Living cost in your country? (72)
alonerdo: Lifeisadream, what do you understand by: a comfortable stay in Mexico?
Sorry, I do not want to sound snobbish, I have lived in Amsterdam, Paris and Barcelona, alone, and with some Spanish family, before the economic crisis, a taxi driver, Parisian, could go on vacation to Cancun two weeks, a couple of occasions , a year.
And, taking as a starting point that an average citizen of northern Europe, during the last 20 years, has had a quality of life, superior to the Mexican middle class has, with this knowledge, I have dared to put this figure.If you do not know my lifestyle, how did you dare to question my very personal, opinion?
Sorry, I do not want to sound snobbish, I have lived in Amsterdam, Paris and Barcelona, alone, and with some Spanish family, before the economic crisis, a taxi driver, Parisian, could go on vacation to Cancun two weeks, a couple of occasions , a year.
And, taking as a starting point that an average citizen of northern Europe, during the last 20 years, has had a quality of life, superior to the Mexican middle class has, with this knowledge, I have dared to put this figure.If you do not know my lifestyle, how did you dare to question my very personal, opinion?
I do not want to sound snobbish either.
However, I have also lived in USA and visited: Canada, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Panama, Colombia, France, Spain, Monaco, Italy, Holland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, London, Czech Republic, Iceland, Greenland, Turkey, Egypt, Belgium,....
Could you be more specific on your Snobbish way of living costs?
Groceries cost?
Housing cost?
Utilities cost?
etc...
(if you take table wine, which brand(s) do you get and how much does it cost?)
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alonerdo: ....
Do you remember what –not long ago- a Mexican Treasure Minister said for the cost of living of a “family” ?
Which cost him his job and his political career.
Do you???
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70 m2 around 1+1 house = 300 €
electricity = 50 €
water = 25 €
natural gas = 100 €
internet = 20 €
( for monthly)
breakfast = 3 - 5 €
lunch = 5 - 7 €
dinner = 5 - 7 €
dieseloil = 1,8 €
bus ticket = 1 €
cigaret = 3,5 €
beer = 2 €
bread pcs = 0,7 €
tomato = 1,5 €
meat kg = 10 €
chicken pcs = 2 €
8 eggs = 2 €
electricity = 50 €
water = 25 €
natural gas = 100 €
internet = 20 €
( for monthly)
breakfast = 3 - 5 €
lunch = 5 - 7 €
dinner = 5 - 7 €
dieseloil = 1,8 €
bus ticket = 1 €
cigaret = 3,5 €
beer = 2 €
bread pcs = 0,7 €
tomato = 1,5 €
meat kg = 10 €
chicken pcs = 2 €
8 eggs = 2 €
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olaix: What could you get away with in living cost in your country?
Where I live, the average apartment 65m2 is about 1k Euro, but can go up to double if one add a bit of size and triple if you add flavor of the month standard.
Gasoline is about 2 euro/ liter, a dinner out is about 20-30 euro (depending on what you eat of course, fast food is about 10 euro for a burger), my personal food budget is about 100 euro/ week (could live cheaper if I made more myself), a .5 liter coca cola is 2.5 euro if i remember correctly, a heineken .33 is 4 euro, a pack of 20 cigarettes (for those who smoke) is about 12 euro. 1 liter milk is about 2 euro and a piece of bread is 3 euro.
feel free to add more details.
Where I live, the average apartment 65m2 is about 1k Euro, but can go up to double if one add a bit of size and triple if you add flavor of the month standard.
Gasoline is about 2 euro/ liter, a dinner out is about 20-30 euro (depending on what you eat of course, fast food is about 10 euro for a burger), my personal food budget is about 100 euro/ week (could live cheaper if I made more myself), a .5 liter coca cola is 2.5 euro if i remember correctly, a heineken .33 is 4 euro, a pack of 20 cigarettes (for those who smoke) is about 12 euro. 1 liter milk is about 2 euro and a piece of bread is 3 euro.
feel free to add more details.
I have been following this thread here and there, I thought I should point out that in the USA the cost of living might be stated on the web in some "generalized" numbers but when it comes to reality the cost of living varies from state to state, even within the state in specific cities or especially unincorporated areas where it is not a city. There are places in the Mid-West that are so much less expensive in real estate and the cost of Gas and so on. Even here in Oregon where we pay a state tax but do not have a sales tax, we border with Washington State where they do have a sales tax making it very different for the people that live in the different areas. Places like LA, San Diego, New York can be extremely more expensive, to the point where many can not afford these parts of the USA. When i see generalized numbers for the entire USA it really gives a misconception on what life here is like.
There was a girl I met and went to visit in Manila. Because she had only visited Santa Monica, Las Vegas and New York her idea of the way of life and cost of living was extremely different than that of many that live in Portland. Portland is higher than it should in my opinion..
