Why Not fully back Kofi Annan and give peace a chance in Syria (411)
IseekWaterford, Ireland2 Threads 455 PostsThis is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
Since his plan was first accepted by the Syrian government they immediately stepped up their attacks on the opposition resulting in the opposition not agreeing to it at all. Very difficult to back the plan which is not followed by the key players.
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
To have peace in Syria Kofi Annan needs to firstly bring the Russians
on board. And the way the middle east is carved up at present, it aint going to happen anytime soon. Once enough pressure can be brought to bear on Russia they he might stand a chance.
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Albertaghost: Since his plan was first accepted by the Syrian government they immediately stepped up their attacks on the opposition resulting in the opposition not agreeing to it at all. Very difficult to back the plan which is not followed by the key players.
Perhaps, But isn't that avoiding the question?
It could well be argued that Saudi and others (who after all have Dogs in this fight) sending arms to the Rebels is a big hindrance to the peace process also.
However the bigger question is why the peace process was declared doomed from day one ?
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Iseek: Perhaps, But isn't that avoiding the question?
It could well be argued that Saudi and others (who after all have Dogs in this fight) sending arms to the Rebels is a big hindrance to the peace process also.
However the bigger question is why the peace process was declared doomed from day one ?
It could well be argued that Saudi and others (who after all have Dogs in this fight) sending arms to the Rebels is a big hindrance to the peace process also.
However the bigger question is why the peace process was declared doomed from day one ?
Could it be because the FSA knew that any of Assads promises meant as much as did Quadaffis?
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Phoenix: To have peace in Syria Kofi Annan needs to firstly bring the Russians
on board. And the way the middle east is carved up at present, it aint going to happen anytime soon. Once enough pressure can be brought to bear on Russia they he might stand a chance.
on board. And the way the middle east is carved up at present, it aint going to happen anytime soon. Once enough pressure can be brought to bear on Russia they he might stand a chance.
Yep, that is a fact, you are quite correct, along with the fact that the West never really gave Annan and co. a real chance, Remember two or three days into the Annan plan many in the west had already written it off.
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Entusiasmo: Could it be because the FSA knew that any of Assads promises meant as much as did Quadaffis?
Possibly, but how does that save lives?
Before, everybody starts shouting at me, I know many lives have been lost already, but surely as Humans we should strive at all costs to stop further bloodshed.
War can't always be our first reaction..
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Iseek: Possibly, but how does that save lives?
Before, everybody starts shouting at me, I know many lives have been lost already, but surely as Humans we should strive at all costs to stop further bloodshed.
War can't always be our first reaction..
Before, everybody starts shouting at me, I know many lives have been lost already, but surely as Humans we should strive at all costs to stop further bloodshed.
War can't always be our first reaction..
However Annan has just released a statement, saying civil war comes ever closer.
So would seem he also thinks his plan is a drowned duck.
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Hi Iseek
Perhaps if you watched this you might get an answer for your question.
cheers
Perhaps if you watched this you might get an answer for your question.
cheers
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
The Syrian Freedom Army is now asking to be 'released' from the earlier ceasefire agreement negotiated by Annan. This after the two atrocities committed by the Assad army.
Seems to me that ....that with the atrocities......that peace is a very distant concept in this civil war.
Unless the UN Peace Keepers can bring those responsible for the atrocities to justice, something has about much chance as winning the
fotbol pool on Derby to pull a undefeated and unscored on season.....
there is no reason for the Syrian Freedom Army to remain even in a ceasefire.
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ttom500: The Syrian Freedom Army is now asking to be 'released' from the earlier ceasefire agreement negotiated by Annan. This after the two atrocities committed by the Assad army.
Seems to me that ....that with the atrocities......that peace is a very distant concept in this civil war.
Unless the UN Peace Keepers can bring those responsible for the atrocities to justice, something has about much chance as winning the
fotbol pool on Derby to pull a undefeated and unscored on season.....
there is no reason for the Syrian Freedom Army to remain even in a ceasefire.
Seems to me that ....that with the atrocities......that peace is a very distant concept in this civil war.
Unless the UN Peace Keepers can bring those responsible for the atrocities to justice, something has about much chance as winning the
fotbol pool on Derby to pull a undefeated and unscored on season.....
there is no reason for the Syrian Freedom Army to remain even in a ceasefire.
You really believe the Rebels put their Weapons down went to the coffee houses and didn't play any part?
Question again, Why wasn't peace given a chance?
Entusiasmo: However Annan has just released a statement, saying civil war comes ever closer.
So would seem he also thinks his plan is a drowned duck.
So would seem he also thinks his plan is a drowned duck.
Yep, that is NOW! same question as above....
Merriweather: Hi Iseek
Perhaps if you watched this you might get an answer for your question.
cheers
Perhaps if you watched this you might get an answer for your question.
cheers
The Robert Fisk interview with ABC ?
