gitmo and torture (409)
I always enjoy an anti-American thread. 
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emmaline: wrong, its an anti torture thread.
Ok,
Pope Fred
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Gitmo is everything what is not american
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emmaline: wrong, its an anti torture thread.
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emmaline: if you read through my posts, then you will see i have contributed to many human rights threads.
the question of validity of patriotism is that i believe torture to be unamerican
the question of validity of patriotism is that i believe torture to be unamerican
Yeah? Why don't you bounce a few to the top so we can see your endless diatribes on them? I've only ever seen you get really mouthy about anti-American and anti-conservative topics. I'll look at you in a different light if I see a whole bunch of activity from you on all those other "human rights" threads you say you were very active in.
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i think i'm gonna gitmo sick...
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I was hoping your next thread would be about the Dr. Hassad (sp?)
that killed 13 U.S. soldiers at Ft. Hood. How the government failed to stop him when they knew he was a radical Islamist.
The torture to the soldiers themselves was short lived. It's their families that are now living w/the torture.
Maybe that can be your next thread.
that killed 13 U.S. soldiers at Ft. Hood. How the government failed to stop him when they knew he was a radical Islamist.
The torture to the soldiers themselves was short lived. It's their families that are now living w/the torture.
Maybe that can be your next thread.
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jlw45: that's a good idea, fred...don't think she'll get it though...
The upside, the civilian cop that shot the SOB paralized him from the waist down.
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ChasingCars: Torture is wrong - end of, wherever it takes place. If a country signs the Geneva Convention and subscribes to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights it has no place torturing people - however it tries to side-step 'the rules' and whatever it renames the torture (water boarding etc) as.
If it then tries to occupy any moral high- ground, it will be seen for the hypocritical regime it is.
If it then tries to occupy any moral high- ground, it will be seen for the hypocritical regime it is.
The thing I don't get more than anything else is how a bunch of ultra-smug Europeans ever got the notion that the US wants to give the impression of holding the world's high ground? It seems to me that the Euro-liberal-elite are the ones trying like hell to claim sole ownership of all moral high ground.
As far as I'm concerned, you can have it. Hell, you can make it your motto if you want. "Socialist Europe - sole owners of all moral high ground".
So now that we got that out of the way, we're all good, right?
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emmaline: Many former Bush officials, FBI agents, prosecution and defense lawyers, interrogators, military physicians and former guards have been speaking out about violations they have witnessed. Most recently, Lawrence B. Wilkerson, former chief of staff to then secretary of state Colin Powell has publically stated on an online blog that many detainees "clearly had no connection to al-Qaida and the Taliban and were at the wrong place at the wrong time. Pakistani's turned many over for $5000 a head"8. Wilkerson also stated that U.S leadership had become aware of this very early on but to have admitted this would have "been a black mark on their leadership"9. Wilkerson did however state that there were two dozen people detained who needed to be incacerated in a maximum security prison, but admitted that they could not be tried "because we tortured them and didn't keep an evidence trail"
the case of Mohamed et. al. vs. Jeppeson Dataplan, Inc., a lawsuit against the flight company allegedly involved in the CIA's extrodinary rendition program, the Obama administration has made the decision to continue the use of the 'State Secrets Privilege'. This, in effect means that torture victims will continue to be unable to seek redress in American courts because according to Obama officials discussing detention and treatment may threaten national security11. According to the BBC, the CIA has also admitted to destroying 92 interview tapes after a 2005 ruling ordering the preservation of all evidence regarding the alleged treatment at Guantanamo Bay. The tapes are alleged to contain evidence of waterboarding, forced standing, and other abuses which would ammount to torture, cruel and unusual treatment or punnishment.
The U.S. Justice Department has announced that 38-year-old Aymen Saeed Batarfi, a Yemeni national will be released as soon as they can find a country to take him. Mr. Batarfi was first held at Bagram Air base before being transferred to Guantanamo in April 2002. The question of where to release Guantanamo detainees has caused much debate amongst the international community.
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui at the Bagram Air Base where he was held before being transferred to Guantanamo Bay. Another ex-Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg, has stated that he heard the screams of a woman when he was detained at Bagram who he was led to believe was his wife. They now believe that this was Dr Aafia Siddiqui who was allegedly kidnapped with her children in 2003 from Karachi.
lets see if we can talk about this subject and share information, without resorting to name calling.
everyone has differing opinions, and i would like to keep this thread ego free
thanks
the case of Mohamed et. al. vs. Jeppeson Dataplan, Inc., a lawsuit against the flight company allegedly involved in the CIA's extrodinary rendition program, the Obama administration has made the decision to continue the use of the 'State Secrets Privilege'. This, in effect means that torture victims will continue to be unable to seek redress in American courts because according to Obama officials discussing detention and treatment may threaten national security11. According to the BBC, the CIA has also admitted to destroying 92 interview tapes after a 2005 ruling ordering the preservation of all evidence regarding the alleged treatment at Guantanamo Bay. The tapes are alleged to contain evidence of waterboarding, forced standing, and other abuses which would ammount to torture, cruel and unusual treatment or punnishment.
The U.S. Justice Department has announced that 38-year-old Aymen Saeed Batarfi, a Yemeni national will be released as soon as they can find a country to take him. Mr. Batarfi was first held at Bagram Air base before being transferred to Guantanamo in April 2002. The question of where to release Guantanamo detainees has caused much debate amongst the international community.
