bestbeforeOPsomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
I have just received this in an email and ,though probably in existance some time ,I thought it might be worth airing again to get public support.
Due to the crisis in Europe do we really want these people controlling our lives?Dear friends,
Days ago, Palden Choetso set herself alight and died. In the past month, nine Buddhist monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown in Tibet. These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help -- and we can answer their call. China restricts access to the region, but if we can persuade six key governments with close ties to China to send diplomats to the area, it will expose this escalating repression, and save lives. Sign the urgent petition now!
Days ago, Palden Choetso walked out of her nunnery, covered herself in petrol and set herself on fire while pleading for a 'free Tibet'. Minutes later she died. In the past month, nine monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown on the peaceful Tibetan people.
These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help. Machine gun-toting Chinese security forces are beating and disappearing monks, laying siege to monasteries, and even killing elderly people defending them -- all in an effort to suppress Tibetan rights. China severely restricts access to the region. But if we can get key governments to send diplomats in and expose this growing brutality, we could save lives.
We have to act fast -- this horrific situation is spiraling out of control behind a censorship curtain. Over and over we have seen that when diplomats themselves bear witness to atrocities, they are motivated to act, and increase political pressure. Let’s answer Palden's tragic cry and build a massive petition to the six world leaders with the most influence in Beijing to send a mission to Tibet and speak out against the repression. Sign the urgent petition:
Tibetans are suffocating under China’s stranglehold. They are unable to practice their religion freely -- just downloading a photograph of the Dalai Lama can land a Tibetan in prison. And it is getting worse as columns of Chinese troops have blockaded the largest monasteries and are abducting monks into "patriotic re-education" programmes. This horrific situation is spiraling out of control.
Since the beginning of the year, eleven monks and nuns have set themselves alight and with every protest China tightens its grip. For Tibetans, self-immolations are a very severe sacrifice that reveal their level of despair. They believe that committing suicide has a devastating impact on the cycle of re-incarnations and may even put you back 500 lifetimes. But Tibet's situation is so horrific that monks and nuns are forfeiting their positions in the cycle in exchange for the hope of international attention and freedom for their brothers and sisters.
The Chinese government won't allow journalists and human rights monitors into the region -- just days ago Sky news and AFP journalists were forced out. But diplomats can request access and get in. And, as we have recently seen in Syria, they are the best way to get firsthand reports, let China know that the world is watching and start high-level political conversations on Tibetans’ human rights.
It’s up to us to raise the global alarm. If we can get the US, UK, Australia, India, France and the EU to send a delegation now, they could push China to action. We have no time to lose -- sign the urgent petition:
bestbefore: I have just received this in an email and ,though probably in existance some time ,I thought it might be worth airing again to get public support.
Due to the crisis in Europe do we really want these people controlling our lives?Dear friends,
Days ago, Palden Choetso set herself alight and died. In the past month, nine Buddhist monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown in Tibet. These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help -- and we can answer their call. China restricts access to the region, but if we can persuade six key governments with close ties to China to send diplomats to the area, it will expose this escalating repression, and save lives. Sign the urgent petition now! Days ago, Palden Choetso walked out of her nunnery, covered herself in petrol and set herself on fire while pleading for a 'free Tibet'. Minutes later she died. In the past month, nine monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown on the peaceful Tibetan people.
These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help. Machine gun-toting Chinese security forces are beating and disappearing monks, laying siege to monasteries, and even killing elderly people defending them -- all in an effort to suppress Tibetan rights. China severely restricts access to the region. But if we can get key governments to send diplomats in and expose this growing brutality, we could save lives.
We have to act fast -- this horrific situation is spiraling out of control behind a censorship curtain. Over and over we have seen that when diplomats themselves bear witness to atrocities, they are motivated to act, and increase political pressure. Let’s answer Palden's tragic cry and build a massive petition to the six world leaders with the most influence in Beijing to send a mission to Tibet and speak out against the repression. Sign the urgent petition:
Tibetans are suffocating under China’s stranglehold. They are unable to practice their religion freely -- just downloading a photograph of the Dalai Lama can land a Tibetan in prison. And it is getting worse as columns of Chinese troops have blockaded the largest monasteries and are abducting monks into "patriotic re-education" programmes. This horrific situation is spiraling out of control.
