Re the current crisis in Syria and the recent massacre of women and children. (121)
Hi ah Velsix
I was wondering why no one was talking about Syria... and actually checked thru the threads to see if I missed something...
I think that you are right, no one can say we dont know about what is occurring, and the reason if think that there is no involvement yet, is because,
We dont want to give money to the Free army, because they will buy guns, and having more guns around meanz more shooting and more deaths, and we dont want to be involved in someone else's war... civil it may be...
But, on our radio show tonight, the Syrian Australians have collected money amongst themselves, and are waiting for our govt to give approval to send it to the Free Army, which has not occurred.
The only person who is songing and dancing about this is the French president from what I can see.
It's a horrible thing, even Kofi couldn't get to the truth so it seems..
But, I dont want us involved... we can't have every country starting revolts and then expecting the rest of the world to come to their aid.. that is not fair either...
However, I acknowledge, that because of free media, everyone can see how everyone else lives, and those who suddenly realise, that they would like change, and in this case of Syria, who has seen their neighbors before them hop into this civil war, and get helped out by the rest of the world, and get their leaders / despots overthrown, I acknowledge, that they'd be thinking, hello, we want some of what they are having,
but at the same time, a few nations can't be helping out everyone all the time...Crikey, it costs everyone plenty to help keep peace... and at this point I reckon, Fair shake of the ole sauce bottle... enough, where will this game end...
I was wondering why no one was talking about Syria... and actually checked thru the threads to see if I missed something...
I think that you are right, no one can say we dont know about what is occurring, and the reason if think that there is no involvement yet, is because,
We dont want to give money to the Free army, because they will buy guns, and having more guns around meanz more shooting and more deaths, and we dont want to be involved in someone else's war... civil it may be...
But, on our radio show tonight, the Syrian Australians have collected money amongst themselves, and are waiting for our govt to give approval to send it to the Free Army, which has not occurred.
The only person who is songing and dancing about this is the French president from what I can see.
It's a horrible thing, even Kofi couldn't get to the truth so it seems..
But, I dont want us involved... we can't have every country starting revolts and then expecting the rest of the world to come to their aid.. that is not fair either...
However, I acknowledge, that because of free media, everyone can see how everyone else lives, and those who suddenly realise, that they would like change, and in this case of Syria, who has seen their neighbors before them hop into this civil war, and get helped out by the rest of the world, and get their leaders / despots overthrown, I acknowledge, that they'd be thinking, hello, we want some of what they are having,
but at the same time, a few nations can't be helping out everyone all the time...Crikey, it costs everyone plenty to help keep peace... and at this point I reckon, Fair shake of the ole sauce bottle... enough, where will this game end...
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I have to agree with you Merriweather with regards to becoming involved with other countries problems and yes it does seem now that a few more countries want to follow the likes of Egypt etc but it is so sad that there are still 'Evil' regimes in 2012 that inflict such control over their own people.
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
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velsix: I have to agree with you Merriweather with regards to becoming involved with other countries problems and yes it does seem now that a few more countries want to follow the likes of Egypt etc but it is so sad that there are still 'Evil' regimes in 2012 that inflict such control over their own people.
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
Yes, I never said or thought for a moment that it is not sad... It is...
and I wish it wasn't, and I think that sometimes these leaders are well reluctant to work for the people, they tend to work for themselves, and appease their own govt. armies, and manage to make deals with arm sellers... prolly Russia in this case...
Was reading this earlier...
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velsix: I have to agree with you Merriweather with regards to becoming involved with other countries problems and yes it does seem now that a few more countries want to follow the likes of Egypt etc but it is so sad that there are still 'Evil' regimes in 2012 that inflict such control over their own people.
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
I can only visualize one outcome if no peaceful solution is found for the problems many are facing.....We shall see!!!
About 30 years ago, Assads father, or more accurately his Uncle massacred what many agree, to be about 10,000 people in a similar uprising. He did this in less than 30 days. Apart from a bit of lip service nothing much was done then either.
The complicated issue is the following... ~35% of Syrians despise Assad, ~35% support him and ~30% don't care. That was my reading of it about 6 months ago. Things might have changed since though.
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MADDOG69: About 30 years ago, Assads father, or more accurately his Uncle massacred what many agree, to be about 10,000 people in a similar uprising. He did this in less than 30 days. Apart from a bit of lip service nothing much was done then either.
The complicated issue is the following... ~35% of Syrians despise Assad, ~35% support him and ~30% don't care. That was my reading of it about 6 months ago. Things might have changed since though.
The complicated issue is the following... ~35% of Syrians despise Assad, ~35% support him and ~30% don't care. That was my reading of it about 6 months ago. Things might have changed since though.
So its all bad genes then? Rum stuff...
I reckon Assad's popularity would be declining with the 30% dont care lot???