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui at the Bagram Air Base where he was held before being transferred to Guantanamo Bay. Another ex-Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg, has stated that he heard the screams of a woman when he was detained at Bagram who he was led to believe was his wife. They now believe that this was Dr Aafia Siddiqui who was allegedly kidnapped with her children in 2003 from Karachi.
lets see if we can talk about this subject and share information, without resorting to name calling.
everyone has differing opinions, and i would like to keep this thread ego free
thanks
Aren’t you one of those that kept highjacking the thread (MIBARAK RESIGNED)
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ChasingCars: Torture is wrong - end of, wherever it takes place. If a country signs the Geneva Convention and subscribes to the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights it has no place torturing people - however it tries to side-step 'the rules' and whatever it renames the torture (water boarding etc) as.
If it then tries to occupy any moral high- ground, it will be seen for the hypocritical regime it is.
If it then tries to occupy any moral high- ground, it will be seen for the hypocritical regime it is.
I'm just curious, would flushing a Koran down the commode be torture? I'm being serious.
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gardenhackle: The thing I don't get more than anything else is how a bunch of ultra-smug Europeans ever got the notion that the US wants to give the impression of holding the world's high ground? It seems to me that the Euro-liberal-elite are the ones trying like hell to claim sole ownership of all moral high ground.
As far as I'm concerned, you can have it. Hell, you can make it your motto if you want. "Socialist Europe - sole owners of all moral high ground".
So now that we got that out of the way, we're all good, right?
As far as I'm concerned, you can have it. Hell, you can make it your motto if you want. "Socialist Europe - sole owners of all moral high ground".
So now that we got that out of the way, we're all good, right?
p.s. you can also bankroll all the relief and humanitarian operations in the world while you're at it. We're sick of paying the lion's share of all that, too. And you are welcome to pay for and host the United Nations, too. I think the next president could win in a landslide with the slogan, "Hey, Europe, dig into your own pockets. We QUIT".
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kidatheart: Can't see it being any different than me putting a Bible into the recycling bin.
Don't worry, I seperated the cover from the pages before I threw it in there.
Don't worry, I seperated the cover from the pages before I threw it in there.
And don't worry, Christians won't put out a Fatwah on you for doing that. Do that to a Koran and brag about it on youtube and see what happens.
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kidatheart: Can't see it being any different than me putting a Bible into the recycling bin.
Don't worry, I seperated the cover from the pages before I threw it in there.
Don't worry, I seperated the cover from the pages before I threw it in there.
Now the upside is a Koran won't flush down a commode. People love to think it will.
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gardenhackle: p.s. you can also bankroll all the relief and humanitarian operations in the world while you're at it. We're sick of paying the lion's share of all that, too. And you are welcome to pay for and host the United Nations, too. I think the next president could win in a landslide with the slogan, "Hey, Europe, dig into your own pockets. We QUIT".
Rand Paul maybe...He's looking better and better!
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kidatheart: One page at a time it will, too bad it's a rather tough grade of paper.
It would take a soldier 3 weeks to do a page at a time. We'd have to recruit more soldiers just for the Koran flushing project.
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Paul was at CPAC. Gave a great speech. I think it' son U-Tube.
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Have you ever noticed that when ever someone complains about a wrong the country is doing, someone always points to another that does it more . It's like when we where paying $ 4.00 a gallon for gas and someone always says " yes but there paying $ 6.00 in ( name any country ) ". That didn't stop draining my pocket any . . . . .
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Frankinstien: Have you ever noticed that when ever someone complains about a wrong the country is doing, someone always points to another that does it more . It's like when we where paying $ 4.00 a gallon for gas and someone always says " yes but there paying $ 6.00 in ( name any country ) ". That didn't stop draining my pocket any . . . . .
Might I suggest a bicycle?
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the case of Mohamed et. al. vs. Jeppeson Dataplan, Inc., a lawsuit against the flight company allegedly involved in the CIA's extrodinary rendition program, the Obama administration has made the decision to continue the use of the 'State Secrets Privilege'. This, in effect means that torture victims will continue to be unable to seek redress in American courts because according to Obama officials discussing detention and treatment may threaten national security11. According to the BBC, the CIA has also admitted to destroying 92 interview tapes after a 2005 ruling ordering the preservation of all evidence regarding the alleged treatment at Guantanamo Bay. The tapes are alleged to contain evidence of waterboarding, forced standing, and other abuses which would ammount to torture, cruel and unusual treatment or punnishment.
The U.S. Justice Department has announced that 38-year-old Aymen Saeed Batarfi, a Yemeni national will be released as soon as they can find a country to take him. Mr. Batarfi was first held at Bagram Air base before being transferred to Guantanamo in April 2002. The question of where to release Guantanamo detainees has caused much debate amongst the international community.
Binyam Mohamed has confirmed in an interview with Cageprisoners that he witnessed the detention of Pakistani neuroscientist, Dr Aafia Siddiqui at the Bagram Air Base where he was held before being transferred to Guantanamo Bay. Another ex-Guantanamo detainee, Moazzam Begg, has stated that he heard the screams of a woman when he was detained at Bagram who he was led to believe was his wife. They now believe that this was Dr Aafia Siddiqui who was allegedly kidnapped with her children in 2003 from Karachi.
lets see if we can talk about this subject and share information, without resorting to name calling.
everyone has differing opinions, and i would like to keep this thread ego free
thanks