Would a world without religion be a better place??? (123)
whistlinwheel: Thats great,would it by chance have being friends,family,or complete strangers,or some sort of organized group?
I would still say that the majority of regular charity providers,those servicing soup kitchens and the like,would be afilliated with some religious order.
I would still say that the majority of regular charity providers,those servicing soup kitchens and the like,would be afilliated with some religious order.
and I am guessing that you would be correct...
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whistlinwheel: Thats great,would it by chance have being friends,family,or complete strangers,or some sort of organized group?
I would still say that the majority of regular charity providers,those servicing soup kitchens and the like,would be afilliated with some religious order.
I would still say that the majority of regular charity providers,those servicing soup kitchens and the like,would be afilliated with some religious order.
At that time, we were almost strangers (we´d said hello a couple of times) and for some reason had exchanged phone numbers although not yet friends.
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EagleWoman: To be connected with the divine and sacred one does not need religion.
I had a dream.....
I had a dream.....
Perhaps not,however I don't believe the notion of morality,and what constitutes good and bad just popped out of thin air,it was bought forth by the budda,jesus and the like,it was bought forth under the banner of religion.So religion gets the credit.
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Lucky for you,trouble is most chronic homelessness is actually a result of the fact that an idividual doesn't have a friend in the world,can't even get a couch to crash on.Add to this they frequently stink,show anti-social behaviour and if they to turn up on most peoples door step,the police would be rung,the charities that don't turn them away,are very often church affiliated,I don't the see the australian stock exchange building providing services,its church afilliated charities,more often than not it would seem.
EagleWoman: At that time, we were almost strangers (we´d said hello a couple of times) and for some reason had exchanged phone numbers although not yet friends.
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whistlinwheel: Perhaps not,however I don't believe the notion of morality,and what constitutes good and bad just popped out of thin air,it was bought forth by the budda,jesus and the like,it was bought forth under the banner of religion.So religion gets the credit.
Neither Budda nor Jesus carried a banner that said follow my RELIGION. Neither of them judged, prosecuted nor condemned people. Neither of them said "What I´m doing is better than what anyone else is doing"...
Although they might have invited people to follow their "teachings" of their own free will.
Very few people and I mean few (if any) know what those exact teachings were. The stuff we read now days has been altered beyond recognition by men with a mission. And that mission, at least for so called Christians was never spiritual and self-growth, or peace but COMPETITION as "THE BEST" and "CROWD CONTROL". And no, that crowd control was not unfortunately about law and order, but about their own POWER and riches.
IMO
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whistlinwheel: Lucky for you,trouble is most chronic homelessness is actually a result of the fact that an idividual doesn't have a friend in the world,can't even get a couch to crash on.Add to this they frequently stink,show anti-social behaviour and if they to turn up on most peoples door step,the police would be rung,the charities that don't turn them away,are very often church affiliated,I don't the see the australian stock exchange building providing services,its church afilliated charities,more often than not it would seem.
Some might see it as luck, I see it as faith in the inherent goodness of people.
And yes, mostly charities and some religious arganisations have people working for them who see beyond the appearance of a lonely, alone lost soul.
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EagleWoman: Neither Budda nor Jesus carried a banner that said follow my RELIGION. Neither of them judged, prosecuted nor condemned people. Neither of them said "What I´m doing is better than what anyone else is doing"...IMO
They bought forth moral codes that became very influential,there message was spread through religion,and that message,essentially being peace,love and mung beans could well be more responsible for the adherence to a somewhat peaceful mode of life than many give credit for.
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whistlinwheel: Perhaps not,however I don't believe the notion of morality,and what constitutes good and bad just popped out of thin air,it was bought forth by the budda,jesus and the like,it was bought forth under the banner of religion.So religion gets the credit.
You might like to believe that, but it doesn't make it true.
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whistlinwheel: They bought forth moral codes that became very influential,there message was spread through religion,and that message,essentially being peace,love and mung beans could well be more responsible for the adherence to a somewhat peaceful mode of life than many give credit for.
Moral codes are taught by example. Which the carriers of truth and teachings did.
Most religions do not spread the message of peace and love through example and only in their preachings which are a direct contradiction to their actions. People learn to hate, be narrow minded and kill because they follow the example of their church leaders rather than their preachings!! A good slogan for the leaders of most religions would be "Do as I say and not as I do"
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whistlinwheel: Perhaps not,however I don't believe the notion of morality,and what constitutes good and bad just popped out of thin air,it was bought forth by the budda,jesus and the like,it was bought forth under the banner of religion.So religion gets the credit.
Many people have extremely high moral standards and are not religious in any way. I have participated in threads like this one before, and I will again say this: The problem is not whether it is beneficial to have a spiritual compass (it is) but rather - who's truth shall we subscribe to? The Catholics? The Baptists? Latter Day Saints? The Shakers? Quakers? Amish? Jim Jones? Amiee Semple MacPherson? Elmer Gantry? Timothy Leary? Therein lies the problem my friend. Every religious fanatic believes he or she has a monopoly on God. I am spiritual. I believe. I also believe this:"God wants spiritual fruit. Not religious nuts".