Since the beginning of the year, eleven monks and nuns have set themselves alight and with every protest China tightens its grip. For Tibetans, self-immolations are a very severe sacrifice that reveal their level of despair. They believe that committing suicide has a devastating impact on the cycle of re-incarnations and may even put you back 500 lifetimes. But Tibet's situation is so horrific that monks and nuns are forfeiting their positions in the cycle in exchange for the hope of international attention and freedom for their brothers and sisters.
The Chinese government won't allow journalists and human rights monitors into the region -- just days ago Sky news and AFP journalists were forced out. But diplomats can request access and get in. And, as we have recently seen in Syria, they are the best way to get firsthand reports, let China know that the world is watching and start high-level political conversations on Tibetans’ human rights.
It’s up to us to raise the global alarm. If we can get the US, UK, Australia, India, France and the EU to send a delegation now, they could push China to action. We have no time to lose -- sign the urgent petition:
On the one hand this is bad. On the other hand, historically, persecution just makes people's beliefs stronger and the Chinese can't possibly destroy all the books on Buddhism in the world. They also can't destroy people's beliefs.
Witchaywoman: On the one hand this is bad. On the other hand, historically, persecution just makes people's beliefs stronger and the Chinese can't possibly destroy all the books on Buddhism in the world. They also can't destroy people's beliefs.
Really? Already China has migrated enough ethnic Chinese into Tibet that if there was an election tomorrow of all people BORN in Tibet the Chinese government would have a majority. The USA gave up on Tibet in exchange for China pulling away from the Soviet Union in the fifties and it has been a lost cause since then. In a hundred years time Tibet, as we understand it will simply be another province of China with a minority ethnic population fighting a battle they can never win just to have a say. China is one of the three most powerful countries in the world with its hands round most of the rest of the worlds debt, who do you think is prepared to rock that boat? Sorry, Tibet is already a lost cause.
bestbeforeOPsomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
Iuchi_Zien: Really? Already China has migrated enough ethnic Chinese into Tibet that if there was an election tomorrow of all people BORN in Tibet the Chinese government would have a majority. The USA gave up on Tibet in exchange for China pulling away from the Soviet Union in the fifties and it has been a lost cause since then. In a hundred years time Tibet, as we understand it will simply be another province of China with a minority ethnic population fighting a battle they can never win just to have a say. China is one of the three most powerful countries in the world with its hands round most of the rest of the worlds debt, who do you think is prepared to rock that boat? Sorry, Tibet is already a lost cause.
This is why we need constant reminders of how some country's control other people's lives,and try to do something to change that.
If people took more interest in just exactly what IS going on in the World,then maybe it would be a start towards putting us all on the path of understanding and peace.Just a thought.
bestbefore: This is why we need constant reminders of how some country's control other people's lives,and try to do something to change that.If people took more interest in just exactly what IS going on in the World,then maybe it would be a start towards putting us all on the path of understanding and peace.Just a thought.
Tibet lost its opportunity for freedom by obeying international law, it never resorted to international terrorism, like others did. As a result it was pretty much ignored. What kind of precidence does this set? Ignore international law, bomb, kill and mutilate innocents and we'll stand up and fight for your course, Obey international law, try to protest according to the rules and you will be forgotten.
Nikogas: Indeed! Quite sad it is at that. I might be crazy, but I still have hope that Good will still persevere. I might not be alive to see it, but I do still wish that for those that shall be here (on earth) in generations to come.
Daydreams! If Tibet, through some miracle gained independance tomorrow, you would have civil war on your hands. The majority of Tibetans, as in born in Tibet, are now ethnic Chinese. I mean if you became President of Tibet, how do you deal with the problem. China is still your neighbour and any attempt to oppress the majority Chinese population would have the tanks moving the next day. So how do you solve the problem of the majority of Tibetans wanting to rejoin China?
The rest of the World, collectively could have made the Chinese rethink their occupation if they boycotted their (Chinese) products; but Nooooooo the temptation of importing cheap Chinese goods - at the expense of their own economies was toooo tempting to resist! So! its the rest of the world that has made China powerful!
bestbeforeOPsomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
Elmorya: The rest of the World, collectively could have made the Chinese rethink their occupation if they boycotted their (Chinese) products; but Nooooooo the temptation of importing cheap Chinese goods - at the expense of their own economies was toooo tempting to resist! So! its the rest of the world that has made China powerful!
