Hope ( Archived) (106)

Dec 12, 2011 8:59 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Hope is an addiction.

It feels so good. I want to refine it into love. Smoke myself silly. Hot knives, chasing the dragon. Play with fire. Keeping warm.

I've had some. It wasn't quality, but I don't need much. I learned early on not to be greedy.

I thought I'd found a good supply. I had some hope and I wanted to refine it into love, but I didn't know that asking for credit causes embarassment. I thought I had enough to pay for it, but I didn't. I didn't have enough.

Never mind. I'll go somewhere I can find a better supply. I'll go to the place where there's plenty of hope and maybe I'll get a good deal and I see some people are refining it into love and I think, I can do that.

And then I realised I couldn't afford it anywhere. Somebody smashed my fingers to stop me from having any hope and I realised I can't work fast enough to get enough to refine it into love. I'll work harder. The harder I work the more supple my hands will get. I'll get better. I go looking for hope.

Then someone, this someone, a dealer in hope, he offers me some quality stuff and I take it greedily. I'll work hard. I'll pay for enough hope to refine it into love. It'll feel so good. I want to smoke it, snort it, rub it on my gums, inject it. I shove my hands in my pockets so no one can see. I get lots of hope. More than I've ever had before. Almost regular and it feels so, so good.

And then he disappears. Its ok, its ok. I don't need it anyway. I'm going to get clean. I can live without hope. Its ok. I can do it. Its better to be clean. No more withdrawal. No more going without because I won't need it. That's logic. I can do it. I can do it. I didn't know I couldn't work hard enough. I'd only ever seen people with broken hands. I didn't know what it was like to have good hands, to be able to work hard enough to pay for hope, enough hope to refine it into love. I didn't know I couldn't afford to smoke it, take deep breaths of it, inject it straight into my heart, feel the warmth of it envelope me. Its ok. I'm nearly there. It'll stop hurting soon, going without. Soon. I can do it, I can do it, I can do it. Nearly there. Look I'm nearly clean. Look at me! I can do it.

And then he shows up again and he offers me some hope and I say I can't afford it, I'm going clean, I'm staying clean and he says its ok, I can have some and I can pay for it later and I take it. It feels so good. It feels so good. I love it.

Its regular again, sort of, but I know I might not be able to pay for it. I know I might get a bill I can't pay and it feels like stealing. So I say, I can't afford this and I show him my hands and he says it doesn't matter, pay him later, I'm a good customer and I take a little more.

And then he's gone. He just doesn't show up one day. I hang around and I wait for him, but he doesn't show up. The pain is getting bad after a while so I hang around waiting for him to show up. I'm hungry and on the move and I keep looking. I look a little further afield, but I can't find him. The pain starts to recede, its been a while now and I'm getting better, I'm getting clean again, I can do it. Its better to go without. Its better. I'm getting better.

I see him in the distance and I run. Run to catch up and he says, sorry I've been out of town, but I'm back now. Here have some hope and I take it with joy in my heart. I want to refine it into love. Love in my heart. I want to wallow in its richness. I want to bathe in it. Smoke it, sniff it, I want an intraveinous drip, always there and then my hands will be numb and I won't feel any pain anymore and everything will be alright and it'll be easy to work hard enough to sustain the love.

And then he's gone.

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Dec 12, 2011 9:04 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
ALL HOPE IS GONE....
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Dec 12, 2011 9:14 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts



alone

From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were -- I have not seen
As others saw -- I could not bring
My passions from a common spring --
From the same source I have not taken
My sorrow -- I could not awaken
My heart to joy at the same tone --
And all I lov'd -- I lov'd alone --
Then -- in my childhood -- in the dawn
Of a most stormy life -- was drawn
From ev'ry depth of good and ill
The mystery which binds me still --
From the torrent, or the fountain --
From the red cliff of the mountain --
From the sun that 'round me roll'd
In its autumn tint of gold --
From the lightning in the sky
As it pass'd me flying by --
From the thunder, and the storm --
And the cloud that took the form
(When the rest of Heaven was blue)
Of a demon in my view --

by e a poe

i was ok till this morning bank says i was overdrew 3 dollars and chrged me 105.....the day got worse...rock bottom now...good thing i dont have a gun i guess...tarry on....
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Dec 12, 2011 9:20 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
marss: ALL HOPE IS GONE....


If that were true, would it be easier?

Would we survive?
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Dec 12, 2011 9:21 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
what most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM CST Hope
Ur_Knight
Ur_KnightUr_KnightWindsor, Ontario Canada10 Threads 2,176 Posts
marss: what most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things.


YES!!! yay
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Dec 12, 2011 9:26 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
marss: i was ok till this morning bank says i was overdrew 3 dollars and chrged me 105.....the day got worse...rock bottom now...good thing i dont have a gun i guess...tarry on....


No gun? Have one of these instead ---> hug
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Dec 12, 2011 9:30 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
marss: what most people need to learn in life is how to love people and use things instead of using people and loving things.


As Venus would say, true dat.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:31 PM CST Hope
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
jac379: If that were true, would it be easier?

Would we survive?


