Old style parish politics, will it ever end? (19)

Nov 15, 2011 9:05 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Minister Willie Penrose has resigned from the gov. just because they were going to close an army barracks in his constituency!doh
Nov 15, 2011 9:25 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
SundanceWCork
SundanceWCorkSundanceWCorkCork, Ireland11 Threads 394 Posts
robpacciani: Ahh. So it looks like he is really resigning due to his cancer, and is using the army barracks as an excuse to do so?


It could be a factor but I guess he might think one pain in the hole is enough to deal with at one time and sitting on a cabinet that is full of them is just too much. You'd want to be in the full of your health and armed to the teeth to deal with those traitors.
Nov 15, 2011 9:29 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
robpacciani
robpaccianirobpaccianiGalway, Ireland211 Threads 3 Polls 5,134 Posts
SundanceWCork: It could be a factor but I guess he might think one pain in the hole is enough to deal with at one time and sitting on a cabinet that is full of them is just too much. You'd want to be in the full of your health and armed to the teeth to deal with those traitors.


Without a doubt! Sure they drove Lenihan to his grave!
Nov 15, 2011 11:48 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
SundanceWCork: It could be a factor but I guess he might think one pain in the hole is enough to deal with at one time and sitting on a cabinet that is full of them is just too much. You'd want to be in the full of your health and armed to the teeth to deal with those traitors.


such a way with words laugh
Nov 15, 2011 2:15 PM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
SundanceWCork
SundanceWCorkSundanceWCorkCork, Ireland11 Threads 394 Posts
fifitheminx: i thought it was very witty


Ok, I'll carry on being a bowsie so.
Nov 16, 2011 4:31 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
delamer
delamerdelamerWexford, Ireland114 Threads 10 Polls 4,135 Posts
snowlynx: Minister Willie Penrose has resigned from the gov. just because they were going to close an army barracks in his constituency!


Hopefully a few more might resign and start the ball rolling for Labour to call for a vote of no confidence in Fine Gael. Maybe they could manage to get history repeating itself and pull a Green party trick like last year. laugh
Nov 16, 2011 4:52 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Since somebody mentioned cancer, something struck me having watched the RTE program about the downfall of the FF government.

Was it a good idea to have a man, namely Brian Lenihan, negotiating with international bankers and trying to get us out of the financial mess we seem to be in, when he was suffering from a terminal illness. I know it makes him seem very noble but would a healthy individual not have perhaps got us a better deal? I'm not faulting his commitment but let's face it, he was a lawyer, not an accountant and he was a very sick man.
Nov 16, 2011 5:31 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
pogo07
pogo07pogo07dubliin, Dublin Ireland4 Threads 74 Posts
Godsgift: Since somebody mentioned cancer, something struck me having watched the RTE program about the downfall of the FF government.

Was it a good idea to have a man, namely Brian Lenihan, negotiating with international bankers and trying to get us out of the financial mess we seem to be in, when he was suffering from a terminal illness. I know it makes him seem very noble but would a healthy individual not have perhaps got us a better deal? I'm not faulting his commitment but let's face it, he was a lawyer, not an accountant and he was a very sick man.


Wow!!!!!!! thats pretty profound but yes, there is method in your madness and whats it they say about a dying man....??
Nov 16, 2011 7:18 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
snowlynx: Minister Willie Penrose has resigned from the gov. just because they were going to close an army barracks in his constituency!


I admire the stance he has taken. Shows true bottle IMO.

His mistake was promising it wouldnt happen. When you back yourself into a corner sometimes there's no other way out.
I hope Ruairi goes the same way. To see him squirming this morning in the Dail over the college fees was hilarious.
Politicains making pre election promises are LYING.

I wish there were more like Penrose to be honest.
Nov 16, 2011 9:32 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
snowlynx: Minister Willie Penrose has resigned from the gov. just because they were going to close an army barracks in his constituency!


He was elected to the Dail by the people of that Constituency...Of course he must stand by them and resign! He is not in the Dail to represent the government...He is there to represent the people who voted for him!

Party politics is what ruined this country.....Most TD's as soon as they are elected forget about the people who got them their job and start voting with the party no matter what.

Willie stood by the people who elected him and his word.....Wish more politicans were like him.
Nov 16, 2011 10:03 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
In response to: Minister Willie Penrose has resigned from the gov. just because they were going to close an army barracks in his constituency!


Can't agree with you there, it's localism not party politics that has ruined this country. If everyone did only what was popular locally then nothing would ever be done in the national interest. Willie had no problem voting to close things in other constituencies! Countries that do well, like Germany and Switzerland, have a strong sense of 'the nation' but countries like ours focus on the local all the time, and pay the price!
Nov 16, 2011 10:13 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
snowlynx: Can't agree with you there, it's localism not party politics that has ruined this country. If everyone did only what was popular locally then nothing would ever be done in the national interest. Willie had no problem voting to close things in other constituencies! Countries that do well, like Germany and Switzerland, have a strong sense of 'the nation' but countries like ours focus on the local all the time, and pay the price!



