Women behind the men ( Archived) (81)

Nov 20, 2011 2:37 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
Hi, you probably heard the expression; behind every great man, there is a woman.

Do you believe its true?
why?
why not?

if yes; how? what would make it, what would break it?

and if it is true - would it be possible for all to "participate", or just the special few?

and in case availability for everyone is correct, including you and I, what would be the price for engaging in such? and what would be the price to not?
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Nov 20, 2011 4:39 AM CST Women behind the men
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
olaix: Hi, you probably heard the expression; behind every great man, there is a woman.

Do you believe its true?
why?
why not?

if yes; how? what would make it, what would break it?

and if it is true - would it be possible for all to "participate", or just the special few?

and in case availability for everyone is correct, including you and I, what would be the price for engaging in such? and what would be the price to not?

This is rather confusing for me ...(probably cause I have the same IQ as a cannoli)
but I do have to aske... what is it that makes one "great"???
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Nov 20, 2011 4:50 AM CST Women behind the men
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
yes and no a woman probally said it...if a man is happy he is creative and more productive..with a good woman he will work hard...on the other hand a man alone can be creative thru fustration and desperation...and do things..i think it can go either way...
on an end note your trying to price love shows a shallow mind...the end
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Nov 20, 2011 5:53 AM CST Women behind the men
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
Personnaly i dont think there is any truth in it.There are many successful men,and women who are single.
Everyone is an individual,and i always think some people like to "pidgeon hole" people because its easier,and gives things a reason.
Working together and communication is whats important in my opinion.
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Nov 20, 2011 7:32 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
Not much thought so far it seems. I'd like to know more.
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Nov 20, 2011 7:33 AM CST Women behind the men
Sunny143
Sunny143Sunny143christchurch, Canterbury New Zealand112 Threads 20 Polls 1,093 Posts
I only know that women run always behind gr8 men...
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Nov 20, 2011 8:06 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
olaix: Hi, you probably heard the expression; behind every great man, there is an even greater woman.

Do you believe its true?
why?
why not?

if yes; how? what would make it, what would break it?

and if it is true - would it be possible for all to "participate", or just the special few?

and in case availability for everyone is correct, including you and I, what would be the price for engaging in such? and what would be the price to not?



Could be that that expression came about when only men could hold "prestigious" positions and "great" women had no choice but to be the shadow of their man. But the greatness/wisdom/strength/humility of the woman would end up being "channelled though the man" ....

For me the price in engaging in the practise of being someone's shadow is the loss of my personal identity. A price I am not prepared to pay. I have things to do of my own!!!
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Nov 20, 2011 8:12 AM CST Women behind the men
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Dammit, its not even Friday.

Is there no respect for protocol anymore?
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Nov 20, 2011 8:15 AM CST Women behind the men
alonerdo
alonerdoalonerdoHuixquilucan, Mexico State Mexico3 Threads 1 Polls 228 Posts
EagleWoman: Really? So you wouldn't like your lover to give you an all over body massage, because she'd be "behind you"?

scold professor I have a weird phobia of physical contact, and my psychologist says I'm hopeless, so a massage is, in my particular case, a disturbing experience, devoid of pleasure!mumblinghandshake
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Nov 20, 2011 8:21 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
alonerdo: I have a weird phobia of physical contact, and my psychologist says I'm hopeless, so a massage is, in my particular case, a disturbing experience, devoid of pleasure!


Wow! All you gotta do then is hope the universe puts on your path a lady with the same phobia and wish for instant "non physical contact attraction" ...

Sounds like tantra might be a good path for you to explore (if you haven't already)

handshake
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Nov 20, 2011 8:22 AM CST Women behind the men
Yash124g
Yash124gYash124gEdinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK9 Threads 1 Polls 1,237 Posts
As others have said, this view from times gone past, though it still happens in some parts of the world.. but women in most parts of the world are no longer dependent on a man's world to acheive their ambitions.. peace doh grin

And any excuse to post this.. dancing


cool
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Nov 20, 2011 8:33 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Yash124g: As others have said, this view from times gone past, though it still happens in some parts of the world.. but women in most parts of the world are no longer dependent on a man's world to acheive their ambitions..

And any excuse to post this..


I didn't know this great song!! Thanks Yash!! applause
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Nov 20, 2011 8:35 AM CST Women behind the men
alonerdo
alonerdoalonerdoHuixquilucan, Mexico State Mexico3 Threads 1 Polls 228 Posts
EagleWoman: Wow! All you gotta do then is hope the universe puts on your path a lady with the same phobia and wish for instant "non physical contact attraction" ...

Sounds like tantra might be a good path for you to explore (if you haven't already)
EagleWoman: Wow! All you gotta do then is hope the universe puts on your path a lady with the same phobia and wish for instant "non physical contact attraction" ...

Sounds like tantra might be a good path for you to explore (if you haven't already)

In fact, I have not entered a monastery, because of my "duties" of the firstborn! To a girl with the same phobia?, It is more likely that I can become a Zen monk, to find a girl with this rare phobia!cheers
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Nov 20, 2011 9:13 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
alonerdo: In fact, I have not entered a monastery, because of my "duties" of the firstborn! To a girl with the same phobia?, It is more likely that I can become a Zen monk, to find a girl with this rare phobia!


