IS THE SUPPORT OF THE EURO A FORERUNNER TO FEDERALISATION OF EUROPE.... (21)
patmac: Just a thought.
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
Heard this being discussed today on SKY, the mentioned that the United Coutries of Europe is become closer all the while.
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Ah yes, the Franco-German Reich takes shape.
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Entusiasmo: Heard this being discussed today on SKY, the mentioned that the United Coutries of Europe is become closer all the while.
Personally I thought the Euro was the begining of a move toward federalisation.....Overall I am pro Europe, but I do feel like many folk we are dictated to by so many unelected and self serving commisioners....Some of the laws or rules that come from Brussels re often hilarious....But often counter productive the Common Agriculture Programme for one costs us all billions....And is it worth the cost,doubtful
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patmac: Just a thought.
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
heard about the Inter-Alpha Group ???
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Boban1: heard about the Inter-Alpha Group ???
Inter Milan Yes
Inter City Yes
Alhpa ..........Nope
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patmac: Just a thought.
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....
It is plain to see to me: in max 10 years from now, Europe will be totally federalized. Even right now, local govs don't have any more effective power: they can be removed or changed in a blink of a eye, according to ECB's will.
The Euro currency is just part of the big plan; and you can bet it will survive, 'cause they want it to survive.
Talking about Germany: they basically have been cannibalized EU domestic consumptions since 1992. This is the main problem we're all experiencing.
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patmac: Inter Milan Yes
Inter City Yes
Alhpa ..........Nope
Inter City Yes
Alhpa ..........Nope
okay, when you have the time, check out this link
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MADDOG69: Ah yes, the Franco-German Reich takes shape.
Bro, believe me: I'd like to pick up my grandpa's goddamn IIWW musket and fight 'em once again. Too bad I can't. Damn democracy. But ain't gonna love 'em, that's is certainly sure.
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Well, Europe is very fortunate to have an example of what such a govermental structure would look like by examining The USA. We have just such a system and it works quite well most of the time. Of course we don't have the language barriers Europe has unless you include certain parts of the south lol. We've got 50 separate states each with it's own government. There's rivalry between states and regeons but it's mostly light hearted. Americans don't need a passport to travel between states. in fact 1 is 3000 miles away in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and another is separated from the mainland by another country, Canada. The federal gov trumps state gov in many areas though certain states think they are separate countries or wish they were. The legal system is interesting too. For instance murder is a state crime while kidnapping is a federal crime. I guess so a kidnapper can't evade justice by simply going to another state.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
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patmac: Germany is at this moment in time the engine that drives the Euro. Funnily a lot of the money borrowed was spent on German goods, providing Geramany good employment and a great GDP...
That's exactly why I said Germany has cannibalized the EU domestic market.
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ooby_dooby: Well, Europe is very fortunate to have an example of what such a govermental structure would look like by examining The USA. We have just such a system and it works quite well most of the time. Of course we don't have the language barriers Europe has unless you include certain parts of the south lol. We've got 50 separate states each with it's own government. There's rivalry between states and regeons but it's mostly light hearted. Americans don't need a passport to travel between states. in fact 1 is 3000 miles away in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and another is separated from the mainland by another country, Canada. The federal gov trumps state gov in many areas though certain states think they are separate countries or wish they were. The legal system is interesting too. For instance murder is a state crime while kidnapping is a federal crime. I guess so a kidnapper can't evade justice by simply going to another state.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
Language barriers? Maybe 20 years ago. Now almost everybody speaks English as a second language, so that's not the main problem.
We do not need a passport neither to travel throughout the Schengen Countries (plus Ireland and UK).
The main problem is the total MESS we're having with the European Commission: it would had been kinda a Fed Gov, but it has miserably failed.
Anyway yes, I agree with you: we should have a federal legal system. But I'm sure it's just a matter of time, it's coming.
They just have to decide how to solve the tricky part: having some kind of control over the European Central Bank. Cause those guys are totally crazy.
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I thought it was already decided to locate the new EU federal government in Berlin. Money talks bs walks.
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I'll say YES, the support of EURO,is the forerunner.
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ooby_dooby: Well, Europe is very fortunate to have an example of what such a govermental structure would look like by examining The USA. We have just such a system and it works quite well most of the time. Of course we don't have the language barriers Europe has unless you include certain parts of the south lol. We've got 50 separate states each with it's own government. There's rivalry between states and regeons but it's mostly light hearted. Americans don't need a passport to travel between states. in fact 1 is 3000 miles away in the middle of the Pacific Ocean and another is separated from the mainland by another country, Canada. The federal gov trumps state gov in many areas though certain states think they are separate countries or wish they were. The legal system is interesting too. For instance murder is a state crime while kidnapping is a federal crime. I guess so a kidnapper can't evade justice by simply going to another state.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
Incorporating a European federal government would be an awesome difficult time consuming task but in the end Europe would be a lot stronger for it. You could call it the USE.
Not sure OOOOBY if you understand the totally different cultures in Europe..Not trying to be patronising or anything else but Europe is vastly different from America in that aspect..We have numerous differnt countries all different in outlook and we also have a northern southern split wich is hugely different from the USA's...It would of course be set uo in the same way as the USA is but it will take time...
Germany is itself a federal state...They understand federalism better than most of Europeans do...
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doesn`t anyone see that a Single Global Currency is the real threat ???
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Boban1: doesn`t anyone see that a Single Global Currency is the real threat ???
Well they all looked fairly happy in Star Trek....
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Boban1: okay, when you have the time, check out this link
Interesting, but I am looking for the political angle on the question really .....
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Maybe, but the Euro may not survive for much longer.
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I've never been to Europe so I may be talking out my waste pipe but on this side of the pond state power is dependant on population. This just seems to make sense. Therefore yes Germany would be the biggest voting block followed by France the UK Italy & Spain.
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Is the continued support of the Euro from Germany and the Central bank a sign of the possible federalisation of Europe ???
The Southern states within the Euroone are struggling and need the support of Germany (mainly) and the Central Bank.
I am not having go at any country here, but just asking why for instance Greece has to make huge changes and borrow so much at a high rate it will be in an austere state for many years.
Thousands are unemployed and have little chance of getting employment.
The state has little or no chance of supporting the poor folk who are losing their jobs.
The Euro has been a great boon to Germany and the Northern European states but the one size fits all did not suit other states who's interest rates and tax receipts did not fit the requiements.
Is the Euro just a forerunner to making Europe a set of federal state having one tax system one interesr rate....In fact one country...
The huge borrowing of some states was fine when the banks had the money. However, due to the banking collapse it became clear some states had boorrowed way above their GDP and this led to what we have now.
The question I have is. If The Euro survive the way it is at the moment it is going to cost an absolute fortune and would it not be better to let some states leave and find their own levels and rate of recovery with a currency of it's own.
Or is the Euro really being supported to ensure a Federal Europe.
Disscus please folks....