Riots in England ( Archived) (92)

Aug 10, 2011 12:04 AM CST Riots in England
chococherrie
chococherriechococherrieSomewhere over the Rainbow, Indonesia71 Threads 5 Polls 5,647 Posts
Aug 10, 2011 12:49 AM CST Riots in England
Ur_Knight
Ur_KnightUr_KnightWindsor, Ontario Canada10 Threads 2,176 Posts
chococherrie: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/us-britain-riots-insurance-idUSTRE7781FA20110810
shocking


absolutely... so much worse than the Vancouver riots after the Stanley Cup finals. Everyone here in Canada were totally shocked that *we* could actually have a riot here.

I read in your link were the police themselves are liable for the costs of the riots... that's going to hurt them enormously
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Aug 10, 2011 1:00 AM CST Riots in England
Lerie2010
Lerie2010Lerie2010Wellington, New Zealand869 Posts
Ur_Knight: absolutely... so much worse than the Vancouver riots after the Stanley Cup finals. Everyone here in Canada were totally shocked that *we* could actually have a riot here.

I read in your link were the police themselves are liable for the costs of the riots... that's going to hurt them enormously


It doesn't matter which budget the cost comes out of ... it all comes from taxation ... and that doesn't affect the rioters ... they are the jobless, hopeless, disenfranchised youth who feel no connection to community or society in general ... huge cut-backs in public spending, to cover the cost of bailing out the banks, have led to less help for those jobless young people. As always the rich get richer and the poor working class will pay the bills and try to clean up the mess.
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Aug 10, 2011 1:15 AM CST Riots in England
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
chococherrie: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/10/us-britain-riots-insurance-idUSTRE7781FA20110810
shocking


my daughter has been living and studying in London since May. I am so scared so I have bought air ticket and I am leaving to London tomorrow evening. Her news yesterday evening sounded disconcertly...
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Aug 10, 2011 1:18 AM CST Riots in England
Ur_Knight
Ur_KnightUr_KnightWindsor, Ontario Canada10 Threads 2,176 Posts
Aswina: my daughter has been living and studying in London since May. I am so scared so I have bought air ticket and I am leaving to London tomorrow evening. Her news yesterday evening sounded disconcertly...


oh geez... can't imagine the concern you must be having

Good Luck and Thoughts and Prayers with you and your daughter thumbs up
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Aug 10, 2011 1:20 AM CST Riots in England
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
Ur_Knight: oh geez... can't imagine the concern you must be having

Good Luck and Thoughts and Prayers with you and your daughter


teddybear
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Aug 10, 2011 1:27 AM CST Riots in England
Lerie2010
Lerie2010Lerie2010Wellington, New Zealand869 Posts
I have my daughter working in central London and thank goodness her partner, who is a big hunk of a man, is there with her .. he went to collect her from work yesterday to make sure she got home safely. I am heartbroken to see what is happening to the land of my birth, I have felt the tension there on every visit for over ten years and it feels as there is a pent up anger underlying all of society.

Politics will never solve the problems because they are far more deep rooted than mere politics ... it is a sense of having no real control over your future, the pensioners have lost their hard earned money in the collapse of banks and building societies and the young married couples can only exist on credit and are up to their ears in debt. The young people, even those with qualifications, are jobless and see no hope for their future.

You talk to the young and old alike and they all feel the same ... they feel like they are having their lives controlled by faceless men who sit on the boards of multinational companies and who play with the economies of whole countries in order to benefit themselves ... these kids watch all the conspiracy theory programs and know that something is going on and they are just pawns in the game.
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Aug 10, 2011 2:10 AM CST Riots in England
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Lerie2010: I have my daughter working in central London and thank goodness her partner, who is a big hunk of a man, is there with her .. he went to collect her from work yesterday to make sure she got home safely. I am heartbroken to see what is happening to the land of my birth, I have felt the tension there on every visit for over ten years and it feels as there is a pent up anger underlying all of society.

Politics will never solve the problems because they are far more deep rooted than mere politics ... it is a sense of having no real control over your future, the pensioners have lost their hard earned money in the collapse of banks and building societies and the young married couples can only exist on credit and are up to their ears in debt. The young people, even those with qualifications, are jobless and see no hope for their future.

You talk to the young and old alike and they all feel the same ... they feel like they are having their lives controlled by faceless men who sit on the boards of multinational companies and who play with the economies of whole countries in order to benefit themselves ... these kids watch all the conspiracy theory programs and know that something is going on and they are just pawns in the game.


