i lost my dad to ptsd and vietnam. i lost two pilots in my helicopter that i crewed. i lost many other friends to iran,iraq,afganistan. i have ptsd now. i have also been a vol. firemen. and in all cases these people all did what they did because they decided that it was their duty and honor to be able to do so freely. and would not recieve any special honor to do so. in my opinion if you live where you don't have to be the defender of freedom, then maybe you could give those that do live in that place that does. then give us a break because we are trying to support freedom of choice, that is all. i have times when i am trnaported back to the times when i watched pilots, friends, die. i watched my pilots burn to death in front of me.........and there was nothing i could do but watch till the fire trucks showed up. i became isolated, refused to talk to anyone, because i was suppose to be on that flight for the experience that night, but there was a pilot that needed some more flight time so he went instead.(was someone looking out for me)no not everyone deserve a medal i don't! but someone who goes and saves people from dying or being kept illegally or injured. people like: policemen,firemen,service personal,privite citizens. these people do what they do because they decided it was their duty to perform these jobs. if the rest of the UN nations decided to work together to keep evil people from harming the world's peace. then maybe the US wouldn't be viewed as such a "evil" nation, doing "evil" to the world. not many people want to put their lives in danger, but someone has to do the job to save those in danger. i know when i did whatever job i was doing i knew i was going put my life on the line....... better me then some other poor person. so if you don't want the job..... if you stay to here thank you for listening. and remember most freedom isn't free someone died......... for it. and thats it freedom for the whole world. so when you see a vetearn thank them even if you don't believe in what their doing, but because they are giving you the choice to believe the way you do. god bless all those who put their lives on the line all over the world.... and thank you.
wigout: i lost my dad to ptsd and vietnam. i lost two pilots in my helicopter that i crewed. i lost many other friends to iran,iraq,afganistan. i have ptsd now. i have also been a vol. firemen. and in all cases these people all did what they did because they decided that it was their duty and honor to be able to do so freely. and would not recieve any special honor to do so. in my opinion if you live where you don't have to be the defender of freedom, then maybe you could give those that do live in that place that does. then give us a break because we are trying to support freedom of choice, that is all. i have times when i am trnaported back to the times when i watched pilots, friends, die. i watched my pilots burn to death in front of me.........and there was nothing i could do but watch till the fire trucks showed up. i became isolated, refused to talk to anyone, because i was suppose to be on that flight for the experience that night, but there was a pilot that needed some more flight time so he went instead.(was someone looking out for me)no not everyone deserve a medal i don't! but someone who goes and saves people from dying or being kept illegally or injured. people like: policemen,firemen,service personal,privite citizens. these people do what they do because they decided it was their duty to perform these jobs. if the rest of the UN nations decided to work together to keep evil people from harming the world's peace. then maybe the US wouldn't be viewed as such a "evil" nation, doing "evil" to the world. not many people want to put their lives in danger, but someone has to do the job to save those in danger. i know when i did whatever job i was doing i knew i was going put my life on the line....... better me then some other poor person. so if you don't want the job..... if you stay to here thank you for listening. and remember most freedom isn't free someone died......... for it. and thats it freedom for the whole world. so when you see a vetearn thank them even if you don't believe in what their doing, but because they are giving you the choice to believe the way you do. god bless all those who put their lives on the line all over the world.... and thank you.
Why was it necessary to turn N.O. into a war zone and evict all its 10s of thousands of inhabitants? Why couldn´t aid have been sent to save lives?
Missed this bit. Who or what is N.O. ???
If you are referrring to the former Yogoslavia aid was sent and plenty of it from all over. I was part of the initial chain who ensured the aid got to Yugoslavi....But that was not enough. The "ETNIC CLEANSING" Took over and it took an arme force to stop the killing by all the different groups.
If you are referrring to the former Yogoslavia aid was sent and plenty of it from all over. I was part of the initial chain who ensured the aid got to Yugoslavi....But that was not enough. The "ETNIC CLEANSING" Took over and it took an arme force to stop the killing by all the different groups.
You know if NO soldier/serviceman/woman EVER existed for the purpose of war, and all nations just sayed put, all you guys/gals who had to live through the horrors of war wouldn´t have needed to. That´s what I´m trying to get at.
Serving your country would still exist but NOT for the purpose of war!! And would then have its true meaning of service, to humanity. Serving shouldn´t be about killing, it should be about saving, not your leader´s ego but rather human kind.
For those who fought for it freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know. I am a vet and still serving in the reserves. That reporter should stand in front of our troops if they can't stand behind them.
For those who fought for it freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know. I am a vet and still serving in the reserves. That reporter should stand in front of our troops if they can't stand behind them.
For those who fought for it freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know. I am a vet and still serving in the reserves. That reporter should stand in front of our troops if they can't stand behind them.
EagleWoman: Of course I don´t have all the information... But you seem to. So how can you still think it´s ok to go to war for "political agendas" however well it´s disguised?
And Pat ... thanks for explaining how it works!!
Even though I think wars are like keep on treating the symptoms of allergy (the reaction) without ever working out what´s causing it which would mean not needing the treatment.