Good point,but still does not excuse their brute force in controlling another nation.
Iuchi_Zien: Daydreams! If Tibet, through some miracle gained independance tomorrow, you would have civil war on your hands. The majority of Tibetans, as in born in Tibet, are now ethnic Chinese. I mean if you became President of Tibet, how do you deal with the problem. China is still your neighbour and any attempt to oppress the majority Chinese population would have the tanks moving the next day. So how do you solve the problem of the majority of Tibetans wanting to rejoin China?
Well, if they can not practice their beliefs there, than maybe they will find a new place. Wars based on religion are not new. And civil wars have been going on way before any of us that are walking on earth were conceived. Time will tell what will become of this situation.
Witchaywoman: On the one hand this is bad. On the other hand, historically, persecution just makes people's beliefs stronger and the Chinese can't possibly destroy all the books on Buddhism in the world. They also can't destroy people's beliefs.
I agree, Buddhism is practiced all over the world. I would do whatever possible if it was my life and even people or potentially countries that felt strong about the right to practice whatever belief they seek may sympathize. I do not believe any power can erase that which is in the minds of followers all over the world.
Is not a war of religion in Tibet,occupied by the Chinise for 60 years.- The Tibetans for all those years have exercise a passive resistance against their occupiers.Suggesting Tibetans abandon their homeland to practice their religion elsewhere, is ludicrous.
Nikogas: Well, if they can not practice their beliefs there, than maybe they will find a new place. Wars based on religion are not new. And civil wars have been going on way before any of us that are walking on earth were conceived. Time will tell what will become of this situation.
the west war mongers don't have any interest in "helping" tibet nor any other country that doesn't have oil to take away from (cof cof Libya) even if they suffer from dictatorships which by the way they claim they hate as "champions of democracy" besides the US owes a lot of money to China like a lot of other countries and they don't want to piss them off.
Witchaywoman: On the one hand this is bad. On the other hand, historically, persecution just makes people's beliefs stronger and the Chinese can't possibly destroy all the books on Buddhism in the world. They also can't destroy people's beliefs.
Perhaps not, however, they CAN and ARE commiting genocide
chris27292729: Is not a war of religion in Tibet,occupied by the Chinise for 60 years.- The Tibetans for all those years have exercise a passive resistance against their occupiers.Suggesting Tibetans abandon their homeland to practice their religion elsewhere, is ludicrous.
All I am saying is that people will do what they need to do in order to practice what they believe in. I don't think they should "abandon" their home or their belief. What do you think they will do?
Passivelly and non violently,as they have done for 60 years, opposing the Chinise occupiers of their land,so they can practice their religion in freedon in the land of their birth.-
Nikogas: All I am saying is that people will do what they need to do in order to practice what they believe in. I don't think they should "abandon" their home or their belief. What do you think they will do?
chris27292729: Passivelly and non violently,as they have done for 60 years, opposing the Chinise occupiers of their land,so they can practice their religion in freedon in the land of their birth.-
Thank You. For some reason I thought this was being taken away. Glad that I misunderstood and that things are going well.
"Look in most atlases today and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find the name ‘Tibet’, while the other territories have been removed completely by the vast majority of cartographers. Tibet itself usually features as the truncated geo-political creation, named by communist China as ‘‘Tibet Autonomous Region’. Closer inspection will reveal that former Romanised Tibetan place-names, such as Shigatse, have been changed to more Chinese-sounding Xigatse. This is no accident, Communist China has a ‘Geographical Place-Names Committee’ whose task is to invent Chinese place names to replace those in areas such as Tibet and East Turkestan. It is part of a deliberate attempt to present Tibet as a bona-fide part of China. Sadly, some leading western map publishers and geographical institutions are assisting this deception by publishing Sinocised maps of Tibet. Even the respected NG has promoted this cynical and political fiction, and appears unwilling to feature genuine Tibetan place names in its publications."
