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Jun 24, 2011 9:54 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts


Could this be the final blow to the global economy ?

Should the big corporations and the rich be asked to pay more now since we all did with bail-outs earlier ?

Why can't we FIRE all of our government and hire a "real" business consultant to run the country's finances ? doh
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Jun 24, 2011 10:01 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
Sell off California now, let's face it, it's gonna break off and float away sooner or later .....
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Jun 24, 2011 10:04 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
RDM59: Sell off California now, let's face it, it's gonna break off and float away sooner or later .....



From what I was told along time ago that parts or part of California is near the San Andreas Fault and could easily go into the Pacific Ocean.
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Jun 24, 2011 10:40 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
jvaski: http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/forecasts_trends/archive/2011/05/24/debt-ceiling-battle-tax-hikes-or-spending-cuts.aspx

Could this be the final blow to the global economy ?

Should the big corporations and the rich be asked to pay more now since we all did with bail-outs earlier ?

Why can't we FIRE all of our government and hire a "real" business consultant to run the country's finances ?


I have to admit you saw the grid lock in government coming, Jaun. After the mid term. Both sides are using the debt ceiling for political reasons.

Heck....we should just print a new currency. Fold on the American dollar. Others have done it. We can call the plan....the Obama
monetary solution. We do so like to give him all the credit right now. grin laugh
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Jun 24, 2011 10:53 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Not seeing any clear-thinking for soultions here ! scold roll eyes
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Jun 24, 2011 11:21 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
jvaski: Not seeing any clear-thinking for soultions here !


CS forums were never for clear thinking, Juan. They are for slice and dice political arguements grin

OK you wish a solution. Here is one.

We force reduce in Iraq and Afghanistan. Leave enough for manning border bases that operate the sensors and ELINT operations on Iran. Much like the Canadian radar line of the cold war. It doesnot cost a lot. Reduces our foot print in the region.

Back here at home. We increase our energy production of the shale oil and Gulf oil for export. Become 100% energy independent. Forget the environment for a time. Others have. It still here today.It is not going anyplace. grin

We increase our production technologies. Here Obama just placed a new proposal out to aid manufacturing technologies with government funds. This even the REP can support. Might even get down to home construction methods and materials production that get your home construction materials cost down.

We focus on technologies that we have a natural economic edge on.Trying to compete more in the world market place with them.

We reinstall Constellation and Aries program. We fly to the Moon and elsewere. Leave the Russian and Chinese in our dust. We join the Euroepean in their new rocket plane. 2.5 hour flight from Paris to Toyko. Said to be flying by 2040. Maybe sooner If we get onboard. But this bird need bigger and longer runaways. Meaning new airport construction. Here I have local proposal in for this county to make one.

We solve the Mississippi River flooding problem. Here the Chinese have developed a mountian hydro method that drops water thru tunnels into turbine generators for alternative energy. I already submitted the proposal to DoE and Army Corp of Engineers to look at.

We take another look at high speed rail. Not for regional transportation but for cross country route. The airlines are leaving to many on the tarmac for to long. They need some national competition.

There is more. But so far no-one has said 'no' to either of my two proposals here. No-one has all the answers. But we all have some of the answers. We just needs to share them.
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Jun 24, 2011 11:36 AM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
ttom500: CS forums were never for clear thinking, Juan. They are for slice and dice political arguements

OK you wish a solution. Here is one.

We force reduce in Iraq and Afghanistan. Leave enough for manning border bases that operate the sensors and ELINT operations on Iran. Much like the Canadian radar line of the cold war. It doesnot cost a lot. Reduces our foot print in the region.

Back here at home. We increase our energy production of the shale oil and Gulf oil for export. Become 100% energy independent. Forget the environment for a time. Others have. It still here today.It is not going anyplace.

We increase our production technologies. Here Obama just placed a new proposal out to aid manufacturing technologies with government funds. This even the REP can support. Might even get down to home construction methods and materials production that get your home construction materials cost down.

We focus on technologies that we have a natural economic edge on.Trying to compete more in the world market place with them.

We reinstall Constellation and Aries program. We fly to the Moon and elsewere. Leave the Russian and Chinese in our dust. We join the Euroepean in their new rocket plane. 2.5 hour flight from Paris to Toyko. Said to be flying by 2040. Maybe sooner If we get onboard. But this bird need bigger and longer runaways. Meaning new airport construction. Here I have local proposal in for this county to make one.

We solve the Mississippi River flooding problem. Here the Chinese have developed a mountian hydro method that drops water thru tunnels into turbine generators for alternative energy. I already submitted the proposal to DoE and Army Corp of Engineers to look at.

