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Nov 30, 2010 6:03 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
StressFree
StressFreeStressFreesmall city, Kalmar Sweden176 Threads 16 Polls 8,986 Posts
Any thoughts on this? Anybody been following this?

Too much government? Or is this a safety measure to make sure our food is clean and safe to eat? I DON'T LIKE IT!


Mass media articles:











What people against it are saying:

"While this bill appears to be part of a solution to a core problem, it may only be addressing a symptom of what has become a much greater problem. Food manufacturing has become dominated by gigantic corporations. The center of control has been moved out of the localities which consume the products, responsibility for creating poor products becomes a P&L issue rather then one of social responsibility. Sound familiar... if not, I suggest you take a look at what happened to the banking system in the past 36 months. Let's be clear. These are not evil people, they have children, families, ambitions, fears etc. This issue comes not from calvinistic, innate human frailty, but from system that rewards dispassionate review of profitability and centralization of power and responsibility. The solution in my mind (and I could be wrong) is to decentralize and disaggregate, creating ownership at the local level. I will be more vigilant about keeping your food contaminant free if I live next door!"


"I'm very concerned that S.510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, imposes unfair and burdensome regulations on local food sources, which are very important to me. The Committee version of the bill does not address my concerns, and I urge the Senate to support the Tester Amendment to exclude small facilities and direct marketing farms from the most burdensome provisions of the bill."

"This bill does nothing to make us safer. It just grows government and increases the cost of food. It is also a payoff to the large genetically altered food companies. It also allows the FDA to create rules and regulations as they see fit according to the head of the FDA and the administration. This is an evil bill. Call your senator. "

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Look for an increase in price of our food, since the cost of following more stringent rules established by the FDA will be passed on to consumers."

"I hope this bill contained the amendment that exempts the small organic farmers from weighty fees and regulations designed to put them out of business. It's always been the huge factory farms that are the source of illness, not the "Mom and Pop" organic farmers who sell their wares at local tailgate markets."

"Read the fine print... it is now illegal to grow and sell your own food. Even lemonaid stands are now regulated by the government. Do you still call this a "free country"?"
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Nov 30, 2010 6:08 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
StressFree: Any thoughts on this? Anybody been following this?

Too much government? Or is this a safety measure to make sure our food is clean and safe to eat? I DON'T LIKE IT! Mass media articles:





people against it are saying:

"While this bill appears to be part of a solution to a core problem, it may only be addressing a symptom of what has become a much greater problem. Food manufacturing has become dominated by gigantic corporations. The center of control has been moved out of the localities which consume the products, responsibility for creating poor products becomes a P&L issue rather then one of social responsibility. Sound familiar... if not, I suggest you take a look at what happened to the banking system in the past 36 months. Let's be clear. These are not evil people, they have children, families, ambitions, fears etc. This issue comes not from calvinistic, innate human frailty, but from system that rewards dispassionate review of profitability and centralization of power and responsibility. The solution in my mind (and I could be wrong) is to decentralize and disaggregate, creating ownership at the local level. I will be more vigilant about keeping your food contaminant free if I live next door!""I'm very concerned that S.510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, imposes unfair and burdensome regulations on local food sources, which are very important to me. The Committee version of the bill does not address my concerns, and I urge the Senate to support the Tester Amendment to exclude small facilities and direct marketing farms from the most burdensome provisions of the bill."

"This bill does nothing to make us safer. It just grows government and increases the cost of food. It is also a payoff to the large genetically altered food companies. It also allows the FDA to create rules and regulations as they see fit according to the head of the FDA and the administration. This is an evil bill. Call your senator. "

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Look for an increase in price of our food, since the cost of following more stringent rules established by the FDA will be passed on to consumers."

"I hope this bill contained the amendment that exempts the small organic farmers from weighty fees and regulations designed to put them out of business. It's always been the huge factory farms that are the source of illness, not the "Mom and Pop" organic farmers who sell their wares at local tailgate markets."

"Read the fine print... it is now illegal to grow and sell your own food. Even lemonaid stands are now regulated by the government. Do you still call this a "free country"?"



Funny thing Stress, I thought of you when I saw it passed...To be quite honest, I'm not overly familiar with the bill so I really can't comment one way or the other....What is the basic gist of the bill?
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Nov 30, 2010 6:10 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
StressFree: Any thoughts on this? Anybody been following this?

