A ustralian Skeptics Forum (28)

May 7, 2012 2:42 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Agent Adolf, I did spend some time looking at the biography of Oz and still cannot fathom your hatred of Jews yet saying this socialist Jew (whose family was most likely expelled from Lithuania by the Communists in 1934) is someone who would give us another understanding of Jews.

Below are excerts from the biography link you provided.

Two Palestinian-Israeli wars have erupted in this region. One is the Palestinian nation's war for its freedom from occupation and for its right to independent statehood. Any decent person ought to support this cause. The second war is waged by fanatical Islam, from Iran to Gaza and from Lebanon to Ramallah, to destroy Israel and drive the Jews out of their land. Any decent person ought to abhor this cause." (April 7, 2002)

In July 2006, Oz supported the Israeli army in its war with Lebanon, writing in the Los Angeles Times "Many times in the past, the Israeli peace movement has criticized Israeli military operations. Not this time. This time, the battle is not over Israeli expansion and colonization. There is no Lebanese territory occupied by Israel. There are no territorial claims from either side… The Israeli peace movement should support Israel's attempt at self-defense, pure and simple, as long as this operation targets mostly Hezbollah and spares, as much as possible, the lives of Lebanese civilians.

Oz wrote: “Hamas is not just a terrorist organization. Hamas is an idea, a desperate and fanatical idea that grew out of the desolation and frustration of many Palestinians. No idea has ever been defeated by force ... To defeat an idea, you have to offer a better idea, a more attractive and acceptable one. Thus, the only way for Israel to edge out Hamas would be to quickly reach an agreement with the Palestinians on the establishment of an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as defined by the 1967 borders, with its capital in East Jerusalem. Israel has to sign a peace agreement with President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah government in the West Bank — and by doing so, reduce the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to a conflict between Israel and the Gaza Strip. That latter conflict, in turn, can be resolved only by negotiating with Hamas or, more reasonably, by the integration of Fatah with Hamas
May 7, 2012 4:08 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
wash2u: Agent Adolf, I did spend some time looking at the biography of Oz and still cannot fathom your hatred of Jews yet saying this socialist Jew (whose family was most likely expelled from Lithuania by the Communists in 1934) is someone who would give us another understanding of Jews.

Below are excerts from the biography link you provided.

Two Palestinian-Israeli wars have erupted in this region. One is the Palestinian nation's war for its freedom from occupation and for its right to independent statehood. Any decent person ought to support this cause. The second war is waged by fanatical Islam, from Iran to Gaza and from Lebanon to Ramallah, to destroy Israel and drive the Jews out of their land. Any decent person ought to abhor this cause." (April 7, 2002)

In July 2006, Oz supported the Israeli army in its war with Lebanon, writing in the Los Angeles Times "Many times in the past, the Israeli peace movement has criticized Israeli military operations. Not this time. This time, the battle is not over Israeli expansion and colonization. There is no Lebanese territory occupied by Israel. There are no territorial claims from either side… The Israeli peace movement should support Israel's attempt at self-defense, pure and simple, as long as this operation targets mostly Hezbollah and spares, as much as possible, the lives of Lebanese civilians.

Oz wrote: “Hamas is not just a terrorist organization. Hamas is an idea, a desperate and fanatical idea that grew out of the desolation and frustration of many Palestinians. No idea has ever been defeated by force ... To defeat an idea, you have to offer a better idea, a more attractive and acceptable one. Thus, the only way for Israel to edge out Hamas would be to quickly reach an agreement with the Palestinians on the establishment of an independent state in the West Bank and Gaza Strip as defined by the 1967 borders, with its capital in East Jerusalem. Israel has to sign a peace agreement with President Mahmoud Abbas and his Fatah government in the West Bank — and by doing so, reduce the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to a conflict between Israel and the Gaza Strip. That latter conflict, in turn, can be resolved only by negotiating with Hamas or, more reasonably, by the integration of Fatah with Hamas



Bit of emotional overflow Wash.

Re read it- He clearly is looking a peaceful solution. I have couple of his books including his biography in which he states. The fight between Israel and Palestine is a fight between right and right. Israel has equal right as Palestine to be there because they have nowhere else to go. Further he believes Palestine should be recognised as a sovereign state and he wants Israel to be the first to recognize them. Also he believes its time for Jews not to forget the atrocities but not to peruse the ongoing slander of third generations people of Germany who were not involved.

As for Lebanon, its pretty self explanatory, they got the right reply from Israel.
May 7, 2012 7:29 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
AgentAjax: I suppose your mind is already made up… just spend some time evaluating this evidence… honestly I cannot see it happening but its not to say that Im right on this matter.



No, my mind isn't made up. I was just taking issue with your statement that the photos were fuzzy. The fuzzy ones tend to be the ones taken from orbiting cameras.
I am having a look at your link which is interesting, but unfortunately having trouble playing the .rm videos.
In a way we get bombarded with so many whacky conspiracy theories that it is natural to lump them all in the loon ball basket. I suppose the odds are that some of the are right!
May 7, 2012 7:35 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Obscuritan: No, my mind isn't made up. I was just taking issue with your statement that the photos were fuzzy. The fuzzy ones tend to be the ones taken from orbiting cameras.
I am having a look at your link which is interesting, but unfortunately having trouble playing the .rm videos.
In a way we get bombarded with so many whacky conspiracy theories that it is natural to lump them all in the loon ball basket. I suppose the odds are that some of the are right!
have you ever noticed that only US is involved in conspiracy theories…Why? Remember how they fooled the Russians with laser weapons totally reacted in Hollywood. Oh and we still ahve no photos of Osama laugh
May 7, 2012 7:57 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
Not to jump on any bandwagon. But to throw some salt into the mix.

History is written by winners. What your text books say, And what actually happened maybe two different things.

As for aliens and God. How do we poor insignificant Humans know. They could be the same thing.

I'm sure many of you have heard the saying/reference that earth is just a science experiment for another planet.

But back to History. History is just Baggage. Aren't we told time and again to leave your baggage behind you and move on. ( I am referring to any number of bios in the personals looking for new relationships) Isn't reliving History just carrying around Baggage. Isn't remembering each year just an excuse to pull out the baggage and go "woe is Me".


Let it go CS and move on with a clean slate. Peace and harmony.
May 11, 2012 3:55 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
I'm really getting excited about the faked moon landing thing. A lot of the theories sound interesting.
But I need to be able to play movies with a .rm extension to really judge. Anyone know what program you need for playing those?
May 11, 2012 4:04 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
tonyxf
tonyxftonyxfwerribee, Victoria Australia2 Threads 4,525 Posts
Obscuritan: I'm really getting excited about the faked moon landing thing. A lot of the theories sound interesting.
But I need to be able to play movies with a .rm extension to really judge. Anyone know what program you need for playing those?
Didnt the Russians try too, was that fake as well?
May 11, 2012 6:57 AM CST A ustralian Skeptics Forum
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
Obscuritan: I'm really getting excited about the faked moon landing thing. A lot of the theories sound interesting.
But I need to be able to play movies with a .rm extension to really judge. Anyone know what program you need for playing those?
Not sure, I watched a great movie the other day called "Moon" you should get it out.
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