How old is to old? (59)
jovisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden84 Threads 22 Polls 709 PostsOK I agree, but what about old men? I have a friend who had two children with two different women at the age of 72-74. He is now 88 and goes every weekend to visit children on the other side of the country. I think that's to old to.
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jovisst: OK I agree, but what about old men? I have a friend who had two children with two different women at the age of 72-74. He is now 88 and goes every weekend to visit children on the other side of the country. I think that's to old to.
Men are fertile for much, much longer than women and it doesn't physically hurt a man to father a child at that age. I'm thinking more along the lines of the health of the mother/child being compromised and the long term picture.
However, it is much different for men then it is women because we actually have to carry the baby and give birth and recover. Pregnancy for me was hard enough at 24 and 32...I can't even imagine how it would be if I were 50+ years old.
Which I guess is why my uterus has retired and has now entered the bronze age!
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I was adopted as an infant by a couple who were in their mid fifties and although they were fantastic parents, I suffered the consequences in so many ways. Although I believe I'm a much stronger person because of it, I sure did miss having them around when I needed them later in life 
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2intrigued: I was adopted as an infant by a couple who were in their mid fifties and although they were fantastic parents, I suffered the consequences in so many ways. Although I believe I'm a much stronger person because of it, I sure did miss having them around when I needed them later in life
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2intrigued: I was adopted as an infant by a couple who were in their mid fifties and although they were fantastic parents, I suffered the consequences in so many ways. Although I believe I'm a much stronger person because of it, I sure did miss having them around when I needed them later in life
aww..
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lilmamma71: aww..
Thank you
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Anytime the natural Childbearing years are over it is too late!
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Conrad73: Anytime the natural Childbearing years are over it is too late!
I agree Conrad, totally and completely! Just because medical science can do something doesn't mean it should be done in all cases..
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lilmamma71: Men are fertile for much, much longer than women and it doesn't physically hurt a man to father a child at that age. I'm thinking more along the lines of the health of the mother/child being compromised and the long term picture.
However, it is much different for men then it is women because we actually have to carry the baby and give birth and recover. Pregnancy for me was hard enough at 24 and 32...I can't even imagine how it would be if I were 50+ years old.
Which I guess is why my uterus has retired and has now entered the bronze age!
However, it is much different for men then it is women because we actually have to carry the baby and give birth and recover. Pregnancy for me was hard enough at 24 and 32...I can't even imagine how it would be if I were 50+ years old.
Which I guess is why my uterus has retired and has now entered the bronze age!
What about the emotional damage it may do to the child of having lost his father at such a young age?
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lilmamma71: I agree Conrad, totally and completely! Just because medical science can do something doesn't mean it should be done in all cases..
I agree too....if mother nature says it's over then there's a good reason for it imo...
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2intrigued: I agree too....if mother nature says it's over then there's a good reason for it imo...
Can't say any fairer than that, But one snag the Ladies who for their own reasons put of having children until later is the fact that the chances of :
Miscarriage
Downs Syndrome
And the instances of a multitude of disabled kids are far greater in the older women.....Now I am am not saying the ladies are right or wrong. Because, I believe the ladies concerned have the right to choose, but, is it a choice they need to think a about seriously ...
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suggasugga: adopt
Yes, exactly Sugga! There are many children in the system that need desperately to be adopted and if I hadn't been able to have my own because of having many reproductive problems throughout my life, I'd have done just that.
Some women have their children physically and others find their family through adoption and the children are just as much loved and cherished if not more, because they were "chosen."
I've got adopted kids in my family and it's a wonderful experience and gives people the chance to have a much dreamed for family.
BWT..your new picture looks lovely!
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patmac: Can't say any fairer than that, But one snag the Ladies who for their own reasons put of having children until later is the fact that the chances of :
Miscarriage
Downs Syndrome
And the instances of a multitude of disabled kids are far greater in the older women.....Now I am am not saying the ladies are right or wrong. Because, I believe the ladies concerned have the right to choose, but, is it a choice they need to think a about seriously ...
Miscarriage
Downs Syndrome
And the instances of a multitude of disabled kids are far greater in the older women.....Now I am am not saying the ladies are right or wrong. Because, I believe the ladies concerned have the right to choose, but, is it a choice they need to think a about seriously ...
Yes, I´m in two minds about this question of older mothers... fathers too, for a number of reasons so I´m sitting on the fence for a while.
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I am sure that if a woman has reached 70 and has not been able to have children but has a strong maternal instinct, it may be tempting.
