Please check the link below and tell us what you think about it. Is this guy just trying to promote and sell his newly-written books on the events of 9/11?
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
mnowsa: Please check the link below and tell us what you think about it. Is this guy just trying to promote and sell his newly-written books on the events of 9/11?
mnowsa: Please check the link below and tell us what you think about it. Is this guy just trying to promote and sell his newly-written books on the events of 9/11?
mnowsa: Please check the link below and tell us what you think about it. Is this guy just trying to promote and sell his newly-written books on the events of 9/11?
Sensationalism at it's best. The allegation with this being that the CIA didn't pass on information to the CIA. I would think that's true which was in part why Bush directed intel under a single office because they didn't share with each other. Not real earth shattering.
As far as the book goes, ofcourse the CIA, FBI and US Gov in general will censor it. Those with security clearances, especially at that level sign non-disclosure agreements prior to being officially hired and they also sign agreements that state they will clear any future books, articles, etc.. prior to sending for publishing to avoid compromises of classified information. I've signed similar things myself. Again, no real earth shattering news here.
This clown should know better and if this is really his mentality, I'm glad he's no longer in a position to serve the country. Good luck and good riddance the former FBI agent..
Sparky55: Sensationalism at it's best. The allegation with this being that the CIA didn't pass on information to the CIA. I would think that's true which was in part why Bush directed intel under a single office because they didn't share with each other. Not real earth shattering.
As far as the book goes, ofcourse the CIA, FBI and US Gov in general will censor it. Those with security clearances, especially at that level sign non-disclosure agreements prior to being officially hired and they also sign agreements that state they will clear any future books, articles, etc.. prior to sending for publishing to avoid compromises of classified information. I've signed similar things myself. Again, no real earth shattering news here.
This clown should know better and if this is really his mentality, I'm glad he's no longer in a position to serve the country. Good luck and good riddance the former FBI agent..
He is FBI.....but assigned to Yemen on the USS Cole case. That checks, the FBI did a investigation into the USsCole attack. But while he is and investigating alQeada in Yemen. That a unnamed CIA agents passes him two photos of 911 hi jackers prior to the event.
Two things come to mind. This was in the days of intell stovepiping..each agency kept its intelligence to itself..so the unnamed CIA agent broke the agency rules by giving him the photos. That seems only to convient, since according to other sources, the CIA was blocking the FBI investigation of the USS Cole Attack. Note the date of the article ...in Nov. 2000.
Second, I am pretty sure most of the Waterboarding took place in GITMO. But he is saying the he saw water boarding being being done by a CIA "contractor"in a secret CIA facililty.. When he reported it, he got relieved.
You got to remember only 6 were waterboarded. The CIA used their own special team to waterboard.....with DR. in attendance. They woulds send the team down from DC to GITMO....for a specific interrogations on a certain detainee. Why can I say that?
Langley is were the CIA coordinates and assesses gathered intelligence. The teams go from Langley and back to Langely with the recordings of the detainee interrogation. Soufan says that he was a 'secret CIA site' were Zbadya was waterboarded. Yet it is not the grop that was doig the Zubudiya waterboardeing. While at GITMO, the USARMY also kept a intell group that did analysist work. But to get intell the Army did not waterboard. That is why Obama shifted the intell gathering to the Army Field Manual standards.
You know alot of other people in the world waterboard and torture to gain intelligence. Example SMK....gave the Pakistani 3000 pages of intell before he came into the US hands. SMK was a pretty hard character...you think he just volunteered the intell to the Pakistani?
I am not saying he did not witness a waterboarding. Just who did it?
Sparky55: Sensationalism at it's best. The allegation with this being that the CIA didn't pass on information to the CIA. I would think that's true which was in part why Bush directed intel under a single office because they didn't share with each other. Not real earth shattering.
As far as the book goes, ofcourse the CIA, FBI and US Gov in general will censor it. Those with security clearances, especially at that level sign non-disclosure agreements prior to being officially hired and they also sign agreements that state they will clear any future books, articles, etc.. prior to sending for publishing to avoid compromises of classified information. I've signed similar things myself. Again, no real earth shattering news here.
This clown should know better and if this is really his mentality, I'm glad he's no longer in a position to serve the country. Good luck and good riddance the former FBI agent..
fbi had plane traing info.goes back to japans attack/wake a sleeping giant,we get a wake up call,every so often,then dont get mad,get even.
ttom500: He is FBI.....but assigned to Yemen on the USS Cole case. That checks, the FBI did a investigation into the USsCole attack. But while he is and investigating alQeada in Yemen. That a unnamed CIA agents passes him two photos of 911 hi jackers prior to the event.