Have you tried NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming)?


I just did a quick search on google by putting "phobia of physical contact" in the search window and you might be surprised to find that yours is not such a "rare" condition. There's even self-hypnosis material available to re-program yourself specifically for that condition. cheers
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Nov 20, 2011 9:46 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
EagleWoman: Could be that that expression came about when only men could hold "prestigious" positions and "great" women had no choice but to be the shadow of their man. But the greatness/wisdom/strength/humility of the woman would end up being "channelled though the man" ....

For me the price in engaging in the practise of being someone's shadow is the loss of my personal identity. A price I am not prepared to pay. I have things to do of my own!!!



Hmm.... I think some of your ideas are nice.

You mean it would always mean shadow for the woman? is it impossible for some women to want shadow one place to shine another? or does it mean collar for the girl, and a one way benefit for the guy? Can you explain how it works, especially the channeling, and the function of the virtues you mentioned?
Maybe, if it works, we can see if its acceptable or not.

I think I disagree with this; that women had no choice - it doesn't seem like it would work very well through some form of coercion. I think it is more reasonable that they were in harmony, and cooperated, and simply did it the way they did because it was how it worked best. I think fear and envy, like there would be competition or conflict for the same thing/position, would unmake it from working, what is your opinion?
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Nov 20, 2011 9:57 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
You are right about one thing though, it would never work if the girl had a big ego, so humility would probably be required, generosity definitely would be; generosity itself perhaps, and I don't see how the ego would allow that. Then it is not easy, even if it was worth it.
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Nov 20, 2011 10:03 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
olaix: Hmm.... I think some of your ideas are nice.

You mean it would always mean shadow for the woman? is it impossible for some women to want shadow one place to shine another? or does it mean collar for the girl, and a one way benefit for the guy? Can you explain how it works, especially the channeling, and the function of the virtues you mentioned?
Maybe, if it works, we can see if its acceptable or not.

I think I disagree with this; that women had no choice - it doesn't seem like it would work very well through some form of coercion. I think it is more reasonable that they were in harmony, and cooperated, and simply did it the way they did because it was how it worked best. I think fear and envy, like there would be competition or conflict for the same thing/position, would unmake it from working, what is your opinion?


Olaix it wasn't coercion like: "Go on! You'll see!! You'll like it!!"

I used to be: You're a woman therefore you can't study, you can't vote, you can't own property in your sole name, you can't take decisions pertaining to your persoanl life. The father (or older brother when the father died) used to be responsible for all those things till the woman was married then it became the husband's responisbility. In those days ... the only way a bright/great woman could shine was by intelligently/cleverly supporting her husband to achieve whatever he set out to do. It still is like that for women in some societies.

What do you mean if it works? Does it ever work that someone can only live through the achievements of another? Not through choice but because "the laws" say you can NOT set out to do what you want because you're a woman!!!
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Nov 20, 2011 10:08 AM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
olaix: You are right about one thing though, it would never work if the girl had a big ego, so humility would probably be required, generosity definitely would be; generosity itself perhaps, and I don't see how the ego would allow that. Then it is not easy, even if it was worth it.


Why does it have to be the girl's role to live in the shadow of a man with a mission?

Why aren't you including into the equation the possibility of a man living in a woman's shadow to support her in reaching the goal of her mission in life?

Surely BOTH men and women are capable of generosity, humility and devotion!!
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Nov 20, 2011 10:08 AM CST Women behind the men
alonerdo
alonerdoalonerdoHuixquilucan, Mexico State Mexico3 Threads 1 Polls 228 Posts
EagleWoman: Olaix it wasn't coercion like: "Go on! You'll see!! You'll like it!!"

I used to be: You're a woman therefore you can't study, you can't vote, you can't own property in your sole name, you can't take decisions pertaining to your persoanl life. The father (or older brother when the father died) used to be responsible for all those things till the woman was married then it became the husband's responisbility. In those days ... the only way a bright/great woman could shine was by intelligently/cleverly supporting her husband to achieve whatever he set out to do. It still is like that for women in some societies.

What do you mean if it works? Does it ever work that someone can only live through the achievements of another? Not through choice but because "the laws" say you can NOT set out to do what you want because you're a woman!!!
EagleWoman: Olaix it wasn't coercion like: "Go on! You'll see!! You'll like it!!"

I used to be: You're a woman therefore you can't study, you can't vote, you can't own property in your sole name, you can't take decisions pertaining to your persoanl life. The father (or older brother when the father died) used to be responsible for all those things till the woman was married then it became the husband's responisbility. In those days ... the only way a bright/great woman could shine was by intelligently/cleverly supporting her husband to achieve whatever he set out to do. It still is like that for women in some societies.

What do you mean if it works? Does it ever work that someone can only live through the achievements of another? Not through choice but because "the laws" say you can NOT set out to do what you want because you're a woman!!!


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Nov 20, 2011 10:09 AM CST Women behind the men
Yash124g
Yash124gYash124gEdinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK9 Threads 1 Polls 1,237 Posts
Hi Olaix,

One example for you is the author George Elliot, though as you will see, her personal reasons may also have been a contributing facor, as well as for her work to be taken seriously.. wink


cool

EW, glad you liked the song, its one of my favourites..
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