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Dec 14, 2011 1:32 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
$1.6 Trillion Obamacare.

30 million recipients.

Divide.

$530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.



Wowee,one hefty price!
wow wow wow
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Dec 14, 2011 1:36 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
ALABAMA-Birmingham-County is bankrupt,and the rates for Clean Water and Sewerage skyhigh!

Some previous Managers and Commissioners mismanaged and ripped off the public!




Tammy Lucas is the human face of a financial and political scandal that has brought one of the most deprived communities in America's south to the point of what some local people believe is collapse.

She says: "If the sewer bill gets higher, my light might get cut off and if I try to catch up the light, my water might get cut off. So we're in between. We can't make it like this."

Mrs Lucas's monthly sewerage rate bills - the amount levied by the county to flush away waste and provide water for baths and showers - has quadrupled in the past 15 years. She says it is currently running at $150 (£97) a month, which leaves little left out of her $600 social security check for food and electricity.



His modest rented home, next to a busy freight train line, is one of a growing number in the area that now has a blue portable toilet next to it.

He says he finds it cheaper to buy drums of water from a petrol station and pay a sanitation company about $14 a month to remove waste from his "porta-potty" than pay the combined sewer and water rate bill, which some months can reach $300.

"Most people who live here are on social security," he said.

"They can't spend this kind of money on sewerage. It's just outrageous. It's too high.

"I pay my sewerage bill, then I'm going to slack on my groceries. Then what am I going to eat?"

Sewerage rates and water rates, which are levied on drinkable water, vary widely across the United States.

But they are generally rising faster than inflation as cities are forced by federal government to replace worn-out sewerage facilities.

The two rates have been combined into a single bill in Jefferson County, which has increased by 329% over the past 15 years, making it among the highest in America, as the county has struggled to service the mountain of debt it took on to pay for a new sewer system.
Corruption scandal

The facility, which has been under construction since 1996, was meant to cost about $300m.

But the bill soared to $3.1bn after construction problems and a series of bond and derivatives deals that went sour in the financial meltdown of 2008.


Investment bank JP Morgan Securities and two of its former directors have been fined for offering bribes to Jefferson County workers and politicians to win business financing the sewer upgrade.

Six of Jefferson County's former commissioners have been found guilty of corruption for accepting the bribes, along with 15 other officials.

New county commissioners, struggling to service the debt they inherited from their crooked predecessors, took the decision to file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy last month.

But the county's bondholders, who stand to lose about $4.5m a month in repayments if the bankruptcy is allowed to proceed, are contesting it in court.

A Birmingham bankruptcy judge, Thomas B Bennett, has yet to make a final ruling.

Some of that Obama-"Care" Money would be better spent there!
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Dec 14, 2011 1:42 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
mustbnutz
mustbnutzmustbnutzKingman, Arizona USA33 Threads 5 Polls 3,730 Posts
Conrad73: $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.

30 million recipients.

Divide.

$530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.
Wowee,one hefty price!



No problem Conrad......If the government runs runs out of money to pay for this they will just put it on the tab with China.If that does not work they will print about 40 trillion more worthless dollars. Problem solved.
Who cares....just pass it on to our great-great-great-great-great-great-great grand children.....crying
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Dec 14, 2011 1:47 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Conrad73: $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.

30 million recipients.

Divide.

$530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.
Wowee,one hefty price!



They could probably get the funding from China.
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Dec 14, 2011 1:50 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
Ccincy: They could probably get the funding from China.
They'd be delighted to underwrite Healthinsurance for 300Million Americans!
Absotively and Posilutely ecstatic!laugh
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Dec 14, 2011 1:52 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Conrad73: They'd be delighted to underwrite Healthinsurance for 300Million Americans!
Absotively and Posilutely ecstatic!



laugh I'm sure they would be.
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Dec 14, 2011 1:54 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
Ccincy: I'm sure they would be.
doubtless!grin
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Dec 14, 2011 2:00 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
johnaustin123
johnaustin123johnaustin123Eastlake, Ohio USA76 Threads 16 Polls 4,330 Posts
mustbnutz: No problem Conrad......If the government runs runs out of money to pay for this they will just put it on the tab with China.If that does not work they will print about 40 trillion more worthless dollars. Problem solved.
Who cares....just pass it on to our great-great-great-great-great-great-great grand children.....


This quote is true.

Obama care is in our Federal Courts in the US because it violates The Constitution to force people to pay for Healthcare. I’ve always said that the answer is Charity from the wealthy to provide for the poor…not taxes like the Obama Administration wants to do so they can pocket the money for their progressive causes. Typical Politics from Obama. Do you believe that he wants to share this money with the poor?

He has his own Agenda…he wants to be famous in History instead of the job he was elected for.
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Dec 14, 2011 2:42 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
Conrad73: $530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.
Wowee,one hefty price!


'Conservative' estimate? hmmm






Seems you may have misplaced a few zeros Conrad laugh







popcorn



SecDef plans first visit to F-35

Shame on us for thinking the unthinkable about the F-35.

