The Ten Commandments (28)
scriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 PostsI'm going to post this on the internationals too. Pissing off Christian fundamentalists is always good sport. 
jimbo79: is suppose those things are taken for granted as wrong, while the ten commandments were a necessity at the time to keep order
I agree to that was gonna put it in my own words but didnt to put my foot in it lol
scriobhneoir: I'm going to post this on the internationals too. Pissing off Christian fundamentalists is always good sport.
Interesting. When one zooms out and takes a blurred look at the ramblings of Fundamentalists and Athiest Fundamentalists, they are very similar people. Angry, bitter and judgemental. They wear the same cloths, but different colours. I treat them one and the same.
MADDOG69: Interesting. When one zooms out and takes a blurred look at the ramblings of Fundamentalists and Athiest Fundamentalists, they are very similar people. Angry, bitter and judgemental. They wear the same cloths, but different colours. I treat them one and the same.
MADDOG69: Interesting. When one zooms out and takes a blurred look at the ramblings of Fundamentalists and Athiest Fundamentalists, they are very similar people. Angry, bitter and judgemental. They wear the same cloths, but different colours. I treat them one and the same.
makes perfect sense...
MADDOG69: Interesting. When one zooms out and takes a blurred look at the ramblings of Fundamentalists and Athiest Fundamentalists, they are very similar people. Angry, bitter and judgemental. They wear the same cloths, but different colours. I treat them one and the same.
Interesting point, though I'm not sure I entirely degree. There are a few key differences. For one thing, I've never heard of atheists going from door to door preaching to people how there is no god. Also atheism does not have an inbuilt moral compass. Atheists have never sought to control how people live their lives, certainly not as atheists anyway. When Atheists go OTT it is usually as a reaction to religious fundamentalism. So for those reasons I think there is a clear difference.
scriobhneoir: Interesting point, though I'm not sure I entirely degree. There are a few key differences. For one thing, I've never heard of atheists going from door to door preaching to people how there is no god. Also atheism does not have an inbuilt moral compass. Atheists have never sought to control how people live their lives, certainly not as atheists anyway. When Atheists go OTT it is usually as a reaction to religious fundamentalism. So for those reasons I think there is a clear difference.
I think the commandments should be amended to reflect life in 21st century Ireland and then the people should vote on it referendum style. It would be might craic altogether 
gleneagle: I think the commandments should be amended to reflect life in 21st century Ireland and then the people should vote on it referendum style. It would be might craic altogether
Good Plan!
stanley8m: Hey scriobh, Just supposing you were to meet the perfect girl for you but she happened to be a Christian, would you respect her faith and support her beliefs, if it came to marriage and she was insistent on a church ceremony, would you object to making your marriage vows before God?
Interesting question Stan. Well if the spark was there and everything and I subsequently found out she was religious I could probably live with it. If she was insistent on a church ceremony, It would take a lot of soul searching but I would probably reluctantly agree providing she subsequently agreed to a humanist ceremony as well.
If however she was big into her religion and I found out this before anything developed I just wouldn't be interested and someone like that could never be perfect for me.
scriobhneoir: Interesting question Stan. Well if the spark was there and everything and I subsequently found out she was religious I could probably live with it. If she was insistent on a church ceremony, It would take a lot of soul searching but I would probably reluctantly agree providing she subsequently agreed to a humanist ceremony as well.
If however she was big into her religion and I found out this before anything developed I just wouldn't be interested and someone like that could never be perfect for me.
If however she was big into her religion and I found out this before anything developed I just wouldn't be interested and someone like that could never be perfect for me.
Good answer, I have gone out with girls who were different religions and non religous. Once we both had respect for each others beliefs and didnt try to force our opinions on each other it worked grand.
stanley8m: Hey scriobh, Just supposing you were to meet the perfect girl for you but she happened to be a Christian, would you respect her faith and support her beliefs, if it came to marriage and she was insistent on a church ceremony, would you object to making your marriage vows before God?
Me, I dont think I could get married in a church and swear any oaths, vows or whatever to something/somebody I had no belief in. Not only would I be disrespectful to myself but also to the lady I was marrying. I turned down the chance to be a godfather to one of my nephews for this very reason, I just couldnt do it.
