Is this what they mean by a Welfare State? (144)
mbcasey: Seems to me the phrase "pay their fair share" needs to be defined. The lower 50% of US taxpayers pay no federal income tax. They do pay payroll taxes which include funds for Social Security, which they will get back more than they pay in, and money for current recipiants of medicare/medicaid. They will get that too when they retire.
The lower 50% pay nothing for the federal highways they drive on, the military which protects them, the border patrol which also protects, etc, etc. Maybe I am missing something here? Is the op opposed to "fair share" being defined as the lower 50% need to pay more in taxes, not zero?
Also the lower 50% not only pay zero, they get money back when they subtract their deductions and exemptions including the earned income tax credit. So the lower 50% receives money from the top 50% and free use of all federal programs and expenditures. How many people outside the US know that?
So what is "fair share" again?
Socialism, liberalism, whatever you want to call the redistribution of wealth has NEVER worked anywhere on the planet. Why are people trying to repeat the failures of the past? Is it ego? Do they know what they are doing but the past and present socialists don't know what they are doing?
Greed goes both ways. Yes, some in corporations are greedy. We have a check and balance system in place with private and public overseers. The stockholders and the FCC do the regulatory work, but who watches the government? The biggest bunch of frauds, greedy, criminals are located in Washington DC. Unions are also greedy. The average union worker makes more than a non union worker. The pension funds and retirement plans are exorbinant which is killing jobs. No wonder corps locate manufacturing overseas. They can get labor at a much lower cost. And these same union workers whine about losing their jobs?
To me the greed of the socialist is hurtful and even deadly to the human race. How many people have been slaughtered in countries with left winged gov'ts in history? If you want a socialist gov't, go live in Cuba. Maybe you will be a good member of the state and get a bag of beans at the end of the month. If you do not follow the line, you won't get your bonus but you will get your tongue cut out.
So occupy this....
The lower 50% pay nothing for the federal highways they drive on, the military which protects them, the border patrol which also protects, etc, etc. Maybe I am missing something here? Is the op opposed to "fair share" being defined as the lower 50% need to pay more in taxes, not zero?
Also the lower 50% not only pay zero, they get money back when they subtract their deductions and exemptions including the earned income tax credit. So the lower 50% receives money from the top 50% and free use of all federal programs and expenditures. How many people outside the US know that?
So what is "fair share" again?
Socialism, liberalism, whatever you want to call the redistribution of wealth has NEVER worked anywhere on the planet. Why are people trying to repeat the failures of the past? Is it ego? Do they know what they are doing but the past and present socialists don't know what they are doing?
Greed goes both ways. Yes, some in corporations are greedy. We have a check and balance system in place with private and public overseers. The stockholders and the FCC do the regulatory work, but who watches the government? The biggest bunch of frauds, greedy, criminals are located in Washington DC. Unions are also greedy. The average union worker makes more than a non union worker. The pension funds and retirement plans are exorbinant which is killing jobs. No wonder corps locate manufacturing overseas. They can get labor at a much lower cost. And these same union workers whine about losing their jobs?
To me the greed of the socialist is hurtful and even deadly to the human race. How many people have been slaughtered in countries with left winged gov'ts in history? If you want a socialist gov't, go live in Cuba. Maybe you will be a good member of the state and get a bag of beans at the end of the month. If you do not follow the line, you won't get your bonus but you will get your tongue cut out.
So occupy this....
I agree with a lot of what you say,but you need to go back to school when you say that the lower 50% don`t pay for the highways that they drive on. News flash! Everyone that fills up at the pump pays for new highway construction and maintaing existing highways. Income tax has zero to do with highways in the US.
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mustbnutz: I agree with a lot of what you say,but you need to go back to school when you say that the lower 50% don`t pay for the highways that they drive on. News flash! Everyone that fills up at the pump pays for new highway construction and maintaing existing highways. Income tax has zero to do with highways in the US.
And what happened to the second bill of Rights?
Surely Franklin Delano Roosevelt would be so angry if he lived to see what happened to his vision in reality later. Only to see millions of Americans losing thier homes through the century's biggest house mortgage scam by the capitalist elite.
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