How healthy is the world’s biggest defense program? Secretary Panetta himself plans to head down Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., for his first in-person encounter with the jet and the people who make it possible, DoD announced Wednesday. We just don’t know exactly when that’s going to happen.

The Pentagon first announced that Panetta was planning on heading to Pax River on Friday, but then it followed up with another announcement that something had come up and he had to postpone his trip until “early next year.” Still, it’s the thought that counts, right?

Here’s what Panetta would have done on Friday, per the first announcement:

At the F-35 test facility, the secretary will deliver brief remarks to one hundred fifty military and civilian personnel from the F-35 Integrated Test Force, and field questions from the workforce. He will be accompanied by U.S. House of Representatives Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer , who will introduce Secretary Panetta.

Time permitting, media will also receive a brief on F-35 test and evaluation as well as a tour of the F-35 manned flight simulator. Media interested in covering the Secretary’s F-35 town hall only will be accommodated.

This program would probably welcome a public affairs shot in the arm. It’s in a lot of budget-cutters’ crosshairs; its top officials are publicly regretting its “concurrent” development and production; and its Hill nemeses, notably Arizona Sen. John McCain, are keeping the vitriol flowing. This week he called the F-35 a “scandal” and “a national tragedy.”

So what’s the answer? You guessed it: Some nice video of Panetta watching a shiny jet zooming past — wow! — still photos of him in a hard hat talking to salt-of-the-earth engineers; maybe some hilarious shots of him trying on the pilots’ famous high-tech helmet. We know that for his part, Panetta supports the F-35. And the secretary wouldn’t subject himself to a media day like this unless he was confident the program was going to survive the big crunch — right?

Read more:
DoDBuzz.com

professor

Technical and performance problems with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter appear to be more numerous and more serious than anyone in the Department of Defense has been willing to concede publicly, according to a leaked Pentagon report obtained by the Star-Telegram.

Read more:


wine



"When you are forced to buy something from the government or be fined something is wrong."

"But wait, we're FORCED to buy F-35s by the government, that don't work and the Pentagon doesn't even want. How's THAT work for you?" ~Conversation over health care legislation... wink
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Dec 14, 2011 3:20 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
bohemianjack: 'Conservative' estimate?
Seems you may have misplaced a few zeros Conrad


SecDef plans first visit to F-35

Shame on us for thinking the unthinkable about the F-35.

How healthy is the world’s biggest defense program? Secretary Panetta himself plans to head down Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., for his first in-person encounter with the jet and the people who make it possible, DoD announced Wednesday. We just don’t know exactly when that’s going to happen.

The Pentagon first announced that Panetta was planning on heading to Pax River on Friday, but then it followed up with another announcement that something had come up and he had to postpone his trip until “early next year.” Still, it’s the thought that counts, right?

Here’s what Panetta would have done on Friday, per the first announcement:

At the F-35 test facility, the secretary will deliver brief remarks to one hundred fifty military and civilian personnel from the F-35 Integrated Test Force, and field questions from the workforce. He will be accompanied by U.S. House of Representatives Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer , who will introduce Secretary Panetta.

Time permitting, media will also receive a brief on F-35 test and evaluation as well as a tour of the F-35 manned flight simulator. Media interested in covering the Secretary’s F-35 town hall only will be accommodated.

This program would probably welcome a public affairs shot in the arm. It’s in a lot of budget-cutters’ crosshairs; its top officials are publicly regretting its “concurrent” development and production; and its Hill nemeses, notably Arizona Sen. John McCain, are keeping the vitriol flowing. This week he called the F-35 a “scandal” and “a national tragedy.”

So what’s the answer? You guessed it: Some nice video of Panetta watching a shiny jet zooming past — wow! — still photos of him in a hard hat talking to salt-of-the-earth engineers; maybe some hilarious shots of him trying on the pilots’ famous high-tech helmet. We know that for his part, Panetta supports the F-35. And the secretary wouldn’t subject himself to a media day like this unless he was confident the program was going to survive the big crunch — right?

Read more:
DoDBuzz.com



Technical and performance problems with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter appear to be more numerous and more serious than anyone in the Department of Defense has been willing to concede publicly, according to a leaked Pentagon report obtained by the Star-Telegram.

Read more:
"When you are forced to buy something from the government or be fined something is wrong."

"But wait, we're FORCED to buy F-35s by the government, that don't work and the Pentagon doesn't even want. How's THAT work for you?" ~Conversation over health care legislation...


The word is that Japanese want to buy the F-35. So rather than cancel the program...as most DEMs want to do .....costing the tax payers billions.....

Penetta is giving the F-35 program team time to write a solid contract with Japan. And maybe others......

If they get more than one country interested in the F-35, then the cost go down being shared by more than one country.

With the SKorean complaining that their China embassy was fired with a high velocity projectile. With the NKorean nuclear issue still up in the air. With South China Sea issue still up in the air. With the
Taiwan thing still up in the air.