Two things come to mind. This was in the days of intell stovepiping..each agency kept its intelligence to itself..so the unnamed CIA agent broke the agency rules by giving him the photos. That seems only to convient, since according to other sources, the CIA was blocking the FBI investigation of the USS Cole Attack. Note the date of the article ...in Nov. 2000.
Second, I am pretty sure most of the Waterboarding took place in GITMO. But he is saying the he saw water boarding being being done by a CIA "contractor"in a secret CIA facililty.. When he reported it, he got relieved.
You got to remember only 6 were waterboarded. The CIA used their own special team to waterboard.....with DR. in attendance. They woulds send the team down from DC to GITMO....for a specific interrogations on a certain detainee. Why can I say that?
Langley is were the CIA coordinates and assesses gathered intelligence. The teams go from Langley and back to Langely with the recordings of the detainee interrogation. Soufan says that he was a 'secret CIA site' were Zbadya was waterboarded. Yet it is not the grop that was doig the Zubudiya waterboardeing. While at GITMO, the USARMY also kept a intell group that did analysist work. But to get intell the Army did not waterboard. That is why Obama shifted the intell gathering to the Army Field Manual standards.
You know alot of other people in the world waterboard and torture to gain intelligence. Example SMK....gave the Pakistani 3000 pages of intell before he came into the US hands. SMK was a pretty hard character...you think he just volunteered the intell to the Pakistani?
I am not saying he did not witness a waterboarding. Just who did it?
This week in the magazine, Lawrence Wright tells, for the first time, the story of the F.B.I. agent who had the best chance of foiling the 9/11 plot....
On 9/11, Ali Soufan, an Arab-American F.B.I. agent, was one of only eight agents in the F.B.I. who spoke Arabic, and the only one in New York City. He was absolutely invaluable to the bureau because of his skills, his innate talent, and his relentless nature. At the age of twenty-nine, he was appointed the chief agent in charge of investigating the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, in the harbor of Aden, Yemen, which killed seventeen American soldiers in October of 2000....
People who were involved in the planning of the Cole bombing were connected to the people who planned 9/11. There was a meeting in Malaysia in January, 2000, where at least two of the 9/11 hijackers and the mastermind behind the Cole bombing, a man named Khallad, met with other Al Qaeda operatives. After that meeting, two of the hijackers flew to the United States and settled in San Diego. The C.I.A. knew about the meeting; the agency had had it monitored by Malaysia’s secret service, Special Branch, which took surveillance photos and sent them to the C.I.A. So the agency had in its file pictures of Khallad and of people who turned out to be among the hijackers. Had the C.I.A. told Soufan what it knew about the meeting, he might have uncovered the plot....
He specifically asked the C.I.A. three times for information about the Cole bombers and their meetings in Malaysia and Southeast Asia—information that the C.I.A. had and knew was relevant to his Cole investigation but did not turn over to him....
Why would it withhold that information?
Well, there are various theories. One is that the C.I.A. simply wanted to hang on to the information for itself. The agency was afraid of disclosing something to the F.B.I. that would then come out in a trial. Once intelligence is made public, it’s no longer useful to the agency. There are people in the F.B.I. who believed that the C.I.A. had hoped to recruit, as informers, the two Al Qaeda cell members who arrived in America in 2000. It had nobody inside the Al Qaeda organization, and here were two members of the inner circle, in America. I think the most likely answer to your question is that the problem was a mix of personality clashes and the C.I.A. being overwhelmed by the number of threats that were coming in at that time....
We’ve heard about the warnings that went unheeded before 9/11, and the famous Presidential daily intelligence briefing with the headline “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.” Do you think that a warning from Soufan would have been received differently?...
There’s no question that it had other opportunities, but none was as striking as this one. These were two Al Qaeda operatives inside America more than a year and a half before 9/11. Now, it’s conceivable, as one agent told me, that we might have followed them right up to the point where they got on the plane. But because of the connection of these two hijackers, Khaled al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, to bin Laden, and because there was already an indictment of bin Laden, the bureau had the authority to do what is called a full-field investigation on these men. That means that it had the authority to wiretap, to surveil them, to clone their computer hard drives—every single thing you can imagine, it had the authority to do. It could have easily disrupted the cell, at least, if not exposed the entire 9/11 plot. It was certainly its best opportunity, one that it wasn’t given....
