh

Sometimes, I think that instead of having studied electrical engineering I should have studied mechanical engineering. Mechanical skills are more useful for survival.

Back then I wasn't thinking about future implications.
Oct 16, 2010 3:12 PM CST Survival of the fittest
robsantiago15
robsantiago15robsantiago15Lowell, Massachusetts USA11 Threads 713 Posts
mediciani: Our animal instincts would kick in and we would go into "survival mode". Each depending on their personality. Under crisis situations, humans show their true colours, don't they? If your child was crying because it was hungry and you had just managed to find a piece of bread from somewhere but your best friend just knocked at your door with an almost dying child in his/her hands, a child in a worse situation than yours, what would you do??? Supermarkets looted, ATMs and banks not operational, people guarding against being looted... What would you do, would you give the single piece of bread to your friend?

My logic says I would. Now! When my belly's full and the world is tranquil. I honestly cannot say how I would react though in THOSE circumstances... I would not like to think about it...
for one single person by him/herself to survive today would be very rough since we lack our grandparents practical survival skills.
Oct 16, 2010 5:28 PM CST Survival of the fittest
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
tomcatwarne: Hope it would be summer, back to the forests I guess, plenty of food and shelter can be constructed for nothing. But no computers hmmmm.


Oh, almost what happened to my grandmother and her two sons, one of them my father. The WWWII hit the USSR at summer, their home burnt – they lived in Petergof, 20 min by train to Leningrad – and all they were left with were summer clothes on their shoulders. So it got to be a simple shelter in the wild, and there were some fields with potatoes and carrots, later on they found a dead horse (plenty of food, isn’t it?), and as it was already a winter, and rumor has it that winter 41-42 was a very cold one, so horse meat held somehow fresh. Inconveniently the same cold destroyed vegetables, but one can’t have all at the same time. And no, there were no computers.
Oct 17, 2010 7:18 AM CST Survival of the fittest
ladyneda
ladynedaladynedaSmall city, Norfolk Island80 Posts
robsantiago15: What can be so scary about working behind a computer or with electricity?

Sometimes, I think that instead of having studied electrical engineering I should have studied mechanical engineering. Mechanical skills are more useful for survival.

Back then I wasn't thinking about future implications.


If you don't know anything about surviving and you rely on machines - one day you stay out of them - and you know nothing! I think it will happen to human race one day. We'll become completely unable to survive without technology and we'll know nothing about surviving on our own.

Btw, I kept an old telephone in my house that works even when the electricity is gone. That's a good idea for a start. smile
Oct 17, 2010 7:24 AM CST Survival of the fittest
mediciani
medicianimedicianiNICOSIA, Nicosia Cyprus3 Threads 69 Posts
I still maintain that our survival instincts will kick in and we will re-invent with whatever we find around us. After all, necessity is the mother of invention...lightbulb
Oct 17, 2010 9:39 AM CST Survival of the fittest
wedward
wedwardwedwardlinz, Upper Austria Austria680 Threads 7,252 Posts
robsantiago15: I'm not sure if anybody has created such a thread... But here goes.

What would you do if one day you woke up and the economy in your country completely collapse and you didn't have access to money or transportation and food was limited.

How would cope with it and how would you survive a situation like that? Are you even ready for a situation like this?
having suvived the aftermath of the ww2 we grew all our own food kept chickens rabbits pigs goats etc we only ever bought flour and sugar oh and tea popa even grew his own baccy so iwould get enough food if it was on the supermarket shelves to last on a controlled diet for 6 months and get all the veg seeds i could find, and start planting seeds or preparing the land for sowing and then after i had enough food for my family needs i would trade the rest for tea flour coffee etc plus i would have bought the animals that i need pigs goats chickens ,plus to start with rabbit is a good meat to eat and they breed quite quickly so for me it would not be a big problem but sad to say this is very likely to happen but if it does it will be world wide ,i did this type of thread some yrs ago older people who are fit would fare better than the young no computers handy tv it does have some advantagesprofessor cool
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