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No single religion has yet been able to build a temple or place of worship big enough to house the universe....
thank goodness...because it means I am free to sit under a tree and feel at one with the creator....without needing a label like catholic,muslim etc
thank goodness...because it means I am free to sit under a tree and feel at one with the creator....without needing a label like catholic,muslim etc
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rohaan: Many people have extremely high moral standards and are not religious in any way. I have participated in threads like this one before, and I will again say this: The problem is not whether it is beneficial to have a spiritual compass (it is) but rather - who's truth shall we subscribe to? The Catholics? The Baptists? Latter Day Saints? The Shakers? Quakers? Amish? Jim Jones? Amiee Semple MacPherson? Elmer Gantry? Timothy Leary? Therein lies the problem my friend. Every religious fanatic believes he or she has a monopoly on God. I am spiritual. I believe. I also believe this:
"God wants spiritual fruit. Not religious nuts".
"God wants spiritual fruit. Not religious nuts".
Well if it is beneficial to have a spiritual compass then could we say that religion,in general has been beneficial to the world,and infact where better of with it,as opposed to without,cause what other entity can claim to have been so influential in regards to living by a certain standard,that being thy shall not kill,love thy neighbor and all that,what other entity promotes charitable acts more than religion has.?
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EagleWoman: Moral codes are taught by example. Which the carriers of truth and teachings did.
Most religions do not spread the message of peace and love through example and only in their preachings which are a direct contradiction to their actions. People learn to hate, be narrow minded and kill because they follow the example of their church leaders rather than their preachings!! A good slogan for the leaders of most religions would be "Do as I say and not as I do"
Most religions do not spread the message of peace and love through example and only in their preachings which are a direct contradiction to their actions. People learn to hate, be narrow minded and kill because they follow the example of their church leaders rather than their preachings!! A good slogan for the leaders of most religions would be "Do as I say and not as I do"
So where did the likes of mother theresa pop up from,is the dalai lama spreading hate is he. Think sometimes the "religion spills blood" bit gets a little exagerated.Also I agree,moral codes are taught,and I think teaching the moral code of buddha and jesus provide a better world than teaching the moral code of alexander the great and attila the hun.
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Religion definitely teaches you many basic things to live in this world peacefully,and harmoniously.So there is no point in saying that there should be no religion.Without religion this world would have been a graveyard by now...Either it should be only one religion(which is unfair because different people have different opinions about life and they would obviously be interested in different religions)..If we all need world peace!!!!..Respect other religions as much as you respect your own religion...thats the end of religious conflicts!!!
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This planet would be better off without a lot of things, but I doubt being religion-free would solve all our (collective) problems. Too many on this planet rely on their "religious" beliefs (in one form or another) to guide them. It's been that way for too many millennium (and has become too controversial a subject) to hope for major change in the future. Religion, IMHO, was created (and is based on) fear and greed. Unfortunately, the human race (as a whole) has not evolved far enough to function beyond the fear and greed.
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whistlinwheel: Well if it is beneficial to have a spiritual compass then could we say that religion,in general has been beneficial to the world,and infact where better of with it,as opposed to without,cause what other entity can claim to have been so influential in regards to living by a certain standard,that being thy shall not kill,love thy neighbor and all that, what other entity promotes charitable acts more than religion has.?
What do you make of an "entity" that organises "charitable acts" with the gains from "killing others" which they preach shouldn´t be done?
Since when have religions been beneficial to the world? History (any linked to religion) will speak of killing those who don´t adhere to the faith. Since when is that equal to promoting world peace?
Yes it is beneficial to have a spiritual compass, one that trully promoted world peace by its actions and doesn´t move in the energy of hypocrisy.
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If this was a world without religion, who would we blame for our killing and wars,
our government's?
our government's?
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NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: If this was a world without religion, who would we blame for our killing and wars, our government's?
Uhh, Uhh, Yeah, sounds good. How are you NMP?
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whistlinwheel: So where did the likes of mother theresa pop up from,is the dalai lama spreading hate is he. Think sometimes the "religion spills blood" bit gets a little exagerated.Also I agree,moral codes are taught,and I think teaching the moral code of buddha and jesus provide a better world than teaching the moral code of alexander the great and attila the hun.
Mother Teresa is ONE person ... she is not a religion, although she could have been. She was raised a Roman Catholic. Do you have any idea how many human lives the Roman Catholic church has taken by violence?
The following articles about Mother Teresa makes interesting reading
The Dalai Lama is a Tebitan Buddhist. Buddhism is oneof the very few religions that won´t use violence.
Are you saying that because 2 people, one who is the religious head (Buddhist) of his nation (Tibet) and a woman who happens to be Catholic, DO/DID GOOD WORK and move in the energy of love and compassion that means ALL religions are good for world peace?
Would that not be like saying that because one criminal started doing "good deeds" then all criminals are good for world peace?
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Thats great,would it by chance have being friends,family,or complete strangers,or some sort of organized group?
I would still say that the majority of regular charity providers,those servicing soup kitchens and the like,would be afilliated with some religious order.