I've heard this sort of comment a lot over the last few days, but I fail to see how rioting, the destruction of property and looting will help to effect change. There only hurting the livelihoods of those in a similar situation while jeopardising the safety of innocents.
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Aug 10, 2011 2:11 AM CST Riots in England
Class5
Class5Class5Skankytown, Queensland Australia4 Threads 1,010 Posts
Class5: I've heard this sort of comment a lot over the last few days, but I fail to see how rioting, the destruction of property and looting will help to effect change. They're only hurting the livelihoods of those in a similar situation while jeopardising the safety of innocents.


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Aug 10, 2011 2:13 AM CST Riots in England
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
Class5: I've heard this sort of comment a lot over the last few days, but I fail to see how rioting, the destruction of property and looting will help to effect change. There only hurting the livelihoods of those in a similar situation while jeopardising the safety of innocents.


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Aug 10, 2011 2:30 AM CST Riots in England
arapaho
arapahoarapahobrisbane, Queensland Australia3 Threads 678 Posts
past being any kind of protest,
just looting and thuggery, so they burn all there shops etc
and more people out of work in there own area,

i might be out of line to some here but its a mindless rampage so

get tough and send in the troops if its needed,
never heard of rubber bullits,
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Aug 10, 2011 2:36 AM CST Riots in England
Lerie2010
Lerie2010Lerie2010Wellington, New Zealand869 Posts
I agree ... but they obviously have never formulated any real political agenda .. and I doubt they would even understand the concept ... they are alienated from society and feel no connection to those around them ... they act only out of anger, resentment and feelings that they don't understand let alone know how to express ...

I think there is a very big elephant in the room and I have yet to hear any politician address it

The bottom line is this :

There are and always have been people who will never have the intelligence to be able to take advantage of tertiary education. They are no less valuable and deserve the same respect as everyone else .. it is only by the luck of genetics that some people are more intelligent than others.

In the past when we needed those people to do manual labour and jobs were plentiful there was no problem. Now we have more automation, manufacturing has moved to countries where labour is cheaper and in Britain there has been an influx of labour from the poorer countries of the EEC.

There is no work available for these people and they are treated with no respect.

This isn't just a problem in Britain it is a problem in all industrial nations who have lost the jobs in manufacturing ... free trade and no tariffs sounded so fair but it has destroyed the manufacturing base and led to a lot of unemployment ...

I'm not highly educated and these are just my personal observations and I have no answers ... but I do think the fundamental problems are the ones that need to be addressed by politicians and there will need to be a big change in the financial and monetary system of the world in the very near future.

We need to start to manufacture within our own areas and buy food that is locally available ... the price of shipping goods around the world in both monetary and environmental costs is not sustainable.

I could go on but I had better leave it at that for now ...
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Aug 10, 2011 2:47 AM CST Riots in England
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Lerie2010: I agree ... but they obviously have never formulated any real political agenda .. and I doubt they would even understand the concept ... they are alienated from society and feel no connection to those around them ... they act only out of anger, resentment and feelings that they don't understand let alone know how to express ...

I think there is a very big elephant in the room and I have yet to hear any politician address it

The bottom line is this :

There are and always have been people who will never have the intelligence to be able to take advantage of tertiary education. They are no less valuable and deserve the same respect as everyone else .. it is only by the luck of genetics that some people are more intelligent than others.

In the past when we needed those people to do manual labour and jobs were plentiful there was no problem. Now we have more automation, manufacturing has moved to countries where labour is cheaper and in Britain there has been an influx of labour from the poorer countries of the EEC.

There is no work available for these people and they are treated with no respect.

This isn't just a problem in Britain it is a problem in all industrial nations who have lost the jobs in manufacturing ... free trade and no tariffs sounded so fair but it has destroyed the manufacturing base and led to a lot of unemployment ...

I'm not highly educated and these are just my personal observations and I have no answers ... but I do think the fundamental problems are the ones that need to be addressed by politicians and there will need to be a big change in the financial and monetary system of the world in the very near future.

We need to start to manufacture within our own areas and buy food that is locally available ... the price of shipping goods around the world in both monetary and environmental costs is not sustainable.

I could go on but I had better leave it at that for now ...