Got it from one of your previous links (thank you) a very informative interview, I have a great respect for Fisk and for the most part I couldn't agree more with most of what he stated...
Thanks again...
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Yep, that is NOW! same question as above....
Assad never had any intention of sticking to any plan that he himself did not devise, so there was no hope for Annans peace plan.
Assad never had any intention of sticking to any plan that he himself did not devise, so there was no hope for Annans peace plan.
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
Pretty simple answer...
Kofi Annan can not do any thing and his so called "plan" does not work, and is no plan any way... Syrian regim is just killing time and trying to figure out how many more to kill, until the rebelion is over and out, and until people are so scared that they stop the resistance against the regim.
There are no negotiation options left, and actually there have never been negotiation options with the Syrian regim what so ever... Assads father killed hundreds of tousands and stayed on power and Bashir is willing to do the exact same . This family do not understand people being tired of them and Gadhaffi situation is reapeting it self and I am telling you... Syrian regim is way more violent and much better armed and trained than Gadhaffi regim was
There is no peace with the regim on charge for now in Syria... a sad fact but an undeniable fact, and mr. Annan will be absolutely sad some day soon because his so called "plan" is giving more time to Assad taking care of his oponents and this situation reminds me of the horrible time when Rwanda was forgotten and politicians kept talking while human being were salughtered in tousands
No peace, no negotiations... do a Yougoslavia on the dang Bashir ASAP!
Just my humble oponion
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Entusiasmo: Yep, that is NOW! same question as above....Assad never had any intention of sticking to any plan that he himself did not devise, so there was no hope for Annans peace plan.
So, don't back any peace plan in any conflict, cos we all know the target country or Regime or Leader won't play nice??
In that case, when the powers that be get to Bahrain, where people have been killed now for about two years, is there NO point in seeking a peaceful solution? or have I just placed a elephant in the room?
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Iseek: So, don't back any peace plan in any conflict, cos we all know the target country or Regime or Leader won't play nice??
In that case, when the powers that be get to Bahrain, where people have been killed now for about two years, is there NO point in seeking a peaceful solution? or have I just placed a elephant in the room?
In that case, when the powers that be get to Bahrain, where people have been killed now for about two years, is there NO point in seeking a peaceful solution? or have I just placed a elephant in the room?
Just came through on the news. Violence has now erupted inn Tripoli, 7 dead and 30 injured in fighting between pro and anti Assad supporters.
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Hot_Single_Dude: Pretty simple answer...
Kofi Annan can not do any thing and his so called "plan" does not work, and is no plan any way... Syrian regim is just killing time and trying to figure out how many more to kill, until the rebelion is over and out, and until people are so scared that they stop the resistance against the regim.
There are no negotiation options left, and actually there have never been negotiation options with the Syrian regim what so ever... Assads father killed hundreds of tousands and stayed on power and Bashir is willing to do the exact same . This family do not understand people being tired of them and Gadhaffi situation is reapeting it self and I am telling you... Syrian regim is way more violent and much better armed and trained than Gadhaffi regim was
There is no peace with the regim on charge for now in Syria... a sad fact but an undeniable fact, and mr. Annan will be absolutely sad some day soon because his so called "plan" is giving more time to Assad taking care of his oponents and this situation reminds me of the horrible time when Rwanda was forgotten and politicians kept talking while human being were salughtered in tousands
No peace, no negotiations... do a Yougoslavia on the dang Bashir ASAP!
Just my humble oponion
Kofi Annan can not do any thing and his so called "plan" does not work, and is no plan any way... Syrian regim is just killing time and trying to figure out how many more to kill, until the rebelion is over and out, and until people are so scared that they stop the resistance against the regim.
There are no negotiation options left, and actually there have never been negotiation options with the Syrian regim what so ever... Assads father killed hundreds of tousands and stayed on power and Bashir is willing to do the exact same . This family do not understand people being tired of them and Gadhaffi situation is reapeting it self and I am telling you... Syrian regim is way more violent and much better armed and trained than Gadhaffi regim was
There is no peace with the regim on charge for now in Syria... a sad fact but an undeniable fact, and mr. Annan will be absolutely sad some day soon because his so called "plan" is giving more time to Assad taking care of his oponents and this situation reminds me of the horrible time when Rwanda was forgotten and politicians kept talking while human being were salughtered in tousands
No peace, no negotiations... do a Yougoslavia on the dang Bashir ASAP!
Just my humble oponion
An opinion you are entitled to express.
I agree to a point on Rwanda, Thank You
However, again I ask WHY EVEN BOTHER to put in place a peace plan that NOBODY could see working, by some definitions, and also that it appears NOBODY wanted to work..
By the way, don't you think doing a "Yougoslavia" on Assad will also hugely increase the Civilian death rate??
Regards
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Iseek: You really believe the Rebels put their Weapons down went to the coffee houses and didn't play any part?
