Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants ( Archived) (74)

Oct 11, 2011 4:59 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
A new poll on voters take of illegal immigrants receiving in-state tuition.
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Oct 11, 2011 5:01 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
In response to: http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/5357-69-oppose-in-state-tuition-illegal-immigrants-perry-romney-cain A new poll on voters take of illegal immigrants receiving in-state tuition.


I do oppose giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition; if I must pay for my own college education, they should also.
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Oct 11, 2011 5:05 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
BebeII: http://blogs.investors.com/capitalhill/index.php/home/35-politicsinvesting/5357-69-oppose-in-state-tuition-illegal-immigrants-perry-romney-cain A new poll on voters take of illegal immigrants receiving in-state tuition.



But they are citizens of the world and deserve everything Americans have... (you lil' pot stirrer you!) laugh
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Oct 11, 2011 5:06 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
amahlala: I do oppose giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition; if I must pay for my own college education, they should also.


Oh now....BUCK UP! very mad

















grin cheers
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Oct 11, 2011 5:12 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
amahlala: NO! My parents were well off and determined not to saddle me with the meaningless gift of saving for my education, believing that being given a free ride to college would not allow me to learn anything but rather make it easier for me to always rely on others to pave my way.

I believed that they were right and did not hamper my children with the gift of a free ride. I am paying for my own education, they will pay (and are doing so) for their own education.

I see no reason to give others a free ride.....

So there!
cheers

Is it safe to guess that your parents won't be at the "Flea Party" in NYC? laugh
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Oct 11, 2011 6:24 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
freesparrow: Uhhh...noooo, Mr. Pucker. Nobody said they were citizens of the world. Some of us just think they should be treated humanely. Not getting a college education at in-state tuition would NOT be considered inhumane....goodness! I definitely do not believe this should happen.



If that's the case, I'll go find you a song. grin cheers teddybear
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Oct 11, 2011 6:32 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
amahlala: NO! My parents were well off and determined not to saddle me with the meaningless gift of saving for my education, believing that being given a free ride to college would not allow me to learn anything but rather make it easier for me to always rely on others to pave my way.

I believed that they were right and did not hamper my children with the gift of a free ride. I am paying for my own education, they will pay (and are doing so) for their own education.

I see no reason to give others a free ride.....

So there!


thumbs up I'm so with you on that Lala. If Rick Perry becomes our new president, you will see a plethora of illegal immigrants in colleges as he is all for giving them a free college education.doh
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Oct 11, 2011 7:06 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
JAN_is
JAN_isJAN_isMurcia city centre, Murcia Spain109 Threads 3,849 Posts
Sorry but I didn´t read the link, so I´m not sure exactly what the tuition covers. I would imagine it´s just the basics, rather than higher qualifications, and if English is included to enable immigrants to integrate and work effectively, hurrah, that´s more work for me. grin
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Oct 11, 2011 7:36 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
JAN_is: Sorry but I didn´t read the link, so I´m not sure exactly what the tuition covers. I would imagine it´s just the basics, rather than higher qualifications, and if English is included to enable immigrants to integrate and work effectively, hurrah, that´s more work for me.


So really, it's all about Jan. laugh







cheers
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Oct 11, 2011 8:11 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
montecito: I'm so with you on that Lala. If Rick Perry becomes our new president, you will see a plethora of illegal immigrants in colleges as he is all for giving them a free college education.
Don't worry, Rick Perry will not be the next POTUS.
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Oct 11, 2011 9:22 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
mustbnutz
mustbnutzmustbnutzKingman, Arizona USA33 Threads 5 Polls 3,730 Posts
amahlala: I do oppose giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition; if I must pay for my own college education, they should also.




I`m at a loss to comprehend why we would educate free or otherwise someones children when the parents obviously came here against the immigration laws.If I break laws there are certain activites that I cannot continue to do and I was born here.Someone explain that to me.confused
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Oct 11, 2011 10:03 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
mustbnutz: I`m at a loss to comprehend why we would educate free or otherwise someones children when the parents obviously came here against the immigration laws.If I break laws there are certain activites that I cannot continue to do and I was born here.Someone explain that to me.


I would love to be able to explain but then again, I still can't explain why the post office has kept my mail in continuous loop from the west coast to the east coast and back again, even after they have assured me that it has been fixed.....dunno
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Oct 11, 2011 10:07 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
RayfromUSA: I saw a TV discussion about the economic crisis today at a friend's house. And believe it or not the consensus of all these hand chosen "experts" was that European countries are obligated to bail out member states that, due to their own policies are bankrupt.

Practically every speaker mentioned the "new world order".

And yes it seems like the new consensus it that wealth should be taken those who have any and given to those who don't deserve any.


Ray,for a change I have to agree with you on everything here...especially the last sentence. Amen brother!!
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Oct 11, 2011 10:15 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
mustbnutz: I`m at a loss to comprehend why we would educate free or otherwise someones children when the parents obviously came here against the immigration laws.If I break laws there are certain activites that I cannot continue to do and I was born here.Someone explain that to me.