Green_Sleeves: Me, I dont think I could get married in a church and swear any oaths, vows or whatever to something/somebody I had no belief in. Not only would I be disrespectful to myself but also to the lady I was marrying. I turned down the chance to be a godfather to one of my nephews for this very reason, I just couldnt do it.
You have to be true to your own beliefs, I am Godfather to many and I take my responsibily and vows I made very seriously.
stanley8m: You have to be true to your own beliefs, I am Godfather to many and I take my responsibily and vows I made very seriously.
I suppose it depends. I'm the godfather to one of my nieces. I just did it because my sister asked me and I would have felt bad turning her down. If however anyone else asked me I'd probably say no.
scriobhneoir: I suppose it depends. I'm the godfather to one of my nieces. I just did it because my sister asked me and I would have felt bad turning her down. If however anyone else asked me I'd probably say no.
In a court of law Guilt or innocence is decided based on the evidence and witness accounts. Yet this hinges upon swearing on a bible that was written long after the alleged facts where no evidence is required to verify its authenticity. Just a little contradiction in our justice system that everyone seems to conveniently overlook. Perhaps they don't want to open Pandora's boxvinny1967: I think Moses dropped one of the tablets on the way down the mountain with the other ten commandments Yeah it's an anomoly all right.
Lots of things confuse me about the bible and it's not for me but to each their own.
Lots of things confuse me about the bible and it's not for me but to each their own.
On the tablet that he dropped were commandments such as 'thou shalt not park in a disabled parking space' and 'thou shalt not create multiple profiles on dating sites'.
scriobhneoir: Interesting point, though I'm not sure I entirely degree. There are a few key differences. For one thing, I've never heard of atheists going from door to door preaching to people how there is no god. Also atheism does not have an inbuilt moral compass. Atheists have never sought to control how people live their lives, certainly not as atheists anyway. When Atheists go OTT it is usually as a reaction to religious fundamentalism. So for those reasons I think there is a clear difference.
Atheists use print media, and the Airwaves, much the same as other religions, but lack organisational depth. It's no wonder they don't go door to door.
Atheists take their moral cues from the societal framework they live in. We'll see very different values between an Atheist in Ireland and one in China. As I have.
As for controlling lives.... the biggest political groupings which had Atheism as one of their central tenets was the various forms of Marxism: Leninism, Maoism, Stalinism. I don't have to begin to discuss what lives they tried to control and ultimately destroyed.
Atheists go OTT just like Religious Fanatics once they begin preaching. Though I set a high standard for that myself: I don't preach to anyone, and I expect the same in return. And I enforce the last. :) Just to give you some context of where I'm coming from, much of my family are fanatics.
Green_Sleeves: Me, I dont think I could get married in a church and swear any oaths, vows or whatever to something/somebody I had no belief in. Not only would I be disrespectful to myself but also to the lady I was marrying. I turned down the chance to be a godfather to one of my nephews for this very reason, I just couldnt do it.
I did christen my children but it was out of respect to my partner's family & to recognise that their beliefs ( although not mine)are a valid - I would not stand as godparent to a child.
Lately, I think I will let my children embrace any part of Catholicism or any other religion that they choose to embrace - as it is not for me to dictate to them, or anyone else for that matter.
sally101: I did christen my children but it was out of respect to my partner's family & to recognise that their beliefs ( although not mine)are a valid - I would not stand as godparent to a child.
Lately, I think I will let my children embrace any part of Catholicism or any other religion that they choose to embrace - as it is not for me to dictate to them, or anyone else for that matter.
Lately, I think I will let my children embrace any part of Catholicism or any other religion that they choose to embrace - as it is not for me to dictate to them, or anyone else for that matter.
I hope that I have brought up my children to be strong individuals who can make the right decisions in life, have to be honest though if one of them told me that they had decided to believe in a god of any description I would feel like I had failed them and be really disappointed.
Glatlol: I hope that I have brought up my children to be strong individuals who can make the right decisions in life, have to be honest though if one of them told me that they had decided to believe in a god of any description I would feel like I had failed them and be really disappointed.
I agree. I wouldn't force anything down their throats but if they came to an age where they were old enough to make up their own minds and decided to abandon logic and reason to believe that a sky fairy created the world and thought he had the right to condemn them to hell for not believing in him, I think I would have a hard time accepting it.
Just because I think people have the right to believe in religion doesn't mean I don't despair that otherwise rational and intelligent people could believe in such incoherent nonsense.
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