The one thing that clearly has not been considered in such an instance is the welfare of the child being of paramount importance here.... a selfish act, regardless of any other coherent thought process, me thinks?!
The one thing that clearly has not been considered in such an instance is the welfare of the child being of paramount importance here.... a selfish act, regardless of any other coherent thought process, me thinks?!
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JAN_is: Yes, I´m in two minds about this question of older mothers... fathers too, for a number of reasons so I´m sitting on the fence for a while.
In addition to my previous post, this woman has a husband presumably of a similar age, and they were both aware of what they were doing. Why are you only castigating the woman?
I find it curious and somewhat unfair that men who father children in their dotage are generally viewed in a positive light, yet women are not.
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JAN_is: In addition to my previous post, this woman has a husband presumably of a similar age, and they were both aware of what they were doing. Why are you only castigating the woman?
I find it curious and somewhat unfair that men who father children in their dotage are generally viewed in a positive light, yet women are not.
Both are involved of course, but with few exceptions it seems to be the women who are the instigators and drivers in the cases I have seen so far. However, there has been cases from the third world in the main of the husband trying to have the son he wanted for years ......Now that I reckon is wrong....As always JMO I find it curious and somewhat unfair that men who father children in their dotage are generally viewed in a positive light, yet women are not.
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JAN_is: In addition to my previous post, this woman has a husband presumably of a similar age, and they were both aware of what they were doing. Why are you only castigating the woman?
I find it curious and somewhat unfair that men who father children in their dotage are generally viewed in a positive light, yet women are not.
I find it curious and somewhat unfair that men who father children in their dotage are generally viewed in a positive light, yet women are not.
Jan_is..I'm not castigating the woman,I just posted the article as it was published. Both are equally responsible, but I think more of the blame lies on the doctors and clinics that impregnate these women.
However, if you had read my entire post, I was more about holding the fertility doctors accountable for allowing this woman to fall between the cracks and be inseminated because they are more in it for the money than they are worried about their oath of "doing no harm."
How can performing IVF on a woman of her advanced age or any woman about or around that age, be safe? That's what my main concern and posting was about.
I feel sorry for the child in these situations because 9 times out of 10 one or both parents die before the child reaches the age of majority or the child winds up being the caregiver for the elderly parents and never has the chance to enjoy their own childhood/life.
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lilmamma71: Jan_is..I'm not castigating the woman,I just posted the article as it was published. Both are equally responsible, but I think more of the blame lies on the doctors and clinics that impregnate these women.
However, if you had read my entire post, I was more about holding the fertility doctors accountable for allowing this woman to fall between the cracks and be inseminated because they are more in it for the money than they are worried about their oath of "doing no harm."
How can performing IVF on a woman of her advanced age or any woman about or around that age, be safe? That's what my main concern and posting was about.
I feel sorry for the child in these situations because 9 times out of 10 one or both parents die before the child reaches the age of majority or the child winds up being the caregiver for the elderly parents and never has the chance to enjoy their own childhood/life.
However, if you had read my entire post, I was more about holding the fertility doctors accountable for allowing this woman to fall between the cracks and be inseminated because they are more in it for the money than they are worried about their oath of "doing no harm."
How can performing IVF on a woman of her advanced age or any woman about or around that age, be safe? That's what my main concern and posting was about.
I feel sorry for the child in these situations because 9 times out of 10 one or both parents die before the child reaches the age of majority or the child winds up being the caregiver for the elderly parents and never has the chance to enjoy their own childhood/life.
Sorry, and yes I agree that doctors have a responsibilty which is why there is an age limit in fertility treatment as far as I´m aware. If a woman and her husband lie about this then the doctor cannot be held wholly responsible.
My ex husband lost his parents as a child within a year of each of their deaths, and many children suffer the loss of their parents at young ages. I just don´t think that is a good enough argument.
I´m playing devil´s advocate here by the way.
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JAN_is: Sorry, and yes I agree that doctors have a responsibilty which is why there is an age limit in fertility treatment as far as I´m aware. If a woman and her husband lie about this then the doctor cannot be held wholly responsible.
My ex husband lost his parents as a child within a year of each of their deaths, and many children suffer the loss of their parents at young ages. I just don´t think that is a good enough argument.
I´m playing devil´s advocate here by the way.
My ex husband lost his parents as a child within a year of each of their deaths, and many children suffer the loss of their parents at young ages. I just don´t think that is a good enough argument.
I´m playing devil´s advocate here by the way.
Oh that's okay, I understand, that's what a debate is all about and someone always has to play the advocate!
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