We take another look at high speed rail. Not for regional transportation but for cross country route. The airlines are leaving to many on the tarmac for to long. They need some national competition.

There is more. But so far no-one has said 'no' to either of my two proposals here. No-one has all the answers. But we all have some of the answers. We just needs to share them.


I think everyone is on board with reducing the war efforts and bringing our boys back home. And probably most would be fine with becoming energy independent - if it truly was combined with a serious effort to pursue cleaner renewable energy at the same time. The problem with that is so many turn their heads to the fact that we can't continue on with blowing-off ecology efforts.

Flying to the moon seems rediculous when we have so much that needs to be done right here. The government could put millions to work immediately to begin rebuilding our infrastructure that we already have .....our roads and transportation are in shambles. ( so yes, also pursue high speed rail and put people to work )
Putting people back to work is absolutely the first priority we need to pursue !!!
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Jun 24, 2011 4:11 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
hotburninluv
hotburninluvhotburninluvPalm Desert, California USA30 Threads 1 Polls 297 Posts
Why can't we FIRE all of our government and hire a "real" business consultant to run the country's finances ?

EXACTLY! How do you like that, you feel even a politician (like the Immaculate one, Obama), who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, can't be expected to run the country's finances! The more things change, the more they remain the same!

applause applause
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Jun 24, 2011 4:30 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
jvaski: I think everyone is on board with reducing the war efforts and bringing our boys back home. And probably most would be fine with becoming energy independent - if it truly was combined with a serious effort to pursue cleaner renewable energy at the same time. The problem with that is so many turn their heads to the fact that we can't continue on with blowing-off ecology efforts.

Flying to the moon seems rediculous when we have so much that needs to be done right here. The government could put millions to work immediately to begin rebuilding our infrastructure that we already have .....our roads and transportation are in shambles. ( so yes, also pursue high speed rail and put people to work )
Putting people back to work is absolutely the first priority we need to pursue !!!


The Aries/Constellation program was $97b over a 11 years years. Employed nearly 200,000 during that period. Actually it was two launch vehicles....a manned capsule system and a heavy lift vehicle.

Now you have a foreign contractor (from Australia) coming in to provide a new heavy lift vehicle...but not a manned capsule system.

NASA could add the manned capsule system (Aries) for a fraction of the $97b.

The moon is now important because of the water that has been found on it. Who ever gets there and controls the water, controls
future deep space flight operations from the 1/6th gravity lunar surface.

It is not just the Moon.....it is manned deep space operations from the moon. Consider the lunar surface a jump off point for missions ala Star Trek in the distance future.

But.....I have a gut feeling that I am dead on with the assessment that the White House killed future lunar operations because of the Islam thingee. So it could cost a buck to do and the White House would still say no.
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Jun 24, 2011 4:32 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
hotburninluv: Why can't we FIRE all of our government and hire a "real" business consultant to run the country's finances ?

EXACTLY! How do you like that, you feel even a politician (like the Immaculate one, Obama), who speaks out of both sides of his mouth, can't be expected to run the country's finances! The more things change, the more they remain the same!


professor You mean like Donald Trump?grin
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Jun 24, 2011 4:38 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
I have a solution, print your own currency, linked to a gold standard and not limit your currency to that provided by a group of private bankers.

In short get rid of the Federal Reserve.

There;s no reason the American state cant print it's own currency.

Who was it that said "Give me the means to control a countries money supply, I care not who make it's Laws".

Pop Quiz : Which international banker said that?..........

Why on earth the system was changed in 1913 i have no idea, but it wasn't for the good of the American people.
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Jun 24, 2011 4:43 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
The properties then in the newlly formed islands of the coast of California will worth a forune.-
RDM59: Sell off California now, let's face it, it's gonna break off and float away sooner or later .....
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Jun 24, 2011 6:55 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
chris27292729: The properties then in the newlly formed islands of the coast of California will worth a forune.-


No they won't. Democrats will have such high property tax rates that no one would buy them. Better off drilling for oil. yay
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Jun 26, 2011 1:41 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
jvaski:
Why can't we FIRE all of our government and hire a "real" business consultant to run the country's finances ?


Because the government is the only one empowered to do the hiring and firing, and they are not about to fire themselves and bring in somebody to correct the corruption they worked so hard to set up.
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Jun 26, 2011 2:14 PM CST USA talks fail over Debt Ceiling !
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
jvaski: That's because we have all the money ....and others won't be able to afford anything but a trailer in a park when we get done with our program .......


Wow, an honest democrat!
Don't see many of those nowadays.

Of course, you don't see many honest republicans either.
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