EagleWoman: Of course I don´t have all the information... But you seem to. So how can you still think it´s ok to go to war for "political agendas" however well it´s disguised?
No I do not I personally do not think it is appropriate to go to war for political agenda.....I however did my duty as asked by my goverment who had UN Resolutions making the action legal...Is that a problem?
ecause I point out the flaws in your argument you surmise I think war is fine. I do not, war is the last resort and always has to be the last resort...All nations should use diplomacy at all times. But when that fails as it has so often recently then it sadly means the worst.
EagleWoman: And Pat ... thanks for explaining how it works!!
Even though I think wars are like keep on treating the symptoms of allergy (the reaction) without ever working out what´s causing it which would mean not needing the treatment.
Sadly any war is not a treatment but a sad sign of the lack of diplomacy usually on one side...Sadly too many countries will not take notice of the feeling of their own people and the International community and that leads to war....I cite the following nice lads as examples of that Saddam, Ghaddafi, Assad and you can follow that with the lot in Yemen and Mugabe the latter is so old he will die soon and then the real fun will begin bloody sad.
patmac: No I do not I personally do not think it is appropriate to go to war for political agenda.....I however did my duty as asked by my goverment who had UN Resolutions making the action legal...Is that a problem?
ecause I point out the flaws in your argument you surmise I think war is fine. I do not, war is the last resort and always has to be the last resort...All nations should use diplomacy at all times. But when that fails as it has so often recently then it sadly means the worst.
No I didn´t mind you pointing flaws in some of my arguments. The bits you had no argument for because they are logical (in spite of being utopic this far ahead in the ego games of nation leaders) you simply ignored completely.
That´s ok, I didn´t respond to some of the stuff you wrote either. And I can live with being wrong with my summation.
patmac: Sadly any war is not a treatment but a sad sign of the lack of diplomacy usually on one side...Sadly too many countries will not take notice of the feeling of their own people and the International community and that leads to war....I cite the following nice lads as examples of that Saddam, Ghaddafi, Assad and you can follow that with the lot in Yemen and Mugabe the latter is so old he will die soon and then the real fun will begin bloody sad.
And you can stop with the I´m not used to drinking beer and feel totally sloshed by now!!
crazyblondeone: I have a son and daughter in the military. Until my son is back on US soil, I won't rest properly. When he is deployed I feel like an elephant is sitting on my chest. I can't breathe right...
I don't give a rat's butt who views who as a hero...it's all about opinion. I know my children are my heroes and there is no one who sits behind a computer and disputes heroism that can change my mind.
Regarding how our veterans are treated, I've seen way too many out on the street....very sad.
I agree - not only are they heroes - but they ARE protecting our country PLUS protecting foreign nationals in some parts of the world where they are stationed from local terrorist actions - on peace keeping missions when developing "nations" are in a state of civil war - I read a mother's lament in the paper recently - she was saying that her son had died in Iraq protecting an Iraqi child leaving his own son fatherless. Ironic and heroic. Sure it was his choice to protect the helpless where & when no one else could. that is heroism
anyone who saw the twin towers fell or had listened to threats against America from abroad knows what our troops are protecting us from. until you walk in our shoes your opinion doesnt count....(IMO)
felixis99: I agree - not only are they heroes - but they ARE protecting our country PLUS protecting foreign nationals in some parts of the world where they are stationed from local terrorist actions - on peace keeping missions when developing "nations" are in a state of civil war - I read a mother's lament in the paper recently - she was saying that her son had died in Iraq protecting an Iraqi child leaving his own son fatherless. Ironic and heroic. Sure it was his choice to protect the helpless where & when no one else could. that is heroism
anyone who saw the twin towers fell or had listened to threats against America from abroad knows what our troops are protecting us from. until you walk in our shoes your opinion doesnt count....(IMO)
Thank you!! Something we will never forget those towers falling...wow, my son was fairly new to the military at the time, in Hawaii. I just see that airplane in my mind all the time hitting the second tower.
And the first time picking my son up in San Francisco from the airport 4 months later, with the armed military guards everywhere. I knew life would never be the same. I wish I were picking him up now, wish they were all safely back on American soil.
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EagleWoman: You are right ... most police officers put their life in danger everyday, to fight real crime rather than someone´s political agenda.
They are following somebody else s laws and implementing somebody else s idea of justice. Same difference.
The difference lies in, as I said, police and firemen;
"" are not in extended dangerous situations where they are committed to following the policies and directions of their government and leaders whether they agree or not.""
EagleWoman: same like And police officers who work undercover or are working on some big bust up DON´t get to go home at night to hug their families either
Sort of like Special Operations guys.
EagleWoman: Firefighters do get to go home unless they work somewhere where there are a lot of forest fires ...
For a year at a time? Hell, in WWI and II some didn't go home for years. Once that last plane leaves you're stuck win or lose. And at the end of the day you can't quit, take a day off or go home, that's known as desertion which is a capital offense during war time. For a cop or smoke eater to do that it's called a breakdown and counseling is in order.
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