Fear vs Fearless ( Archived) (75)

The potential for conscious rebirth exists within one's pain. As long as the past has a hold on you, all of your subsequent steps are characterized by your past steps. Like wearing down a shoe? Each step becomes dependant on previous wear and tear, forming the character of next step. Maybe a bad analogy but .. makes sense?

It becomes layered pain when we don't process that pain properly. But processing it creates rebirth because they (the emotions) then become experience, and memories. They're no longer 'judged' and as such they have no power over you or your choices. When done right, of course. If one still has feelings of mistrust, anger, sadness, etc. anything other than 'alone', then emotional processing hasn't been done right.

The change in self is from, existing in pain, to compassionate self and rebirth. It's about getting to being present and unencumbered by one's past emotions and their tangential emotions.

The judgement that comes with one's pain is usually far more grave than any judgement we apply to pleasurable things yes? ... and as such has greater ability to alter the self or perhaps a better phrase would be to balance self which would be akin to being without judgment.





I'd say quite the opposite, that learning has a great affect on our motivation and perception. What we're taught; the things we're told to do about our emotions is and has been influential and detrimentally so.

Very few people, in my experience, handle their fear very well and consequently the emotions that arise from it. We're taught or worse, just told, to mistrust, to move on, to forgive and forget, to fix things, to solve for alone and none of that processes the emotional fear in a compassionate light (to self or others). That is how that learning that affects our perception.

That type of learning imo, results in dis-ease when one would be hoping to arrive, at-ease. Can't get there from here.




I think this is the same as your statement as above, ..just reworded? There's nothing wrong with pleasure but I don't think the mind is 'deceivable" in this case, at least not enough to undermine what one's unprocessed emotions are doing to them below the surface. In other words where the mind knows pain, I think it is fruitless to try to convince the mind otherwise. Better to process the pain in it's truthful form I would think.

The argument of paradigm change is paradoxical, you just can't get there from attempting to change the reference point. It is what it is, already happened. Anything else is lying to yourself and that leads to more layering of emotion -> dis-ease.

Pain and emotion are good things and the fact that that is so hard for people to fathom shows how ingrained the teaching is for us to avoid them, or distract ourselves, or to bury them at all costs.

If you're referring to physical pain/pleasure, that's an entirely different aspect that may have roots in the emotional arena and in one's own particular view; but not necessarily. Having said that, in any of these cases, we can't ignore the fact that humans are constantly trying to solve for 'alone' and out of that comes fears and emotions that we're trying to 'overcome' rather than process. It makes sense really, that you can't overcome what has already happened. We just aren't equipped. But you can process it.

There is much to be admired in many religions. I eschew fanatisism, not neccesarily religion.I would describe myself as spiritual rather than religious. O and Im rather fearless about it

I don't know the dynamics in place here, history, behaviors, mental conditions. From a psychological point of view, processing emotional pain isn't about re-experiencing past events, or correction for that matter, it's about rebirthing the spirit.

What you're doing in a scholastic environment may be good, in the sense that it serves as a distraction from the basic fear of alone, lonely hurt and afraid. That's pretty much a human being. I'm not saying the distraction isn't useful because it can be helpful to get the mind away from their emotional turmoil; but in the end, if not dealt with, every step carries the mud picked up in the previous step. You want to unburden your steps yes. Makes sense?




Does it? All kinds of things follow emotion, just as all kinds of things follow logic. Some people can't tell the difference between emotion and logic but I doubt that a blanket statement like logic always follows emotion has any useable truth to it.


Perhaps what you meant to convey was that sometimes 'clarity' follows emotion? I'm not sure that that would be true either. I would agree that properly processed emotions could or would more likely be followed by clarity and more logical decisions in the present. Not sure that would be guaranteed either.



Not really. The may be some circumstantial proof of this, but it is again an attempt to distract or fool the mind and for those who's lives are consistently or continually assailed, there will be little pleasure to find. The fear is there, inherent, maybe genetic, or as some in the chakra field suggest, basic to our lives. Distraction isn't processing. However; processing can be pleasurable.

We have been taught to distract ourselves, and to bury emotion. I don't think you can substitute pleasure for pain but you can through processing find that the result is pleasurable which could alter your perception and experience of pain including your motivation toward experiencing it. Again, 'learning' influences motivation and perception, not the other way round, though it would be re-affirming in sequence.

It becomes paradoxical again that you can find pleasure in fear/pain by properly processing the pain/emotion; but I think the thrust of what you're saying is to merely substitute one for the other? I think that learning the way would be more advantageous, since the mind has a hard time with just accepting abrupt behavioral change without some sort of processed verification.

thank you BB_snickers

note to self:
work on mud removal
learn more about rebirthing
be fearless