Too much government? Or is this a safety measure to make sure our food is clean and safe to eat? I DON'T LIKE IT! Mass media articles:





people against it are saying:

"While this bill appears to be part of a solution to a core problem, it may only be addressing a symptom of what has become a much greater problem. Food manufacturing has become dominated by gigantic corporations. The center of control has been moved out of the localities which consume the products, responsibility for creating poor products becomes a P&L issue rather then one of social responsibility. Sound familiar... if not, I suggest you take a look at what happened to the banking system in the past 36 months. Let's be clear. These are not evil people, they have children, families, ambitions, fears etc. This issue comes not from calvinistic, innate human frailty, but from system that rewards dispassionate review of profitability and centralization of power and responsibility. The solution in my mind (and I could be wrong) is to decentralize and disaggregate, creating ownership at the local level. I will be more vigilant about keeping your food contaminant free if I live next door!""I'm very concerned that S.510, the FDA Food Safety Modernization Act, imposes unfair and burdensome regulations on local food sources, which are very important to me. The Committee version of the bill does not address my concerns, and I urge the Senate to support the Tester Amendment to exclude small facilities and direct marketing farms from the most burdensome provisions of the bill."

"This bill does nothing to make us safer. It just grows government and increases the cost of food. It is also a payoff to the large genetically altered food companies. It also allows the FDA to create rules and regulations as they see fit according to the head of the FDA and the administration. This is an evil bill. Call your senator. "

"If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny." ~Thomas Jefferson

"Look for an increase in price of our food, since the cost of following more stringent rules established by the FDA will be passed on to consumers."

"I hope this bill contained the amendment that exempts the small organic farmers from weighty fees and regulations designed to put them out of business. It's always been the huge factory farms that are the source of illness, not the "Mom and Pop" organic farmers who sell their wares at local tailgate markets."

"Read the fine print... it is now illegal to grow and sell your own food. Even lemonaid stands are now regulated by the government. Do you still call this a "free country"?"


Call me cynical. If a certain food company didn't donate to an elected President, think they would be more suseptible to a recall?

Similiar to the IRS being used as a political tool against political enemies.

Like all other legislation. Good intent, bad outcomes.
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Nov 30, 2010 6:12 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
JSuburbia: Funny thing Stress, I thought of you when I saw it passed...To be quite honest, I'm not overly familiar with the bill so I really can't comment one way or the other....What is the basic gist of the bill?



After a quick review of 2 of the links....I think it's a good bill...It increases the number of inspections, gives the FDA a little more power in recalls, I really don't see what the problem is to be honest...
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Nov 30, 2010 6:38 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
JSuburbia: After a quick review of 2 of the links....I think it's a good bill...It increases the number of inspections, gives the FDA a little more power in recalls, I really don't see what the problem is to be honest...


The FDA and the USDA, who both inspect food production and processing facilities, are unable, or unwilling to carry out inspection laws on the books prior to today. Case in point is the recent recall of eggs from Wright County Eggs and Hillandale Farms, both in Iowa and owned by Austin J. (Jack) and Peter DeCoster. In over 15 years, the facilities had not been inspected by state or federal agencies in spite of numerous complaints.
Think more laws will make any difference? Doubtful!
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Nov 30, 2010 6:40 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
toranoga: The FDA and the USDA, who both inspect food production and processing facilities, are unable, or unwilling to carry out inspection laws on the books prior to today. Case in point is the recent recall of eggs from Wright County Eggs and Hillandale Farms, both in Iowa and owned by Austin J. (Jack) and Peter DeCoster. In over 15 years, the facilities had not been inspected by state or federal agencies in spite of numerous complaints.
Think more laws will make any difference? Doubtful!




egg-actly !
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Nov 30, 2010 6:45 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
toranoga: The FDA and the USDA, who both inspect food production and processing facilities, are unable, or unwilling to carry out inspection laws on the books prior to today. Case in point is the recent recall of eggs from Wright County Eggs and Hillandale Farms, both in Iowa and owned by Austin J. (Jack) and Peter DeCoster. In over 15 years, the facilities had not been inspected by state or federal agencies in spite of numerous complaints.
Think more laws will make any difference? Doubtful!




Very true as well...As it is we have laws that not only overlap existing laws, but we have laws that blatantly contridict one another...
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Nov 30, 2010 6:45 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
It's really simple ...either the gov regulates food procesing ..or we rely on corporations to do it themselves.
Nobody like unnecessary regulation - but do you trust huge food manufacturers to what's best and safest for consumers ? dunno
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Nov 30, 2010 6:49 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
jvaski: It's really simple ...either the gov regulates food procesing ..or we rely on corporations to do it themselves.
Nobody like unnecessary regulation - but do you trust huge food manufacturers to what's best and safest for consumers ?