....maybe because I see people living under bridges and in tents right on the sidewalk close to overpasses and then very wealthy living, driving by and handing out cash to some of these people. The people that I see struggling and it is hard to watch is the ones losing their grip financially and mentally being put to a test of their own morality and whether they will keep their homes and when they go to finally ask for help will they lose their pride and just decide to dye, if not in spirit only. It is like watching a group of people sliding down the side of a hill into a drowning waters and a champagne party going on not far, so close as to see but not acknowledge, and at the end of the waters a few that live in the rocks and mud eating the garbage and evolving into something that is not what they ever thought would be for them. Nikogas
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I pay $290 NZ dollars a week which is about 715 euros a month for a 150m2 house on half acre with garage. i spend about 280 euros on food for me and 3 kids a mnth. milk here is 2.22 euros for 2 litres, gas is 1.5 euro litre.
cigarettes are now about 10 euros for 20, 90% taxed by our govt. hell I thought it was expensive to live over here, considering we dont import meat or milk, and I make my own eggs and chickens. Remind me not to live in Norway til I win Lotto
cigarettes are now about 10 euros for 20, 90% taxed by our govt. hell I thought it was expensive to live over here, considering we dont import meat or milk, and I make my own eggs and chickens. Remind me not to live in Norway til I win Lotto
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olaix: What could you get away with in living cost in your country?
Where I live, the average apartment 65m2 is about 1k Euro, but can go up to double if one add a bit of size and triple if you add flavor of the month standard.
Gasoline is about 2 euro/ liter, a dinner out is about 20-30 euro (depending on what you eat of course, fast food is about 10 euro for a burger), my personal food budget is about 100 euro/ week (could live cheaper if I made more myself), a .5 liter coca cola is 2.5 euro if i remember correctly, a heineken .33 is 4 euro, a pack of 20 cigarettes (for those who smoke) is about 12 euro. 1 liter milk is about 2 euro and a piece of bread is 3 euro.
feel free to add more details.
Where I live, the average apartment 65m2 is about 1k Euro, but can go up to double if one add a bit of size and triple if you add flavor of the month standard.
Gasoline is about 2 euro/ liter, a dinner out is about 20-30 euro (depending on what you eat of course, fast food is about 10 euro for a burger), my personal food budget is about 100 euro/ week (could live cheaper if I made more myself), a .5 liter coca cola is 2.5 euro if i remember correctly, a heineken .33 is 4 euro, a pack of 20 cigarettes (for those who smoke) is about 12 euro. 1 liter milk is about 2 euro and a piece of bread is 3 euro.
feel free to add more details.
More expensive food in your country, but otherwise seems like all the same. Dinner though here would be 20-30 euro in not a very good place. I pay 260 for a tiny room alone in shared house, plus electricity. We don't heat because we want to eat, ha ha!
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Hmm... Rent here varies by size and neighborhood.
50 m^2 rent here ranges from 250-600 E (10 km from downtown F) depending on how fancy the place is.
Identical place downtown Frankfurt 600-100 E
Purchase price varies along the same lines btwn 1,500 E/m^2 - 4,000 E/m^2
In NJ (princeton) rent was 2000 USD - 2,300 USD for a 2-3 BR.
Gas 1.60 E/Liter (approx $ 4 a US Gallon)
Cigs 4 E for a pack of 20
I spend about 200-250 E on food a month. Food is cheap here. Cheaper than in France, I know that.
Coffee, Freeze dried (okay.. the really fancy Highland, fair trade, bio stuff) is about 3 E /100 g glas
3 big red bell peppers - 2 E
Pack of 5 Brats - 1.50 E
Chicken titties without skin, filet - 3 E per pound
Turkey blogna - 1.30 E
Skim milk - 0.70 per 1.5 Liters
Can of mandarin oranges - 70 cents
9 french rolls (broetchen) - 1 Euro
1 whole pineapple - 2 E
Health insurance private one can buy for 100 E a month up to 400 a month without lifetime caps (caps are illegal here). State insured people have a co-pay of 10 E for pharma and doctors visits per quarter.
50 m^2 rent here ranges from 250-600 E (10 km from downtown F) depending on how fancy the place is.
Identical place downtown Frankfurt 600-100 E
Purchase price varies along the same lines btwn 1,500 E/m^2 - 4,000 E/m^2
In NJ (princeton) rent was 2000 USD - 2,300 USD for a 2-3 BR.
Gas 1.60 E/Liter (approx $ 4 a US Gallon)
Cigs 4 E for a pack of 20
I spend about 200-250 E on food a month. Food is cheap here. Cheaper than in France, I know that.
Coffee, Freeze dried (okay.. the really fancy Highland, fair trade, bio stuff) is about 3 E /100 g glas
3 big red bell peppers - 2 E
Pack of 5 Brats - 1.50 E
Chicken titties without skin, filet - 3 E per pound
Turkey blogna - 1.30 E
Skim milk - 0.70 per 1.5 Liters
Can of mandarin oranges - 70 cents
9 french rolls (broetchen) - 1 Euro
1 whole pineapple - 2 E
Health insurance private one can buy for 100 E a month up to 400 a month without lifetime caps (caps are illegal here). State insured people have a co-pay of 10 E for pharma and doctors visits per quarter.