Willie was elected to represent the people of that areas best interests. That is what democracy is. And closing that Barracks is not in their interest so he had to make a stand. He was not elected to look after the FG / LB government. The people of that area are who he has to answer to so I think he did the right thing. And it would be 100% party politics to ask him to side with his party rather than the people who gave him his seat in The Dail imo.
Nov 16, 2011 10:20 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Straightdown: Willie was elected to represent the people of that areas best interests. That is what democracy is. And closing that Barracks is not in their interest so he had to make a stand. He was not elected to look after the FG / LB government. The people of that area are who he has to answer to so I think he did the right thing. And it would be 100% party politics to ask him to side with his party rather than the people who gave him his seat in The Dail imo.


But you see that's the problem! everyone acts in the local interest only and so the national interest gets neglected. He might have been elected locally but as soon as he sits in government he is responsible to ALL the people of the country, not just his constituents. Sometimes governments have to make decisions for the whole country that aren't popular in one locale, if they don't do that then nothing gets done.
Nov 16, 2011 10:26 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
snowlynx: But you see that's the problem! everyone acts in the local interest only and so the national interest gets neglected. He might have been elected locally but as soon as he sits in government he is responsible to ALL the people of the country, not just his constituents. Sometimes governments have to make decisions for the whole country that aren't popular in one locale, if they don't do that then nothing gets done.



Yes...But he promised the people this would not happen. If he did not resign what sort of man would that have made him. He would have been called a liar by the people who elected him. He had to resign. He had no choice.
And I don't think the government has proved closing the barracks is in the interest of the country...That is Willies big problem. He says it will cost money to close it...so maybe he is looking after both local and national interest. ?
Nov 16, 2011 10:27 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
SundanceWCork
SundanceWCorkSundanceWCorkCork, Ireland11 Threads 394 Posts
Another one bites the dust



Labour Party Councillor Gabrielle Egan of Clonmel Borough Council in Co Tipperary has resigned from the Labour Party over the closure of St Michael's Unit in Clonmel and the Kickham Army Barracks.

Meanwhile Eamon Gilbore has said that Labour MEP Nessa Childers has not been told to keep quiet about her opposition to the nomination of Kevin Cardiff to the European Court of Auditors. This conflicts with what Ms Childers has said. She said she receives a phone call from a Labour Party Politician who said she could "could end up in court" if she opposed Mr Cardiff for the fat cat job in Europe. Ms Childers also received voice mails warning that if she continued there would be a recommendation for her expulsion from the party. These recordings are now in the hands of the relevant authorities.


Tough days for the Stasi
Nov 16, 2011 11:24 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
snowlynx: But you see that's the problem! everyone acts in the local interest only and so the national interest gets neglected. He might have been elected locally but as soon as he sits in government he is responsible to ALL the people of the country, not just his constituents. Sometimes governments have to make decisions for the whole country that aren't popular in one locale, if they don't do that then nothing gets done.


I largely agree with you Snowy. And I agree with Straightdown. He was elected by these people and he lives with these people. He should be accountable to these people. His mistake was the promise pre election.
People don't care about the national good when they can't pay their mortgage or feed their children.

Cronyism is alive and well and living in our Government. The last 20 jobs high in our Gov and civil service have been given to people with FG/Lab connections. If our leaders don't care about the national good how can they expect us to ?

I wish there were more like him.
Nov 16, 2011 11:26 AM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
SundanceWCork: Another one bites the dust



Labour Party Councillor Gabrielle Egan of Clonmel Borough Council in Co Tipperary has resigned from the Labour Party over the closure of St Michael's Unit in Clonmel and the Kickham Army Barracks.

Meanwhile Eamon Gilbore has said that Labour MEP Nessa Childers has not been told to keep quiet about her opposition to the nomination of Kevin Cardiff to the European Court of Auditors. This conflicts with what Ms Childers has said. She said she receives a phone call from a Labour Party Politician who said she could "could end up in court" if she opposed Mr Cardiff for the fat cat job in Europe. Ms Childers also received voice mails warning that if she continued there would be a recommendation for her expulsion from the party. These recordings are now in the hands of the relevant authorities.Tough days for the Stasi


If she has been threatened in this way it is absolutely disgusting.
Stasi state is right doh
Nov 16, 2011 12:59 PM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
vinny1967: If she has been threatened in this way it is absolutely disgusting.
Stasi state is right


Well, Enda Kenny had a meeting with Angela Merkle today. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall. I can't help thinking of that scene out of Blazing Saddles! rolling on the floor laughing



rolling on the floor laughing
Nov 16, 2011 1:25 PM CST Old style parish politics, will it ever end?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Godsgift: Well, Enda Kenny had a meeting with Angela Merkle today. I'd love to have been a fly on the wall. I can't help thinking of that scene out of Blazing Saddles!


laugh
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