I don't support the rioting, but your assessment of the people involved id entirely wrong, they are not unintelligent, and seem to be outwitting the police again and again. They are motivated and directed.
This is why urgent and more effective action must be taken.

Don't for a minute think that these riots aren't co-ordinated.

I hope everyone who is in these areas and everyone who is going to these areas, are safe.
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Aug 10, 2011 2:51 AM CST Riots in England
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
tomcatwarne: I don't support the rioting, but your assessment of the people involved id entirely wrong, they are not unintelligent, and seem to be outwitting the police again and again. They are motivated and directed.
This is why urgent and more effective action must be taken.

Don't for a minute think that these riots aren't co-ordinated.

I hope everyone who is in these areas and everyone who is going to these areas, are safe.

I agree with you Tom and I hope we all will be safe.
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Aug 10, 2011 2:53 AM CST Riots in England
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Aswina: I agree with you Tom and I hope we all will be safe.



My prayers go with you and your daughter A.
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Aug 10, 2011 3:00 AM CST Riots in England
Lerie2010
Lerie2010Lerie2010Wellington, New Zealand869 Posts
tomcatwarne: I don't support the rioting, but your assessment of the people involved id entirely wrong, they are not unintelligent, and seem to be outwitting the police again and again. They are motivated and directed.
This is why urgent and more effective action must be taken.

Don't for a minute think that these riots aren't co-ordinated.

I hope everyone who is in these areas and everyone who is going to these areas, are safe.



they can use mobile phones and have a lot of natural cunning and maybe they are not totally thick .. but they are not outwitting the police ... the police do not have the numbers to deal with them ... they need to bring in the army ... those that aren't off fighting an illegal war with out of date equipment ... the police are forming cordons around the Olympic facilities to keep them safe ... sod peoples homes and businesses ... just keep the Olympic infrastructure intact ... I get a lot of information from friends who are in the middle of this mess .. my daughter is in the middle of it all and so are her friends and my older friends in London are posting on facebook and telling me what is going on ... I have friends and family all over the UK and I know it is likely to kick off in every major city and town if it is not stopped soon ...
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Aug 10, 2011 3:20 AM CST Riots in England
yubba
yubbayubbaCaspe, Aragon Spain11 Threads 1,962 Posts
Far be it from me being rascist, but......................look at the majority of the people involved!
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Aug 10, 2011 3:23 AM CST Riots in England
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
yubba: Far be it from me being rascist, but......................look at the majority of the people involved!



Including the policeman posted at the door of 10 Downing Street!laugh London is a very multicultural city but I can see why you would think that way.
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Aug 10, 2011 3:53 AM CST Riots in England
Lerie2010
Lerie2010Lerie2010Wellington, New Zealand869 Posts
tomcatwarne: Anyone who is following the newscasts can see for themselves the majority of people involved, I see you went to New Zealand so I can understand your criticism of the UK.


The move to NZ was prompted by the Chernobyl disaster and the UK government's handling of information to the general public ... they lied to us and told us we were getting no nuclear fall-out ... my sister in law was a secretary for a very large agricultural estate in East Anglia and phoned me to tell me that they were being told to dump all the vegetables and milk ... why ?? I lived in an area where my water supply was groundwater from East Anglia ... was someone protecting that ?? No I wanted to bring my children to a country with the same values I hold ... a nuclear free country ... even though it cost NZ much in the way of trade sanctions by the USA to punish NZ for not allowing their nuclear powered ships into NZ waters and harbours. ... NZ isn't perfect but it's a damned sight fairer and more egalitarian than Britain...
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Aug 10, 2011 3:58 AM CST Riots in England
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Lerie2010: The move to NZ was prompted by the Chernobyl disaster and the UK government's handling of information to the general public ... they lied to us and told us we were getting no nuclear fall-out ... my sister in law was a secretary for a very large agricultural estate in East Anglia and phoned me to tell me that they were being told to dump all the vegetables and milk ... why ?? I lived in an area where my water supply was groundwater from East Anglia ... was someone protecting that ?? No I wanted to bring my children to a country with the same values I hold ... a nuclear free country ... even though it cost NZ much in the way of trade sanctions by the USA to punish NZ for not allowing their nuclear powered ships into NZ waters and harbours. ... NZ isn't perfect but it's a damned sight fairer and more egalitarian than Britain...


Well I wish you well in your new country. And I think E Anglia survived.grin angel cool
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