I mean, killing children is not something that most caring people can stomach in a hurry... Barbarian, it would seem, but methinks it's way deeper than that... and prolly $$$$ at the root of it all...
Damn.... if collectively the world got rid of money, and just did barter, we'd have naught to fight about for a while... Jeez.
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Merriweather: So its all bad genes then? Rum stuff...
I reckon Assad's popularity would be declining with the 30% dont care lot???
I mean, killing children is not something that most caring people can stomach in a hurry... Barbarian, it would seem, but methinks it's way deeper than that... and prolly $$$$ at the root of it all...
Damn.... if collectively the world got rid of money, and just did barter, we'd have naught to fight about for a while... Jeez.
I reckon Assad's popularity would be declining with the 30% dont care lot???
I mean, killing children is not something that most caring people can stomach in a hurry... Barbarian, it would seem, but methinks it's way deeper than that... and prolly $$$$ at the root of it all...
Damn.... if collectively the world got rid of money, and just did barter, we'd have naught to fight about for a while... Jeez.
Ah... but Assads popularity comes form the many minority groups... his own Alawite people, Aramaic Speaking Christians, Armenians, Circassians etc etc etc. Also, the circumstance of those children's deaths won't be shown in it's full horror on State Censored TV in Syria. So while we are in a state of shock, the people in Syria might be oblivious. Sad really...
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MADDOG69: About 30 years ago, Assads father, or more accurately his Uncle massacred what many agree, to be about 10,000 people in a similar uprising. He did this in less than 30 days. Apart from a bit of lip service nothing much was done then either.
The complicated issue is the following... ~35% of Syrians despise Assad, ~35% support him and ~30% don't care. That was my reading of it about 6 months ago. Things might have changed since though.
The complicated issue is the following... ~35% of Syrians despise Assad, ~35% support him and ~30% don't care. That was my reading of it about 6 months ago. Things might have changed since though.
I remember seeing this MADDOG and I wonder how the % that support this man can turn a blind eye at what, on the face of it, are such horrific events happening before their eyes, are they just as evil? If so maybe a civil war is the only solution and so it goes on and on, the innocent always suffers the most while the rest of the world is helpless to act for fear of being accused of interfering rather than being 'Human beings'....
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MADDOG69: Ah... but Assads popularity comes form the many minority groups... his own Alawite people, Aramaic Speaking Christians, Armenians, Circassians etc etc etc. Also, the circumstance of those children's deaths won't be shown in it's full horror on State Censored TV in Syria. So while we are in a state of shock, the people in Syria might be oblivious. Sad really...
Right, but that is TV your talking... I reckon they have internet access and If I can see it, why cannot they themselves... What am I missing.?
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velsix: I remember seeing this MADDOG and I wonder how the % that support this man can turn a blind eye at what, on the face of it, are such horrific events happening before their eyes, are they just as evil? If so maybe a civil war is the only solution and so it goes on and on, the innocent always suffers the most while the rest of the world is helpless to act for fear of being accused of interfering rather than being 'Human beings'....
The empassioned pleas from the Spokesman of the Australian Syrian group tonight on the radio... was fairly believable, he sounded well upset, and said that Assad was a 'master of lies'
here is the link...
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velsix: I remember seeing this MADDOG and I wonder how the % that support this man can turn a blind eye at what, on the face of it, are such horrific events happening before their eyes, are they just as evil? If so maybe a civil war is the only solution and so it goes on and on, the innocent always suffers the most while the rest of the world is helpless to act for fear of being accused of interfering rather than being 'Human beings'....
Yep I agree. But I suppose you have to think about it in their shoes. If some security services killed a bunch of people in your neck of the woods, but the news on TV said some terrorists did it I wouldn't be any the wiser until I got news from the grapevine. Still, there have been many instances of reasonable people refusing to believe the truth. Or rather making a decision to ignore the truth.
As for interfering, it's a very easy label to put on someone. Syria geographically is an important area for a lot of people. That's why we're getting ringside seats of the events there. And that's why there is so much emotion raised over it. We're getting plenty of information about it because Syria's ruling elite are in cahoots with Iran, and Hezbollah in Lebanon. Now, Darfur for example, an estimated 200,000 people were killed. Nothing much was done. If that figure was 2,000,000 nothing still would have been done. So you see, there is a great sense of hypocrisy by those in the various powers.
Egypt is another great example. No one was talking about intervention there. Because Egypt in it's previous form was allied to the West more closely than it will end up. Ditto Bahrain.
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velsix: Why is the rest of the world 'scared' of Russia?
Their 'human rights record is nothing to shout about and it seems that they are allowing these atrocities to continue, by Syrian government forces, dispite overwhelming evidence showing that they are responsible for them.
I don't expect the truth of what's really going on will ever be known. It is just so upsetting to hear of the deaths of women and children and the world standing by and not doing anything about it.
