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Apr 22, 2011 4:16 AM CST Why...
vyoleta
vyoletavyoletaArkaroola, South Australia Australia44 Threads 6 Polls 1,050 Posts
...do people believe in god in heaven?

Apart from all the theories explaining this phenomenon, sometimes it occurs to me that the main reason might be that they need love which they cannot find on Earth. confused
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Apr 22, 2011 4:29 AM CST Why...
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
vyoleta: ...do people believe in god in heaven?

Apart from all the theories explaining this phenomenon, sometimes it occurs to me that the main reason might be that they need love which they cannot find on Earth.


I think it's because they were indoctrinated as children.

wine
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Apr 22, 2011 4:32 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Dagosto: I think it's because they were indoctrinated as children.


I was brought up as an atheist and come to believe in God when I was over 30. How does your theory work in my example?
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Apr 22, 2011 4:33 AM CST Why...
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
revealer24: I was brought up as an atheist and come to believe in God when I was over 30. How does your theory work in my example?


When you grew up, you changed your mind for yourself. Same as me, different result.

wine
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Apr 22, 2011 4:34 AM CST Why...
DeusExMachina
DeusExMachinaDeusExMachinahaaltert, Oost Vlaanderen Belgium55 Threads 1 Polls 2,705 Posts
that is still no proof that god exist
revealer24: I was brought up as an atheist and come to believe in God when I was over 30. How does your theory work in my example?
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Apr 22, 2011 4:36 AM CST Why...
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
vyoleta: ...do people believe in god in heaven?

Apart from all the theories explaining this phenomenon, sometimes it occurs to me that the main reason might be that they need love which they cannot find on Earth.



For me it was because my parents did. It wasnt until I grew up and had a mind of my own that I stopped believing in stories.
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Apr 22, 2011 4:39 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
vyoleta: ...do people believe in god in heaven?

Apart from all the theories explaining this phenomenon, sometimes it occurs to me that the main reason might be that they need love which they cannot find on Earth.


This is a very simplistic reason. I believed in God because through my own research to understand the world around me, economy and history and nature I eventually concluded that God must exist.

I did not need love, as you say, but on the day I acknowledge the existence of God there was a very overwhelming joy that came upon me while at work, and when I got home my wife, who knew nothing about my conclusion and experience, reported the very same strong emotional experience.

I cannot explain it and don't even want to. And I was never one of those Pentecostal Christians who regularly claim miraculous experiences.
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Apr 22, 2011 4:40 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Glatlol: For me it was because my parents did. It wasnt until I grew up and had a mind of my own that I stopped believing in stories.


You stopped believing the fairy tales and you did well. I did also. But it didn't stop me to believe in God.
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Apr 22, 2011 4:45 AM CST Why...
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
revealer24: You stopped believing the fairy tales and you did well. I did also. But it didn't stop me to believe in God.



To me that is a contradiction as god is a fairytale. JMO
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Apr 22, 2011 4:46 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Glatlol: To me that is a contradiction as god is a fairytale. JMO


Well, if you are brave enough to state this, I ask for proof. The ball is back in your court.
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Apr 22, 2011 4:48 AM CST Why...
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
revealer24: I didn't meant to provide proof. God's existence can neither be proven, nor disproven.

However, if you want to wonder on something, look up and see the moon. It has always been showing the very same side towards us, never turning. One moon day is exactly equal with one moon year.

If all this came out of a big bang, you have a hard time to explain how this came to be.


Er, no. First, the "Big Bang" theory of the inception of the universe (as we now know it) has nothing to do with planetary satellites in any given system in any given galaxy. Second, the Moon does indeed rotate, and shows its "unseen" side to viewers on Earth, like you and me. But we can't actually see it because the Sun is out. (The "dark side," by the way, is actually only a "dark third.")

wine
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Apr 22, 2011 4:49 AM CST Why...
Glatlol
GlatlolGlatlolDublin, Ireland2 Threads 5,358 Posts
revealer24: Well, if you are brave enough to state this, I ask for proof. The ball is back in your court.