Obviously the government is not doing it either, so what difference does it make?doh
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Nov 30, 2010 7:36 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
JSuburbia
JSuburbiaJSuburbiaOrbisonia, Pennsylvania USA17 Threads 2,518 Posts
toranoga: Obviously the government is not doing it either, so what difference does it make?
thumbs up


that statement can go for numerous things as well that we have to deal with.
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Nov 30, 2010 8:08 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
jvaski: It's really simple ...either the gov regulates food procesing ..or we rely on corporations to do it themselves.
Nobody like unnecessary regulation - but do you trust huge food manufacturers to what's best and safest for consumers ?



NO! I DON'T trust the huge food manufacturers to do what's best and safest for consumers!!!

They are the ones putting their money in the pockets of federal officials via their lobbiest.

Can anyone say... M O N S A N T O ?????

It's like putting the Fox in charge of the hen house!


Besides, take a drive down hwy 101 thru Salinas, California. Notice all the produce farms? Lots of chemicals being sprayed on those beautiful veggies!

This time of year we get much of our produce out of Mexico, crossing U.S. boarders at McAllen, Tx., Nogales, Az. and Otay Mesa, Ca. Some grown at large farms in Yuma, AZ. The land is undernourished and full of chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Healthy fruits and veggies? I think NOT!

Local farmers, especially organic farmers, are more careful to grow healthier produce or animals for meat consumption. They specialize in this. This bill will put them out of business so corporations like Monsanto can continue to spread their poison which gives bodies cancer, keeping the pharmaceutical and medical associations very busy, getting your health care monies!

conversing It's a conspiracy...
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Nov 30, 2010 8:56 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
(NaturalNews) Senate Bill S 510 - the "Food Safety Modernization Act" - was passed by the U.S. Senate today (http://www.naturalnews.com/030576_F...). If signed into law, it would unleash a new era of FDA tyranny over farmers, food producers and even small family farms, many of which already exceed the "small farms exclusion" written into the bill.

Here's the list of US Senators who voted to approve final passage of S.510. Remember these names when the next election comes around:

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Additional commentary about the vote
Notably, there was not a single Democrat who opposed the bill. This bill was also supported by Food, Inc. authors Michael Pollan and Eric Schlosser, who have become the favored food commentators of the left. It's now clear why: In supporting this bill, they have aligned themselves against Constitutional freedoms and in favor of increased Big Government (FDA) authority over food, seeds and farmers.

Change.org also strongly supported S.510, although its online petition pitifully attracted only 1,662 signatures. The Libertarian groups who opposed the bill, in contrast, generated hundreds of thousands of emails and phone calls to U.S. Senate offices. These Libertarian-minded groups include NaturalNews, the Alliance for Natural Health (www.ANH-USA.org) and the Natural Solutions Foundation (www.HealthFreedomUSA.org), among others.

As you well know, I personally don't trust Democrats nor Republicans, but this fight over S.510 has shown yet again that, to the left, Big Government is always thought to be the solution, even if it means stripping away the Constitutional rights of Americans.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans will take away your rights and money as an excuse to take care of the rich people. Democrats, on the other hand, will take away your rights and money as an excuse to take care of everybody.

Remember: Republicans gave us the Patriot Act. And now Democrats have given us the Food Safety bill. Both laws are unconstitutional expansions of government power that the American people will come to regret.

crying HL
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Nov 30, 2010 9:00 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
HealthyLiving: (NaturalNews) Senate Bill S 510 - the "Food Safety Modernization Act" - was passed by the U.S. Senate today (http://www.naturalnews.com/030576_F...). If signed into law, it would unleash a new era of FDA tyranny over farmers, food producers and even small family farms, many of which already exceed the "small farms exclusion" written into the bill.

Here's the list of US Senators who voted to approve final passage of S.510. Remember these names when the next election comes around:

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Brown (R-MA)
Burr (R-NC)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Coons (D-DE)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kirk (R-IL)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Manchin (D-WV)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Additional commentary about the vote
Notably, there was not a single Democrat who opposed the bill. This bill was also supported by Food, Inc. authors Michael Pollan and Eric Schlosser, who have become the favored food commentators of the left. It's now clear why: In supporting this bill, they have aligned themselves against Constitutional freedoms and in favor of increased Big Government (FDA) authority over food, seeds and farmers.

Change.org also strongly supported S.510, although its online petition pitifully attracted only 1,662 signatures. The Libertarian groups who opposed the bill, in contrast, generated hundreds of thousands of emails and phone calls to U.S. Senate offices. These Libertarian-minded groups include NaturalNews, the Alliance for Natural Health (www.ANH-USA.org) and the Natural Solutions Foundation (www.HealthFreedomUSA.org), among others.