I don't believe in hope because it is wishful thinking and wishful thinking is a fantasy, IMO.

I prefer reality, things I can change.....things that are changeable.

Hope is one dimension. Reality is workable.....

Hoping that the X-ray doesn't show a tumor.....reality is, there might be a tumor

Hoping that he comes along someday.....reality is, it's unlikely that he will come along so no point in wishful thinking.

Hope leaves people in despair......
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Dec 12, 2011 9:34 PM CST Hope
DBguy
DBguyDBguyDaytona Beach, Florida USA8 Threads 349 Posts
I hope everyone on here has a Merry Christmas and a healthy, happy and prosperous 2012.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:35 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
montecito: I don't believe in hope because it is wishful thinking and wishful thinking is a fantasy, IMO.

I prefer reality, things I can change.....things that are changeable.

Hope is one dimension. Reality is workable.....

Hoping that the X-ray doesn't show a tumor.....reality is, there might be a tumor

Hoping that he comes along someday.....reality is, it's unlikely that he will come along so no point in wishful thinking.

Hope leaves people in despair......


What if there is no tumour? Does hope have a function then?

Does it have a function regardless of the outcome, ie. it get's you through waiting for the results, good, or bad?
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Dec 12, 2011 9:37 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
what i just lost tonite can never be replaced or subsituted....my heart is shattered...my wound is deep i shall bleed out...i dont even care any more...
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Dec 12, 2011 9:38 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
DBguy: I hope everyone on here has a Merry Christmas and a healthy, happy and prosperous 2012.


laugh

Hope has a variation of intensity.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:39 PM CST Hope
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
jac379: What if there is no tumour? Does hope have a function then?

Does it have a function regardless of the outcome, ie. it get's you through waiting for the results, good, or bad?


If there's no tumor, hope had nothing to do with it. While waiting for the x-ray results and hoping that everything would be okey dokey, it kept the person in suspense whereas, I would prefer to get the x-ray done and go with the flow. Worrying about it will not make the results in your favor.

I guess if it gets you through the waiting time, it's okay for some, but for me, it would keep me in a stress mode and causing myself the much stress would only make matter worse.

It's no different then if your car makes a terrible noise. First thing you think is .... what is this going to cost me and you hope that the mechanic will say, it was a piece of dust. If you just go to the mechanic and tell him that the car is making a noice like a duck, he'll check it out and tell you it was a piece of dust. The outcome doesn't change whether you mentally had hope or not.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:41 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
marss: what i just lost tonite can never be replaced or subsituted....my heart is shattered...my wound is deep i shall bleed out...i dont even care any more...


I don't know what to say, Marss.

Except, you're amongst friends.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:42 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
i fell so hard....she took me so high this fall will kill me for sure...i never felt so much in love before...crying i shall never recover...
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Dec 12, 2011 9:45 PM CST Hope
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
montecito: If there's no tumor, hope had nothing to do with it. While waiting for the x-ray results and hoping that everything would be okey dokey, it kept the person in suspense whereas, I would prefer to get the x-ray done and go with the flow. Worrying about it will not make the results in your favor.

I guess if it gets you through the waiting time, it's okay for some, but for me, it would keep me in a stress mode and causing myself the much stress would only make matter worse.

It's no different then if your car makes a terrible noise. First thing you think is .... what is this going to cost me and you hope that the mechanic will say, it was a piece of dust. If you just go to the mechanic and tell him that the car is making a noice like a duck, he'll check it out and tell you it was a piece of dust. The outcome doesn't change whether you mentally had hope or not.


Very pragmatic, but is it possible not to hope?

One of the defining traits of depression is feelings of hopelessness and it leads to inertia.

In which case, is it healthy to try and supress hope?

Is there an optimum level of hope?
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Dec 12, 2011 9:52 PM CST Hope
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
jac379: Very pragmatic, but is it possible not to hope?

One of the defining traits of depression is feelings of hopelessness and it leads to inertia.

In which case, is it healthy to try and supress hope?

Is there an optimum level of hope?


The reason I suppress hope is what I say on here all the time when people ask about how much you should expect from a partner.....and the answer is......expect nothing and you won't be disappointed.

I suppress hope to save myself from disappointment.

If I buy a lottery ticket tomorrow and hope that I'm a winner, there is a 99.9% chance that I'm a loser because I spent the money.

I'll be honest.....if my daughter was seriously ill and going in for an operation I would definitely hope and a/k/a worry, that everything turns out okay and she will come off the operating table alive.

But to hope that "he" comes into my life or to hope that I get a raise or hope that it doesn't snow, seems to be unrealistic for me.
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Dec 12, 2011 9:54 PM CST Hope
marss
marssmarssmorriston, Florida USA47 Threads 5 Polls 2,606 Posts
thanks jac you are a good woman...
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Dec 12, 2011 9:56 PM CST Hope
jac379: Very pragmatic, but is it possible not to hope?

One of the defining traits of depression is feelings of hopelessness and it leads to inertia.

In which case, is it healthy to try and supress hope?

Is there an optimum level of hope?
I think so. And nice thread, Jac!

Here ya go...



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