The answer is that the US politicians have got to be the stupidest bunch in the world. I don't know of any other country that will give a free college education to illegal immigrants. Heck, our country even gives a free college education to the criminals sitting in our jails. I have to pay for my own college education.
As far as I'm concerned, if the parents didn't come here legally, then the children also should not be considered citizens just because they were born here. It should be if the parents become legal citizens then their offspring are given that right too. Otherwise, sorry...no free ride for any of them. Not medicaid or even food stamps. I say if they need some help, put them on a bus or plane and fly them free back to their own country. I'm sorry if anyone doesn't like how I feel about illegal immigrants being squatters on US soil. I say, "Go Home!"
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Oct 11, 2011 10:18 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
mustbnutz: I`m at a loss to comprehend why we would educate free or otherwise someones children when the parents obviously came here against the immigration laws.If I break laws there are certain activites that I cannot continue to do and I was born here.Someone explain that to me.


In-state tuition is not free.
Out-state tuition is much more expensive than In-state tuition.

In some universities:
In-state tuition = 1x $
Out-state tuition = 3x $

Foreigners that get into an American university we have to pay Out-of-state tuition and we have to have a Student’s visa.

What is not clear to me is how do they get accepted to a university (or college) not having a legal status, a proper Visa (student’s visa).

conversing
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Oct 11, 2011 10:19 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
AGreatGuy2
AGreatGuy2AGreatGuy2warrenton, Missouri USA1 Threads 1 Polls 117 Posts
amahlala: I do oppose giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition; if I must pay for my own college education, they should also.



OH Really??????? Do you know what in-state tuition is??

((it is always nice to hear the opinion from someone that hasn't considered the question))
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Oct 11, 2011 10:22 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
AGreatGuy2
AGreatGuy2AGreatGuy2warrenton, Missouri USA1 Threads 1 Polls 117 Posts
Ray---- You hear "new world order" when the winds blows.....
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Oct 11, 2011 10:25 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
AGreatGuy2: OH Really??????? Do you know what in-state tuition is??

((it is always nice to hear the opinion from someone that hasn't considered the question))


Really? Here is an official version of what constitutes in-state tuition:
State residents often qualify for lower in-state tuition rates and state education grants. Most states have established residency requirements designed to prevent out-of-state students who become residents incidental to their education from qualifying.

These residency requirements are often encoded in state statute, and vary significantly from state to state. But generally, a dependent student must have at least one parent who is a state resident for at least one full year before the student matriculated in college. (Arkansas requires just six months. Alaska requires 24 months. Tennessee does not have a durational component to their residency requirements.) The parent should be the student's source of financial support, but does not necessarily need to have claimed the student as a dependent on their income tax returns. (If the student receives substantial financial support from out of state, the student's state residency status may be questioned. This can include PLUS loans borrowed by a parent who does not reside in the state. Also, if the student's parents are divorced, residency is often based on the residency status of the custodial parent.)

For independent students, either they or their spouse must have been a state resident for at least a year before the first day of classes. Some states require two years of residency and self sufficiency for independent students (e.g., the old Bright-Line Test for independent student status). These states include Arizona and California. Some states may also have a minimum age requirement for independent students to qualify as in-state residents (e.g., 19, 21, 23, 24), but may allow legally emancipated minors to qualify is they satisfy the durational requirements. Nebraska does not have a minimum period of residency for parents of dependent students, but uses the one-year standard for independent students. Some states (e.g., Minnesota) require a full calendar year of residency and not just twelve months prior to the first day of classes.

Residency requirements may be established by the state board of higher education. The authority to determine whether a student qualifies may have been delegated to the college. In such situations the school will want to see a preponderance of evidence that the family established state residency (both physical presence and intent), and that this residency was not merely incidental to the college attendance.

The determination as to whether a student qualifies is made by the tuition classification officer (usually someone in the Office of Admissions or Registrar) at each college or university. Each college's decision is binding only at that college. There is usually no appeal beyond the university.

It is best to have at least two government-issued documents that demonstrate state residency. At least one of these documents establishing residency must be dated at least twelve months prior to the first day of classes.
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Oct 11, 2011 10:28 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
AGreatGuy2
AGreatGuy2AGreatGuy2warrenton, Missouri USA1 Threads 1 Polls 117 Posts
mustbnutz: I`m at a loss to comprehend why we would educate free or otherwise someones children when the parents obviously came here against the immigration laws.If I break laws there are certain activites that I cannot continue to do and I was born here.Someone explain that to me.


I guess you wouldn't expect your children or grand-children should recieve an education if you had broken laws.......

However, the question was about students paying in-state tutition rates...... not if children of criminals should be denied a free public education.
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Oct 11, 2011 10:28 PM CST Poll On Instate Tuition For Illegal Immigrants
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
AGreatGuy2: OH Really??????? Do you know what in-state tuition is??

((it is always nice to hear the opinion from someone that hasn't considered the question))


When was the last time that you had to fill out a FAFSA form? When did you last attend college? How much was your student loan? Did you apply for scholarships? Grants? Did you work full-time while attending school? Part-time? Were you unemployed and still attending college? Did your parents fund your education?

Before you act as if someone has not considered the question, why don't you ask if they have attended college or are currently attending college instead of coming across as a superior, holier than thou individual?
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