As you well know, I personally don't trust Democrats nor Republicans, but this fight over S.510 has shown yet again that, to the left, Big Government is always thought to be the solution, even if it means stripping away the Constitutional rights of Americans.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans will take away your rights and money as an excuse to take care of the rich people. Democrats, on the other hand, will take away your rights and money as an excuse to take care of everybody.

Remember: Republicans gave us the Patriot Act. And now Democrats have given us the Food Safety bill. Both laws are unconstitutional expansions of government power that the American people will come to regret.

HL


Lugar is being targeted for removal next election by conservative Republicans. I voted against the dumb S.O.B. last time. He's outlived his usefulness.
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Nov 30, 2010 9:08 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
HealthyLiving: They have ALL outlived their usefulness, if there ever was any.

My reps voted against it!

What will they do? Stop us from growing our own??? HL


One reason the Tea Party is taking "root". yay
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Nov 30, 2010 9:16 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
Healthy:
I live quite comfortably on an organic farm that grosses less than $50K a year, which is 10% of the exempted amount.
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Nov 30, 2010 9:18 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
(NaturalNews) The new Food Tyranny Act -- called the "Food Safety Modernization Act" in the U.S. Senate -- has been passed by the senate today. It would give the FDA vast new powers to criminalize and imprison farmers and food producers while doing absolutely nothing to address to real root of the food contamination problem: Factory animal farm operations (which are regulated under the USDA, not the FDA).

The bill passed 73 to 25, with Sen Tom Coburn (R-Oklahoma) emerging as the greatest "voice of reason" in the debate. His last-ditch amendment to reduce the scale of the bill was defeated this morning.

Notably, there wasn't a single Democrat who opposed the bill.

This bill, as originally written, would have outlawed most nutritional supplements through "harmonization" with European laws. It also would have authorized ten-year prison sentences for farmers selling raw milk to their neighbors. Both of those provisions were eventually stripped out of the bill thanks to some last-minute amendments, but it gives you an idea of the outright police state mentality of the original bill authors who attempted to put in place complete government control over food, gardens, raw milk and more.

To give you an idea of how clueless U.S. Senators are about food, the New York Times is reporting that when Senate staff members met to discuss this bill, they would eat Starburst candies and jellybeans. As the NYT reports, "In the midst of negotiations, the negotiators -- nearly all women -- took a field trip to a nearby food market so that a Republican staff member could teach the Democrats how to buy high-quality steaks."

So what we have here is a new food tyranny law that was essentially negotiated by a group of women who eat dead foods, animals products and candy.

No wonder they still don't get it. The contamination of lettuce and other fresh produce is caused by factory animals farms, not by produce farms. (E.coli can only thrive in the digestive tracts of animals, not plants.)

The "small farms" exclusion will soon be meaningless
The Tester Amendment of the bill did manage to exclude some smaller farmers from the more tyrannical provisions of the bill. As currently stated, this would exclude small farms that sell less than $500,000 worth of food and which sell most of their food locally.

However, Senators failed to consider what's going to happen when the Federal Reserve keeps printing counterfeit money, devaluing the dollar and causing massive food price inflation. A farm that right now produces merely $100,000 worth of food (which could be a small, two-person farm) will soon find itself producing $500,000 worth of food (or more) due to the rapidly falling value of the U.S. dollar.

This is how the Federal Reserve's money counterfeiting actions will further destroy America and place small family farms under the tyranny of the FDA.
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Nov 30, 2010 9:24 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
If the FR inflates the dollar to that extent, we are all screwed. So much for exemptions for those making under $250,000 per year. Just in case, I keep adding to my silver stash.
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Nov 30, 2010 10:10 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
This bill was originally known as HR 875 but it met very stiff opposition from the blogosphere, small family farms, farmers markets, backyard gardeners, even Michelle Obama flaunted the proposed bill by starting a garden on the white house grounds. It looks like many of the concerns have been addressed by exempting smallish operations from S-510.

Read all about the history of HR 875 here:

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Nov 30, 2010 10:21 PM CST Food Safety Bill passed
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
I remember Libs talking about the erosion of freedoms during the Bush years.


Ya ain't seen nuttin yet...moping
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Dec 1, 2010 12:24 AM CST Food Safety Bill passed
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
toranoga: Obviously the government is not doing it either, so what difference does it make?


Actually - you are right .......the government should be doing more and more careful inspections without expanding their dept and costing more money .....mumbling

But unfortunately - it's whipping a dead horse frustrated
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