It could be the Administration sees the F-35 as a possible military aircraft to help them keep the Asian balloon from going up in the air as well.

America, the arensal of democracy......
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Dec 14, 2011 3:24 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
bestbefore
bestbeforebestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK116 Threads 2 Polls 4,701 Posts
Now this does make sense.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

Remember, there IS a test coming up : The next elections.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


"SOME IDEAS ARE SO STUPID ONLY INTELLECTUALS BELIEVE THEM." George Orwell
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bestbefore: Now this does make sense.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan". All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A.... (substituting grades for dollars - something closer to home and more readily understood by all).

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.
It could not be any simpler than that.

Remember, there IS a test coming up : The next elections.


These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment:

1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity.

2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.

3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it!

5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.


"SOME IDEAS ARE SO STUPID ONLY INTELLECTUALS BELIEVE THEM." George Orwell
Got that right!laugh

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill
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Dec 15, 2011 5:43 AM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
mustbnutz: No problem Conrad......If the government runs runs out of money to pay for this they will just put it on the tab with China.If that does not work they will print about 40 trillion more worthless dollars. Problem solved.
Who cares....just pass it on to our great-great-great-great-great-great-great grand children.....
sad but true.
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Dec 16, 2011 9:40 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
Conrad73: Got that right!

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
-- Winston Churchill


Urban legend hmmm











Although considering this example, shouldn't the professor be fired and all students failed as none of them knew what socialism is... popcorn



wine



“The critic has to educate the public; the artist has to educate the critic.” Oscar Wildegrin
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Dec 17, 2011 2:54 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
bohemianjack: 'Conservative' estimate?
Seems you may have misplaced a few zeros Conrad


SecDef plans first visit to F-35

Shame on us for thinking the unthinkable about the F-35.

How healthy is the world’s biggest defense program? Secretary Panetta himself plans to head down Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., for his first in-person encounter with the jet and the people who make it possible, DoD announced Wednesday. We just don’t know exactly when that’s going to happen.

The Pentagon first announced that Panetta was planning on heading to Pax River on Friday, but then it followed up with another announcement that something had come up and he had to postpone his trip until “early next year.” Still, it’s the thought that counts, right?

Here’s what Panetta would have done on Friday, per the first announcement:

At the F-35 test facility, the secretary will deliver brief remarks to one hundred fifty military and civilian personnel from the F-35 Integrated Test Force, and field questions from the workforce. He will be accompanied by U.S. House of Representatives Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer , who will introduce Secretary Panetta.

Time permitting, media will also receive a brief on F-35 test and evaluation as well as a tour of the F-35 manned flight simulator. Media interested in covering the Secretary’s F-35 town hall only will be accommodated.

This program would probably welcome a public affairs shot in the arm. It’s in a lot of budget-cutters’ crosshairs; its top officials are publicly regretting its “concurrent” development and production; and its Hill nemeses, notably Arizona Sen. John McCain, are keeping the vitriol flowing. This week he called the F-35 a “scandal” and “a national tragedy.”

So what’s the answer? You guessed it: Some nice video of Panetta watching a shiny jet zooming past — wow! — still photos of him in a hard hat talking to salt-of-the-earth engineers; maybe some hilarious shots of him trying on the pilots’ famous high-tech helmet. We know that for his part, Panetta supports the F-35. And the secretary wouldn’t subject himself to a media day like this unless he was confident the program was going to survive the big crunch — right?

Read more:
DoDBuzz.com



Technical and performance problems with the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter appear to be more numerous and more serious than anyone in the Department of Defense has been willing to concede publicly, according to a leaked Pentagon report obtained by the Star-Telegram.

Read more:
"When you are forced to buy something from the government or be fined something is wrong."

"But wait, we're FORCED to buy F-35s by the government, that don't work and the Pentagon doesn't even want. How's THAT work for you?" ~Conversation over health care legislation...
Holy Crap,they personally fine you for not buying that Aircraft?wow
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Dec 17, 2011 4:08 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
a real Sledgehammer-approach that Oblama-Care!
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Dec 17, 2011 4:30 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Conrad73: $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.

30 million recipients.

Divide.

$530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.
Wowee,one hefty price!


I think your figures are off. It's FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!


Obama said so! rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 17, 2011 4:32 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Conrad73: $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.

30 million recipients.

Divide.

$530,000 per person, per year, for insurance coverage.
Wowee,one hefty price!



Just think how many solar panels that would have bought. grin
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Dec 17, 2011 4:36 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
Conrad73: OMG,how could I make a half-million Dollar mistake!
Of course it is free when the Exalted One says so!
uh oh rolling on the floor laughing
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Dec 17, 2011 6:18 PM CST $1.6 Trillion Obamacare.
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Conrad73: OMG,how could I make a hal-million Dollar mistake!
Of course it is free when the Exalted One says so!


Careful Conrad...I feel the Obama National athem coming on....laugh
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