I do realise that to interfere in another countries affairs is none of anyones business but we live in a time where events such as those happening throughout the world are now seen by everyone via the medias available. There is no hiding place anymore and it is painful for anyone who has a sense of compassion to ignore what's happening.
I feel that and I'm reluctant to say this but we are heading towards another 'world war' of nuclear dimensions. I watched a film last night called 'The Road' showing the struggle of a man and his son's attempt at trying to survive in a 'post apocolyptic' world, is this what our children have to look forward to?
Their 'human rights record is nothing to shout about and it seems that they are allowing these atrocities to continue, by Syrian government forces, dispite overwhelming evidence showing that they are responsible for them.
I don't expect the truth of what's really going on will ever be known. It is just so upsetting to hear of the deaths of women and children and the world standing by and not doing anything about it.
I do realise that to interfere in another countries affairs is none of anyones business but we live in a time where events such as those happening throughout the world are now seen by everyone via the medias available. There is no hiding place anymore and it is painful for anyone who has a sense of compassion to ignore what's happening.
I feel that and I'm reluctant to say this but we are heading towards another 'world war' of nuclear dimensions. I watched a film last night called 'The Road' showing the struggle of a man and his son's attempt at trying to survive in a 'post apocolyptic' world, is this what our children have to look forward to?
Trust me, the best solution is to do absolutely nothing...
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Canada just expelled all the Syrian diplomats and are bringing in crushing sanctions...here we go 
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something must be done to stop the killing. that cease fire didn't work and sanctions are not working. the only answer is military actions to get rid of this madman. people are proberly going to be against it but nothing is working. this is short of genocide.
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The big 5 in the SC of UN, have their own rules. Don't interfere in my sphere of influence and i will not interfere in yours.
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Boban1: Trust me, the best solution is to do absolutely nothing...
so u in ur wierd way of logic that u let the killing continue and the oppression continus. it seem to me that u don't care about the innocent people like old people,men,women and children get slaughtered. shame on u------ This thread is Archived ------
john12196341: so u in ur wierd way of logic that u let the killing continue and the oppression continus. it seem to me that u don't care about the innocent people like old people,men,women and children get slaughtered. shame on u
John, sometimes I wish I had your brain, I could use a rest...
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Boban1: John, sometimes I wish I had your brain, I could use a rest...
i guess u answerd my question. oh by the way i do have a brain and also i know what is right and what is wrong but u don't------ This thread is Archived ------
Merriweather:
I think that you are right, no one can say we dont know about what is occurring, and the reason I think that there is no involvement yet, is because,
We dont want to give money to the Free army, because they will buy guns, and having more guns around means more shooting and more deaths, and we dont want to be involved in someone else's war... civil it may be...
But, on our radio show tonight, the Syrian Australians have collected money amongst themselves, and are waiting for our govt to give approval to send it to the Free Army, which has not occurred.
I think that you are right, no one can say we dont know about what is occurring, and the reason I think that there is no involvement yet, is because,
We dont want to give money to the Free army, because they will buy guns, and having more guns around means more shooting and more deaths, and we dont want to be involved in someone else's war... civil it may be...
But, on our radio show tonight, the Syrian Australians have collected money amongst themselves, and are waiting for our govt to give approval to send it to the Free Army, which has not occurred.
There is no "free army" in Syria. There is an insurgency created, financed, and armed by the west.
The same was true in Libya, and all the other "Arab Spring" regime changes. The western countries have been highly involved in all of them from start to finish, selecting and training the terrorist insurgents, providing arms and funds, etc.
But of course it's never done "officially" at first. Only once the insurgents become a serious military threat and violence escalates and there are a lot of casualties do the western governments blame the government and mount their invasion forces.
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Isn't you stated in other threads,that US troops must return home from Afghanistan,as the Afghanis don't wont you there.???? No you advovate US interference????
john12196341: so u in ur wierd way of logic that u let the killing continue and the oppression continus. it seem to me that u don't care about the innocent people like old people,men,women and children get slaughtered. shame on u
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Their 'human rights record is nothing to shout about and it seems that they are allowing these atrocities to continue, by Syrian government forces, dispite overwhelming evidence showing that they are responsible for them.
I don't expect the truth of what's really going on will ever be known. It is just so upsetting to hear of the deaths of women and children and the world standing by and not doing anything about it.
I do realise that to interfere in another countries affairs is none of anyones business but we live in a time where events such as those happening throughout the world are now seen by everyone via the medias available. There is no hiding place anymore and it is painful for anyone who has a sense of compassion to ignore what's happening.
I feel that and I'm reluctant to say this but we are heading towards another 'world war' of nuclear dimensions. I watched a film last night called 'The Road' showing the struggle of a man and his son's attempt at trying to survive in a 'post apocolyptic' world, is this what our children have to look forward to?