( grabbed this on line, but it states it more clearly than i would of)
jono7: i just wanted to add:"Look in most atlases today and it is becoming increasingly difficult to find the name ‘Tibet’, while the other territories have been removed completely by the vast majority of cartographers. Tibet itself usually features as the truncated geo-political creation, named by communist China as ‘‘Tibet Autonomous Region’. Closer inspection will reveal that former Romanised Tibetan place-names, such as Shigatse, have been changed to more Chinese-sounding Xigatse. This is no accident, Communist China has a ‘Geographical Place-Names Committee’ whose task is to invent Chinese place names to replace those in areas such as Tibet and East Turkestan. It is part of a deliberate attempt to present Tibet as a bona-fide part of China. Sadly, some leading western map publishers and geographical institutions are assisting this deception by publishing Sinocised maps of Tibet. Even the respected NG has promoted this cynical and political fiction, and appears unwilling to feature genuine Tibetan place names in its publications."
( grabbed this on line, but it states it more clearly than i would of)
I am sorry but you are incorrect, Shigatse is still the name used for the central downtown area of this region, however, the actual township has the name Xigatse, It is very hard for western people to understand place names in China, they do not use the same definitions commonly used in the west, for example I live in a city named Chizhou, but the actual name of the downtown part is called Guichi, chizhou is the administrative name, and encompasses a much larger area, which includes the downtown part. If I go to Shanghai and say I live in Chizhou I get a blank look, but when I say Guichi, they all know immediately. There is a huge amount of misinformation spread by western media regarding Tibet, and it would be fair to say that the DL is not as pure as some would like to make out, to get a better, more honest opinion, try visiting Tibet and actually talk to the local, it is an eye opener as I discovered this summer !!! It is not a religious problem but one of power.
thank you for the information. as stated, i found that on line. i have not been to Tibet, only as close as Nepal. are you going to address any of the OP's statements? would be interested to see your views.
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Due to the crisis in Europe do we really want these people controlling our lives?Dear friends,
Days ago, Palden Choetso set herself alight and died. In the past month, nine Buddhist monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown in Tibet. These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help -- and we can answer their call. China restricts access to the region, but if we can persuade six key governments with close ties to China to send diplomats to the area, it will expose this escalating repression, and save lives. Sign the urgent petition now!
Days ago, Palden Choetso walked out of her nunnery, covered herself in petrol and set herself on fire while pleading for a 'free Tibet'. Minutes later she died. In the past month, nine monks and nuns have self-immolated to protest a growing Chinese crackdown on the peaceful Tibetan people.
These tragic acts are a desperate cry for help. Machine gun-toting Chinese security forces are beating and disappearing monks, laying siege to monasteries, and even killing elderly people defending them -- all in an effort to suppress Tibetan rights. China severely restricts access to the region. But if we can get key governments to send diplomats in and expose this growing brutality, we could save lives.
We have to act fast -- this horrific situation is spiraling out of control behind a censorship curtain. Over and over we have seen that when diplomats themselves bear witness to atrocities, they are motivated to act, and increase political pressure. Let’s answer Palden's tragic cry and build a massive petition to the six world leaders with the most influence in Beijing to send a mission to Tibet and speak out against the repression. Sign the urgent petition:
Tibetans are suffocating under China’s stranglehold. They are unable to practice their religion freely -- just downloading a photograph of the Dalai Lama can land a Tibetan in prison. And it is getting worse as columns of Chinese troops have blockaded the largest monasteries and are abducting monks into "patriotic re-education" programmes. This horrific situation is spiraling out of control.
Since the beginning of the year, eleven monks and nuns have set themselves alight and with every protest China tightens its grip. For Tibetans, self-immolations are a very severe sacrifice that reveal their level of despair. They believe that committing suicide has a devastating impact on the cycle of re-incarnations and may even put you back 500 lifetimes. But Tibet's situation is so horrific that monks and nuns are forfeiting their positions in the cycle in exchange for the hope of international attention and freedom for their brothers and sisters.
The Chinese government won't allow journalists and human rights monitors into the region -- just days ago Sky news and AFP journalists were forced out. But diplomats can request access and get in. And, as we have recently seen in Syria, they are the best way to get firsthand reports, let China know that the world is watching and start high-level political conversations on Tibetans’ human rights.
It’s up to us to raise the global alarm. If we can get the US, UK, Australia, India, France and the EU to send a delegation now, they could push China to action. We have no time to lose -- sign the urgent petition: