Breivek not Insane !!! (119)
But to some, the diagnosis has broader implications in how the attacks are viewed.
“If he's insane, it's very hard to pin it on anybody else,” said Hans Rustad, who runs one of the many right-wing, anti-Islamic blogs that Breivik cited in an online manifesto before the attacks.
In his 1,500-page document, Breivik claimed to be part of a secret right-wing militia modeled after the medieval Christian military order known as the Knights Templar. Its goal, he claimed, was to purge Europe of Muslim influence in a revolution that would target what he called “cultural Marxists” in the initial phase.
Investigators have found no trace of the group and say Breivik plotted and carried out the attacks on his own. A leaked copy of the initial psychiatric examination described his crusader fantasy as a token of the “bizarre, grandiose delusions” of a sick mind.
A diagnosis of insanity would make it easier for far-right bloggers and politicians to dissociate their political views from Breivik. They have denounced his attacks as the work of a madman.
But some suggest they have a degree of moral responsibility for agitating online against Muslims.
“To me it's obvious that even if he is insane there is definitely a political element,” said Oeyvind Stroemmen, a Norwegian Green Party member who had warned before the attacks that hardening anti-Muslim attitudes in Europe could turn violent.
Breivik was charged with terrorism and premeditated murder last month in an indictment that traced his steps from parking a van with a 2,100-pound (950-kilogram) fertilizer bomb outside a building housing the prime minister's office at 3:17 p.m. to his surrender to police on Utoya island three hours and 18 minutes later.
Eight people died in the bombing, while 69 people — mostly teenagers — were killed on Utoya. Dozens more were wounded as the gunman, disguised as a police officer, opened fire on unsuspecting youths gathered for an annual summer retreat.
In the indictment prosecutors assumed that Breivik was mentally ill and said they would seek compulsory psychiatric care instead of imprisonment unless new information about his mental health emerged.
The latest psychiatric report was confidential, but national broadcaster NRK and other Norwegian media who claimed to have seen its conclusions said it described Breivik as narcissistic but not psychotic.
Prosecutor Inga Beijer Eng told the AP on Tuesday it was too early to say which of the assessments would be given most weight. “We will not decide on what kind of punishment we will ask for until the end of the trial,” she said.
Breivik's lawyers said before Easter they plan to call radical Islamists and right-wing extremists to testify during the trial in an attempt to show that there are other people who share his world view.
Lippestad said the point is to prove that there is a narrow group of like-minded people who “look at things the same way, who are of the opinion that we are in war, the Muslim and the Christian world.
“If he's insane, it's very hard to pin it on anybody else,” said Hans Rustad, who runs one of the many right-wing, anti-Islamic blogs that Breivik cited in an online manifesto before the attacks.
In his 1,500-page document, Breivik claimed to be part of a secret right-wing militia modeled after the medieval Christian military order known as the Knights Templar. Its goal, he claimed, was to purge Europe of Muslim influence in a revolution that would target what he called “cultural Marxists” in the initial phase.
Investigators have found no trace of the group and say Breivik plotted and carried out the attacks on his own. A leaked copy of the initial psychiatric examination described his crusader fantasy as a token of the “bizarre, grandiose delusions” of a sick mind.
A diagnosis of insanity would make it easier for far-right bloggers and politicians to dissociate their political views from Breivik. They have denounced his attacks as the work of a madman.
But some suggest they have a degree of moral responsibility for agitating online against Muslims.
“To me it's obvious that even if he is insane there is definitely a political element,” said Oeyvind Stroemmen, a Norwegian Green Party member who had warned before the attacks that hardening anti-Muslim attitudes in Europe could turn violent.
Breivik was charged with terrorism and premeditated murder last month in an indictment that traced his steps from parking a van with a 2,100-pound (950-kilogram) fertilizer bomb outside a building housing the prime minister's office at 3:17 p.m. to his surrender to police on Utoya island three hours and 18 minutes later.
Eight people died in the bombing, while 69 people — mostly teenagers — were killed on Utoya. Dozens more were wounded as the gunman, disguised as a police officer, opened fire on unsuspecting youths gathered for an annual summer retreat.
In the indictment prosecutors assumed that Breivik was mentally ill and said they would seek compulsory psychiatric care instead of imprisonment unless new information about his mental health emerged.
The latest psychiatric report was confidential, but national broadcaster NRK and other Norwegian media who claimed to have seen its conclusions said it described Breivik as narcissistic but not psychotic.
Prosecutor Inga Beijer Eng told the AP on Tuesday it was too early to say which of the assessments would be given most weight. “We will not decide on what kind of punishment we will ask for until the end of the trial,” she said.
Breivik's lawyers said before Easter they plan to call radical Islamists and right-wing extremists to testify during the trial in an attempt to show that there are other people who share his world view.
Lippestad said the point is to prove that there is a narrow group of like-minded people who “look at things the same way, who are of the opinion that we are in war, the Muslim and the Christian world.
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vinny1967: OSLO—When Anders Behring Breivik goes on trial next week, both the prosecution and the defence will say he killed 77 people in a bomb-and-shooting massacre that jolted the world's image of terrorism.
The only question now is whether the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was sane when he did it — and after a new psychiatric assessment Tuesday, even that may no longer be in dispute.
“Our conclusion is that he (was) not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now,” Terje Toerrissen, one of the psychiatrists who examined Breivik in prison, told the Associated Press.
The twin attacks on July 22 — a bomb in Oslo's government district followed by a shooting spree at the governing Labor Party's youth camp outside the capital — brutally shocked Norway and reminded the West of terror threats other than Al Qaeda.
The blonde, blue-eyed gunman surrendered to police on a lakeside island where the bodies of his many teenage victims lay scattered. He claimed he was the Islamic terror group's antithesis, a modern-day crusader waging a war against Islam in Europe.
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
The psychiatric report presented to the Oslo district court on Tuesday backed up Breivik's own claim that he is sane, and contradicted an earlier assessment that declared him psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. That first diagnosis was met widespread criticism, prompting the court to order the second review.
Breivik's defence lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said the new report means Breivik's testimony will be crucial “when the judges decide whether he is insane or not.” The trial starts Monday and is scheduled to last 10 weeks.
Asked whether Breivik will defend his actions in court, Lippestad said: “He won't only defend it, he will also regret that he didn't go further.”
It's up to the judges to decide whether Breivik is mentally competent to be sentenced to prison. If not, he will be committed to compulsory psychiatric care. Either way, there are provisions in Norwegian law that could keep the 33-year-old locked up for the rest of his life.
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The only question now is whether the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was sane when he did it — and after a new psychiatric assessment Tuesday, even that may no longer be in dispute.
“Our conclusion is that he (was) not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now,” Terje Toerrissen, one of the psychiatrists who examined Breivik in prison, told the Associated Press.
The twin attacks on July 22 — a bomb in Oslo's government district followed by a shooting spree at the governing Labor Party's youth camp outside the capital — brutally shocked Norway and reminded the West of terror threats other than Al Qaeda.
The blonde, blue-eyed gunman surrendered to police on a lakeside island where the bodies of his many teenage victims lay scattered. He claimed he was the Islamic terror group's antithesis, a modern-day crusader waging a war against Islam in Europe.
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
The psychiatric report presented to the Oslo district court on Tuesday backed up Breivik's own claim that he is sane, and contradicted an earlier assessment that declared him psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. That first diagnosis was met widespread criticism, prompting the court to order the second review.
Breivik's defence lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said the new report means Breivik's testimony will be crucial “when the judges decide whether he is insane or not.” The trial starts Monday and is scheduled to last 10 weeks.
Asked whether Breivik will defend his actions in court, Lippestad said: “He won't only defend it, he will also regret that he didn't go further.”
It's up to the judges to decide whether Breivik is mentally competent to be sentenced to prison. If not, he will be committed to compulsory psychiatric care. Either way, there are provisions in Norwegian law that could keep the 33-year-old locked up for the rest of his life.
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The mind boggles when a Defence lawyer comments in such a fashion.
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bestbefore: The mind boggles when a Defence lawyer comments in such a fashion.
It seems there will be a lot more on trial here than Breivek's guilt.
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bestbefore: The mind boggles when a Defence lawyer comments in such a fashion.
Unbelievable, however, I'm sure this guy will never know freedom again, and rightly so.
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Legal Insanity and Clinical Insanity are two Horses of a different Color!
Main-thing is that he'll go away for a long time in either Case!
Main-thing is that he'll go away for a long time in either Case!
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This story is not about "one lone nut".
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
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RayfromUSA: This story is not about "one lone nut".
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
That's a pretty nauseating comment, considering how many young people were slaughtered in cold blood.
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vinny1967: OSLO—When Anders Behring Breivik goes on trial next week, both the prosecution and the defence will say he killed 77 people in a bomb-and-shooting massacre that jolted the world's image of terrorism.
The only question now is whether the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was sane when he did it — and after a new psychiatric assessment Tuesday, even that may no longer be in dispute.
“Our conclusion is that he (was) not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now,” Terje Toerrissen, one of the psychiatrists who examined Breivik in prison, told the Associated Press.
some people are clever and try hide behind the cover of schizophrenia, but are soon found out by trained psychiarists.
The twin attacks on July 22 — a bomb in Oslo's government district followed by a shooting spree at the governing Labor Party's youth camp outside the capital — brutally shocked Norway and reminded the West of terror threats other than Al Qaeda.
The blonde, blue-eyed gunman surrendered to police on a lakeside island where the bodies of his many teenage victims lay scattered. He claimed he was the Islamic terror group's antithesis, a modern-day crusader waging a war against Islam in Europe.
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
The psychiatric report presented to the Oslo district court on Tuesday backed up Breivik's own claim that he is sane, and contradicted an earlier assessment that declared him psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. That first diagnosis was met widespread criticism, prompting the court to order the second review.
Breivik's defence lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said the new report means Breivik's testimony will be crucial “when the judges decide whether he is insane or not.” The trial starts Monday and is scheduled to last 10 weeks.
Asked whether Breivik will defend his actions in court, Lippestad said: “He won't only defend it, he will also regret that he didn't go further.”
It's up to the judges to decide whether Breivik is mentally competent to be sentenced to prison. If not, he will be committed to compulsory psychiatric care. Either way, there are provisions in Norwegian law that could keep the 33-year-old locked up for the rest of his life.
cont
The only question now is whether the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was sane when he did it — and after a new psychiatric assessment Tuesday, even that may no longer be in dispute.
“Our conclusion is that he (was) not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now,” Terje Toerrissen, one of the psychiatrists who examined Breivik in prison, told the Associated Press.
some people are clever and try hide behind the cover of schizophrenia, but are soon found out by trained psychiarists.
The twin attacks on July 22 — a bomb in Oslo's government district followed by a shooting spree at the governing Labor Party's youth camp outside the capital — brutally shocked Norway and reminded the West of terror threats other than Al Qaeda.
The blonde, blue-eyed gunman surrendered to police on a lakeside island where the bodies of his many teenage victims lay scattered. He claimed he was the Islamic terror group's antithesis, a modern-day crusader waging a war against Islam in Europe.
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
The psychiatric report presented to the Oslo district court on Tuesday backed up Breivik's own claim that he is sane, and contradicted an earlier assessment that declared him psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. That first diagnosis was met widespread criticism, prompting the court to order the second review.
Breivik's defence lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said the new report means Breivik's testimony will be crucial “when the judges decide whether he is insane or not.” The trial starts Monday and is scheduled to last 10 weeks.
Asked whether Breivik will defend his actions in court, Lippestad said: “He won't only defend it, he will also regret that he didn't go further.”
It's up to the judges to decide whether Breivik is mentally competent to be sentenced to prison. If not, he will be committed to compulsory psychiatric care. Either way, there are provisions in Norwegian law that could keep the 33-year-old locked up for the rest of his life.
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bestbefore: That's a pretty nauseating comment, considering how many young people were slaughtered in cold blood.
Yes it is, and he killed dozens of young, white people. For what???
This is so sad.
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some can try to hide under the cover of schizophrenia as way of demeANING THERE GUILT, but are mostly found out by a psychirist, ya know it makes me discontented when someone that does such horror, that all people who are dignosed are sweep into the same group and are looked upon as a possible evil person
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bestbefore: That's a pretty nauseating comment, considering how many young people were slaughtered in cold blood.
look at the Source!
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Conrad73: look at the Source!
I did notice.