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Nikogas: I have been following this thread here and there, I thought I should point out that in the USA the cost of living might be stated on the web in some "generalized" numbers but when it comes to reality the cost of living varies from state to state, even within the state in specific cities or especially unincorporated areas where it is not a city. There are places in the Mid-West that are so much less expensive in real estate and the cost of Gas and so on. Even here in Oregon where we pay a state tax but do not have a sales tax, we border with Washington State where they do have a sales tax making it very different for the people that live in the different areas. Places like LA, San Diego, New York can be extremely more expensive, to the point where many can not afford these parts of the USA. When i see generalized numbers for the entire USA it really gives a misconception on what life here is like.
There was a girl I met and went to visit in Manila. Because she had only visited Santa Monica, Las Vegas and New York her idea of the way of life and cost of living was extremely different than that of many that live in Portland. Portland is higher than it should in my opinion.. ....maybe because I see people living under bridges and in tents right on the sidewalk close to overpasses and then very wealthy living, driving by and handing out cash to some of these people. The people that I see struggling and it is hard to watch is the ones losing their grip financially and mentally being put to a test of their own morality and whether they will keep their homes and when they go to finally ask for help will they lose their pride and just decide to dye, if not in spirit only. It is like watching a group of people sliding down the side of a hill into a drowning waters and a champagne party going on not far, so close as to see but not acknowledge, and at the end of the waters a few that live in the rocks and mud eating the garbage and evolving into something that is not what they ever thought would be for them.
Nikogas
There was a girl I met and went to visit in Manila. Because she had only visited Santa Monica, Las Vegas and New York her idea of the way of life and cost of living was extremely different than that of many that live in Portland. Portland is higher than it should in my opinion.. ....maybe because I see people living under bridges and in tents right on the sidewalk close to overpasses and then very wealthy living, driving by and handing out cash to some of these people. The people that I see struggling and it is hard to watch is the ones losing their grip financially and mentally being put to a test of their own morality and whether they will keep their homes and when they go to finally ask for help will they lose their pride and just decide to dye, if not in spirit only. It is like watching a group of people sliding down the side of a hill into a drowning waters and a champagne party going on not far, so close as to see but not acknowledge, and at the end of the waters a few that live in the rocks and mud eating the garbage and evolving into something that is not what they ever thought would be for them.
Nikogas
I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote. I kept a flat in Princeton, NJ and when my rent (without utilities) hit 2,000 a month. Within a 25 mile radius, the cheapest dump you could rent was a 1 BR "starting!" at 1,200/mo. Living in the city (NYC) has become unaffordable for more or less normal people. Last numbers I read was that unless you earn an absolute minimum of 150K a year, you cannot even live in NJ anymore. Consequently a lot of people left.
When I went back to NYC a few months ago, my son and I were looking at property in the west village.. Lowest rent 7,000 a month, average 15,000 a month.
There is no way in hell that I'd move back there permanently... and I'd be a monkey's aunt if I bought some shack out in the Poconos with a 2 hour commute to and from civilization.
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Sorry.. didn't proofread.. when the rent hit 2000 a month, I packed it in and moved to Europe.
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olaix: Wages are high, but we are sucked blood in tax :D
Ontario Canada too...
1/3 of our income goes to government for taxes. Then we have to live off the rest...I eat cat food
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Rent:
70m2 house in a nice neighbourhood with a 30m2 backyard = 390 euro/month
Buying same house listed above = 110,000 Euro
1 lettuce = 1 Euro
1 lt Milk = 1 Euro
1 0,5 lt Coke = 1,5 Euro
1 ticket public bus = 0,5 Euro
My own electricity bill = 24 Euro
Internet = cheapest /slowest plan = 20 Euro
Minimum Salary = 300 Euro
70m2 house in a nice neighbourhood with a 30m2 backyard = 390 euro/month
Buying same house listed above = 110,000 Euro
1 lettuce = 1 Euro
1 lt Milk = 1 Euro
1 0,5 lt Coke = 1,5 Euro
1 ticket public bus = 0,5 Euro
My own electricity bill = 24 Euro
Internet = cheapest /slowest plan = 20 Euro
Minimum Salary = 300 Euro
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A country’s highest standard of living, does not guarantee that each and every one citizen gets it.
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Lifeisadream, what do you understand by: a comfortable stay in Mexico?
Sorry, I do not want to sound snobbish, I have lived in Amsterdam, Paris and Barcelona, alone, and with some Spanish family, before the economic crisis, a taxi driver, Parisian, could go on vacation to Cancun two weeks, a couple of occasions , a year.
And, taking as a starting point that an average citizen of northern Europe, during the last 20 years, has had a quality of life, superior to the Mexican middle class has, with this knowledge, I have dared to put this figure.
If you do not know my lifestyle, how did you dare to question my very personal, opinion?