Ali Soufan has shown that intelligent and careful interrogation can achieve real results. And it helps immensely, obviously, to have the language and cultural skills that he does. There are very few people in the American intelligence community that have his set of talents....
This week in the magazine, Lawrence Wright tells, for the first time, the story of the F.B.I. agent who had the best chance of foiling the 9/11 plot....
On 9/11, Ali Soufan, an Arab-American F.B.I. agent, was one of only eight agents in the F.B.I. who spoke Arabic, and the only one in New York City. He was absolutely invaluable to the bureau because of his skills, his innate talent, and his relentless nature. At the age of twenty-nine, he was appointed the chief agent in charge of investigating the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, in the harbor of Aden, Yemen, which killed seventeen American soldiers in October of 2000....
People who were involved in the planning of the Cole bombing were connected to the people who planned 9/11. There was a meeting in Malaysia in January, 2000, where at least two of the 9/11 hijackers and the mastermind behind the Cole bombing, a man named Khallad, met with other Al Qaeda operatives. After that meeting, two of the hijackers flew to the United States and settled in San Diego. The C.I.A. knew about the meeting; the agency had had it monitored by Malaysia’s secret service, Special Branch, which took surveillance photos and sent them to the C.I.A. So the agency had in its file pictures of Khallad and of people who turned out to be among the hijackers. Had the C.I.A. told Soufan what it knew about the meeting, he might have uncovered the plot....
He specifically asked the C.I.A. three times for information about the Cole bombers and their meetings in Malaysia and Southeast Asia—information that the C.I.A. had and knew was relevant to his Cole investigation but did not turn over to him....
Why would it withhold that information?
Well, there are various theories. One is that the C.I.A. simply wanted to hang on to the information for itself. The agency was afraid of disclosing something to the F.B.I. that would then come out in a trial. Once intelligence is made public, it’s no longer useful to the agency. There are people in the F.B.I. who believed that the C.I.A. had hoped to recruit, as informers, the two Al Qaeda cell members who arrived in America in 2000. It had nobody inside the Al Qaeda organization, and here were two members of the inner circle, in America. I think the most likely answer to your question is that the problem was a mix of personality clashes and the C.I.A. being overwhelmed by the number of threats that were coming in at that time....
We’ve heard about the warnings that went unheeded before 9/11, and the famous Presidential daily intelligence briefing with the headline “Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the U.S.” Do you think that a warning from Soufan would have been received differently?...
There’s no question that it had other opportunities, but none was as striking as this one. These were two Al Qaeda operatives inside America more than a year and a half before 9/11. Now, it’s conceivable, as one agent told me, that we might have followed them right up to the point where they got on the plane.
Ali Soufan has shown that intelligent and careful interrogation can achieve real results. And it helps immensely, obviously, to have the language and cultural skills that he does. There are very few people in the American intelligence community that have his set of talents....
....thanks for the post.......the current 911 mishmash sympathy nonsense is rampant so as to obscure the truth.........for emample- can any intelligent human believe that an airliner hit the pentagon- and vaporized....?!.....americans are constanly fed lies about 911.....you may want to read a book by philip agee- INSIDE THE COMPANY.......agee was a cia rebel......fascinating read for any good citizen.........
woodstock1: ....thanks for the post.......the current 911 mishmash sympathy nonsense is rampant so as to obscure the truth.........for emample- can any intelligent human believe that an airliner hit the pentagon- and vaporized....?!.....americans are constanly fed lies about 911.....you may want to read a book by philip agee- INSIDE THE COMPANY.......agee was a cia rebel......fascinating read for any good citizen.........
I'm pretty damn sure it wasn't Canadian geese that hit the pentagon.
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
woodstock1: ....thanks for the post.......the current 911 mishmash sympathy nonsense is rampant so as to obscure the truth.........for emample- can any intelligent human believe that an airliner hit the pentagon- and vaporized....?!.....americans are constanly fed lies about 911.....you may want to read a book by philip agee- INSIDE THE COMPANY.......agee was a cia rebel......fascinating read for any good citizen.........
Might want to talk to the families and tell them their loved ones never existed. See how far that gets your investigation.
As for the aircraft, at five hundred plus mph there wouldn't be much left of it except small pieces and the occasional bigger piece. Human remains would be mush and aluminum would be flattened and imbedded into brick and stone. No wonder most people consider truthers morons, at nearly the speed of sound impacting a solid structure, they expect to find an intact hollow aluminum airliner.
Even solid lead bullets don't retain their original shape when hitting paper.
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