Question again, Why wasn't peace given a chance?
Yep, that is NOW! same question as above....
The Robert Fisk interview with ABC ?
Got it from one of your previous links (thank you) a very informative interview, I have a great respect for Fisk and for the most part I couldn't agree more with most of what he stated...
Thanks again...
Question again, Why wasn't peace given a chance?
Yep, that is NOW! same question as above....
The Robert Fisk interview with ABC ?
Got it from one of your previous links (thank you) a very informative interview, I have a great respect for Fisk and for the most part I couldn't agree more with most of what he stated...
Thanks again...
Guess you are not aware of the concept of ali babba.....
let me explain it.
In Iraq, after the US occupied it.....each house was allowed one gun for every adult man.....this to protect the house from 'ali babba'(bandits and thieves).
What you have going on in Syria....is Assad's Syrian Army coming into these mostly Sunni urban areas.....and attempting to do house searches taking all the weapons. Leaving them totally defenseless to ali babba (bandits and thieves)....and also the Assad killing teams.
So yes, these guys carrying and pack weapons.
Your problem is you equate peace with a weapon less society. You see Assad as being the rightful power of the country....when he represents only the Alawite and Shia minorities. Syria is 70% Sunni. So want you want is a minority leader....with blood on his hands....to rule a majority. These Syrian Freedom Army are packin weapons to protect their families and friends. The recent atrocities should tell you that.
Just like one Sadam Hussien was doing in Iraq, earlier. We all know how well worked.
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Iseek: Perhaps, But isn't that avoiding the question?
The question;
""Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails? ""
I back it, you back it, the US and most other entities back it however, as I stated, ""Very difficult to back the plan which is not followed by the key players."" Meaning we can wish that it works all we want but until Assad agrees to stopping his attacks (which at this point is unlikely as it is his survival at stake now rather than his position) there will be no peace plan but rather censures against those who do not adhere to the peace plan which of course are the key players.
However, to censure the opposition is to sentence them to death as Assad certainly will not stop unless his survival is assured, a guarantee complicated by the fact that those whom have backed him would then forfeit their survival hence, their agreeing to this plan is unlikely to say the least.
Iseek: It could well be argued that Saudi and others (who after all have Dogs in this fight) sending arms to the Rebels is a big hindrance to the peace process also.
It could be but in light of the fact that Assad agreed in April to follow the peace plan and within days shattered it by attacking the opposition I would say that had little to do with it.
Iseek: However the bigger question is why the peace process was declared doomed from day one ?
By whom?
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Albertaghost: question;
""Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails? ""
I back it, you back it, the US and most other entities back it however, as I stated, ""Very difficult to back the plan which is not followed by the key players."" Meaning we can wish that it works all we want but until Assad agrees to stopping his attacks (which at this point is unlikely as it is his survival at stake now rather than his position) there will be no peace plan but rather censures against those who do not adhere to the peace plan which of course are the key players.
However, to censure the opposition is to sentence them to death as Assad certainly will not stop unless his survival is assured, a guarantee complicated by the fact that those whom have backed him would then forfeit their survival hence, their agreeing to this plan is unlikely to say the least.
""Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails? ""
I back it, you back it, the US and most other entities back it however, as I stated, ""Very difficult to back the plan which is not followed by the key players."" Meaning we can wish that it works all we want but until Assad agrees to stopping his attacks (which at this point is unlikely as it is his survival at stake now rather than his position) there will be no peace plan but rather censures against those who do not adhere to the peace plan which of course are the key players.
However, to censure the opposition is to sentence them to death as Assad certainly will not stop unless his survival is assured, a guarantee complicated by the fact that those whom have backed him would then forfeit their survival hence, their agreeing to this plan is unlikely to say the least.
This will surprise the HELL out of you, but I agree with some of the above!
But as you partly stated THE KEY PLAYERS must be both Mr Assad and co, plus the FSA plus those others with a dog in the fight, in other words six point plan must apply to all, to give Peace a chance.
Albertaghost:
It could be but in light of the fact that Assad agreed in April to follow the peace plan and within days shattered it by attacking the opposition I would say that had little to do with it.
It could be but in light of the fact that Assad agreed in April to follow the peace plan and within days shattered it by attacking the opposition I would say that had little to do with it.
If in fact that is what happened, either way it only serves to add flame to the fire! Whilst we are supposed to be seeking a peaceful solution..
Albertaghost:
By whom?
By whom?
Within days the Friends of Syria, Press, so called experts. Ms Rice didn't hold back either..
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Iseek: This is a straight forward question, Why NOT give peace a chance by backing Kofi Annan to the absolute hilt FIRST, then consider other options IF peace fails?
The best would be sending Kofi where he came from and stick his plan where the sun don`t shine
The UN`s " good intention " will end up as in my country ,Iraq , Libya ,etc
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