I dont have to prove anything. You stated your opinion I stated mine.I dont see it as being brave,just honest.
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Apr 22, 2011 4:55 AM CST Why...
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
If they cannot find love spiritually on Earth while alive,how possibly can find it when dead in Heave??.-
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Apr 22, 2011 4:59 AM CST Why...
vodla3
vodla3vodla3Rockhampton, Queensland Australia282 Posts
vyoleta: ...do people believe in god in heaven?

Apart from all the theories explaining this phenomenon, sometimes it occurs to me that the main reason might be that they need love which they cannot find on Earth.


The God created man,on his own image n the Man revenged the same way !professor
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Apr 22, 2011 5:00 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Dagosto: Er, no. First, the "Big Bang" theory of the inception of the universe (as we now know it) has nothing to do with planetary satellites in any given system in any given galaxy. Second, the Moon does indeed rotate, and shows its "unseen" side to viewers on Earth, like you and me. But we can't actually see it because the Sun is out. (The "dark side," by the way, is actually only a "dark third.")


I need to correct you. The moon does NEVER show the other side. There is only a little wobbling effect because of the elliptic path.

"The Moon is in synchronous rotation: it rotates about its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit the Earth. This results in it nearly always keeping the same face turned towards the Earth. The Moon used to rotate at a faster rate, but early in its history, its rotation slowed and became tidally locked in this orientation as a result of frictional effects associated with tidal deformations caused by the Earth. The side of the Moon that faces Earth is called the near side, and the opposite side the far side. The far side is often called the "dark side," but in fact, it is illuminated as often as the near side: once per lunar day, during the new Moon phase we observe on Earth when the near side is dark."



If the tidal deformations caused by the earth locked the moon into its current rotational pattern, we should see other moons in the solar system behaving similarly. However, there are no other moons with this characteristics.
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Apr 22, 2011 5:02 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Glatlol: I dont have to prove anything. You stated your opinion I stated mine.I dont see it as being brave,just honest.


But you cannot substantiate your opinion that God is a fairy tale. While I cannot prove there is a God, I can neither disprove Him. If I could disprove him then God would be a fairy tale. Fairy tales are those things we KNOW are not true.
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Apr 22, 2011 5:04 AM CST Why...
morgan5
morgan5morgan5chelmsford, Essex, England UK87 Threads 8,237 Posts
revealer24: Well, if you are brave enough to state this, I ask for proof. The ball is back in your court.
Can you prove there is a God? same thing really.
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Apr 22, 2011 5:05 AM CST Why...
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
revealer24: I need to correct you. The moon does NEVER show the other side. There is only a little wobbling effect because of the elliptic path.

"The Moon is in synchronous rotation: it rotates about its axis in about the same time it takes to orbit the Earth. This results in it nearly always keeping the same face turned towards the Earth. The Moon used to rotate at a faster rate, but early in its history, its rotation slowed and became tidally locked in this orientation as a result of frictional effects associated with tidal deformations caused by the Earth. The side of the Moon that faces Earth is called the near side, and the opposite side the far side. The far side is often called the "dark side," but in fact, it is illuminated as often as the near side: once per lunar day, during the new Moon phase we observe on Earth when the near side is dark."



If the tidal deformations caused by the earth locked the moon into its current rotational pattern, we should see other moons in the solar system behaving similarly. However, there are no other moons with this characteristics.


And the near side is dark...why? Because the "lit" side coincides with daylight. Like I said.

Took ya a few minutes to look that up, eh? So now explain what it could possibly have to do with the Big Bang, as you originally claimed.

wine
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Apr 22, 2011 5:05 AM CST Why...
morgan5
morgan5morgan5chelmsford, Essex, England UK87 Threads 8,237 Posts
revealer24: But you cannot substantiate your opinion that God is a fairy tale. While I cannot prove there is a God, I can neither disprove Him. If I could disprove him then God would be a fairy tale. Fairy tales are those things we KNOW are not true.
We all have the right to believe in what we choose to believe in.

Pity that just can't be accepted and respected by BOTH sides. jmo
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Apr 22, 2011 5:07 AM CST Why...
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
morgan5: Can you prove there is a God? same thing really.


You can neither prove, nor disprove the existence of God. So you CANNOT state God doesn't exist. I only state I BELIEVE He exists.
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