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bestbefore: That's a pretty nauseating comment, considering how many young people were slaughtered in cold blood.
????
I have No idea what "nauseating comment" you are referring to.
Please precise.
Apparently you totally misread something.
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RayfromUSA: ????
I have No idea what "nauseating comment" you are referring to.
Please precise.
Apparently you totally misread something.
I have No idea what "nauseating comment" you are referring to.
Please precise.
Apparently you totally misread something.
Well it was highlighted and others saw it. Go back and read it.
Didn't misread anything. Just commented on your phraseology.
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RayfromUSA: This story is not about "one lone nut".
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
Insane or not what he did was a crime to humanity and I doubt he was alone. There must be a dominant mind behind him with some other accomplices as well.
But he committed the crime and he has to pay for it but it will never be enough. It will never bring back those children.
On the other side, that was a warning and the worse it will happen again.
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RayfromUSA: This story is not about "one lone nut".
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
yet another Conspiracy by that much vaunted NWO!Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
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pedro27: some can try to hide under the cover of schizophrenia as way of demeANING THERE GUILT, but are mostly found out by a psychirist, ya know it makes me discontented when someone that does such horror, that all people who are dignosed are sweep into the same group and are looked upon as a possible evil person
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RayfromUSA: This story is not about "one lone nut".
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
Like a lot of other events with major political ramifications, it is a case of a hidden hand manipulating people's thoughts by means of wanton violence.
The lone nut is just a necessary part of the scam.
The blame has to be directed somewhere.
After all that's the point of the whole operation.
And in this case the blame is being directed at "multi-culturalism" even though the lone nut patsy was himself "anti-immigration".
The controlled media spins the story to read "look what problems multi-culturalism is causing".
This news report compilation demonstrates that fact.
Mind you I post this clip not beacause I agree with it, but because it illustrates the way the media twists the story to blame the victims and polarize the nation into conflicting factions.
Divide and conquer and all that.
I agree Ray. Sensationalism is nothing new in the media.
I think right minded people would question the source of the video as to their motives for posting. Divide and conquer would be one possibility
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Conrad73: Legal Insanity and Clinical Insanity are two Horses of a different Color!
is that he'll go away for a long time in either Case!
is that he'll go away for a long time in either Case!
Thanks for posting those links Con.
The reason I posted the thread was because he is not pleading insanity he will be mounting a different defence.
From the article
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
Where that defence will lead I can only guess but I think this terrorist will not be without support.
If he was hung drawn and quartered it would not be enough I think.
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The only question now is whether the self-styled anti-Muslim militant was sane when he did it — and after a new psychiatric assessment Tuesday, even that may no longer be in dispute.
“Our conclusion is that he (was) not psychotic at the time of the actions of terrorism and he is not psychotic now,” Terje Toerrissen, one of the psychiatrists who examined Breivik in prison, told the Associated Press.
The twin attacks on July 22 — a bomb in Oslo's government district followed by a shooting spree at the governing Labor Party's youth camp outside the capital — brutally shocked Norway and reminded the West of terror threats other than Al Qaeda.
The blonde, blue-eyed gunman surrendered to police on a lakeside island where the bodies of his many teenage victims lay scattered. He claimed he was the Islamic terror group's antithesis, a modern-day crusader waging a war against Islam in Europe.
Breivik confessed to the attacks but rejected criminal guilt, saying he had acted to protect Norway from being overrun by Muslims by targeting the left-leaning political establishment he claimed had betrayed the country with liberal immigration policies.
The psychiatric report presented to the Oslo district court on Tuesday backed up Breivik's own claim that he is sane, and contradicted an earlier assessment that declared him psychotic and suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. That first diagnosis was met widespread criticism, prompting the court to order the second review.
Breivik's defence lawyer, Geir Lippestad, said the new report means Breivik's testimony will be crucial “when the judges decide whether he is insane or not.” The trial starts Monday and is scheduled to last 10 weeks.
Asked whether Breivik will defend his actions in court, Lippestad said: “He won't only defend it, he will also regret that he didn't go further.”
It's up to the judges to decide whether Breivik is mentally competent to be sentenced to prison. If not, he will be committed to compulsory psychiatric care. Either way, there are provisions in Norwegian law that could keep the 33-year-old locked up for the rest of his life.
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