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Jun 15, 2012 5:42 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Religion/cultural habits/ first names, surnames etc. of all topics.doh ..

I am amazed that after not having to include in my thoughts for the last 50 odd years religion..

Growing up, we just did not ask our friends, nor neighbors what religion they were, and just assumed that people had their own beliefs in what ever religion they were christened in... or not.. Just never went there with the topic.. scold

Now I find, that religion has crept into my daily life, either because of current affairs, or because of work colleagues, or from the people that I see on a day to day basis...uh oh

I find it almost a study when it comes to cultural norms, that I now have to be mindful that I dont offer anyone a sandwich because it may contain meat, that I cant offer a bowl of food about the office, because its someone's day to be honoring someone or something, so its a fasting day... then, of course, there are days, when colleagues dont show, because its a sharing of food day, or festival day, where they sit home and cook to share..

I am NOT saying any of this is wrong, I just look back and see how much change is happening..and wonder how much more to come..?dunno

Re names, we just say our first and surnames, we dont take on our mothers surnames, or grandmothers surname, (when married), and dont have our husbands, and we dont usually worry about all the names in the middle.. and we dont usually allow our in-laws to name our babies.. Gosh, I am getting right mixed up with all of this... anyone else feel the same. ??

Oh, and for some cultures, I get so confused to which is the first, second and third & or fourth name, because they mix them all up and use some or all of them... confused

Thoughts please... is anyone else as confused as me... grin
Jun 15, 2012 5:52 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
I know what you mean Merri, but there is only so far you can take other peoples beliefs into consideration, they also have to take your beliefs into consideration, it has to be a two way street.

I went to Sunday school as a kid, but it wasnt a one denominational Sunday school, we had catholics, presbys, COE's and a few others as well. Maybe that is where my tolerance towards others beliefs started.

We have a multitude of religions/beliefs at work as well, and one lady who "fasts" regularly... she still eats just chooses not to eat certain foods on certain days.. tehre is no way you could keep up with it laugh

as for names, wel in my job I have to type a hell of a lot of different ones, had one the other day that I am still shaking my head at.
One poor unfortunate girls name was...

My Duong

poor kid!laugh
Jun 15, 2012 5:57 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
no not that confused....hehe
Depends how serious people are about there perceptions of reality.
Names are really just labels, is cultural if you like. Is a complete nonsense as they are mere labels.

Australia is becoming ever more multicultural, more and more people as they get older study to try and figure what on earth is actually going on. We know most of the countries so called leaders are talking crap and emptying the cookie jar as far as they can while proclaiming all knowingness and even deaf, dumb and stupid person over time can figure out what been going on and on is in many ways wrong. Bit like following Linda Chamberlind (spl ?) story. Deaf, dumb and stupid person knowing what occurred could have figured out a Dingo took the kid, no not the academics they convicted her of murder. Most of our life we all been misslead in thinking others know what they are, or were doing, in hindsight all deeply deluded so lots of people got there own way of diving into there thought process to try and make sense of life. I think
Jun 15, 2012 5:57 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Nature123
Nature123Nature123Australia, Queensland Australia68 Threads 2 Polls 739 Posts
I was going to bed but this is more interesting.

I am doing community services, you have to know about all the religious beliefs of different clients,foods they eat,clothes they wear,what the kids can and cannot play with.work out and help new comers to the country find schools for the kids.
Then you have all those with abi or Tbi. Then as you said the name thing.


What happened to this is John mark smith and he eats anything.LOL

I hope I am not the confused one this is what you are talking about is it not .LOL
Jun 15, 2012 6:02 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
jem1964: I know what you mean Merri, but there is only so far you can take other peoples beliefs into consideration, they also have to take your beliefs into consideration, it has to be a two way street.

I went to Sunday school as a kid, but it wasnt a one denominational Sunday school, we had catholics, presbys, COE's and a few others as well. Maybe that is where my tolerance towards others beliefs started.

We have a multitude of religions/beliefs at work as well, and one lady who "fasts" regularly... she still eats just chooses not to eat certain foods on certain days.. tehre is no way you could keep up with it

as for names, wel in my job I have to type a hell of a lot of different ones, had one the other day that I am still shaking my head at.
One poor unfortunate girls name was...

My Duong

poor kid!


Hi Gem, wave

Poor lass... but I guess that is the way it is... I get so confused with all the different surnames, because where it was once really simple, if you were a Smith, that was it, you were Miss or Mrs Smith, and we could be pretty sure that your hubby was Mr Smith too, not now...


If I have to try and sus out what your surname is, I cannot auto assume its the same surname as the hubby, it could be a family surname, ( as in your granny's surname, the surname are often taken from the female line.) so when two people present and they want a loan, and I am supposed to only give one loan to one family, how in the heck can I work it out...

So I guess what I am saying is... we Aussies are going to have to make major changes to processes.. because our processes do not fit with the culture that come here to live... conversing
Jun 15, 2012 6:04 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Nature123: I was going to bed but this is more interesting.

I am doing community services, you have to know about all the religious beliefs of different clients,foods they eat,clothes they wear,what the kids can and cannot play with.work out and help new comers to the country find schools for the kids.
Then you have all those with abi or Tbi. Then as you said the name thing. What happened to this is John mark smith and he eats anything.LOL

I hope I am not the confused one this is what you are talking about is it not .LOL



Hi Nature, yes hun, spot on... just having a yarn about stuff that we never had to deal with in the past, but is fast becoming the norm... and again... I am not saying its wrong, nor bagging it... It just is...
Jun 15, 2012 6:20 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
robplum: no not that confused....hehe
Depends how serious people are about there perceptions of reality.
Names are really just labels, is cultural if you like. Is a complete nonsense as they are mere labels.

Australia is becoming ever more multicultural, more and more people as they get older study to try and figure what on earth is actually going on. We know most of the countries so called leaders are talking crap and emptying the cookie jar as far as they can while proclaiming all knowingness and even deaf, dumb and stupid person over time can figure out what been going on and on is in many ways wrong. Bit like following Linda Chamberlind (spl ?) story. Deaf, dumb and stupid person knowing what occurred could have figured out a Dingo took the kid, no not the academics they convicted her of murder. Most of our life we all been misslead in thinking others know what they are, or were doing, in hindsight all deeply deluded so lots of people got there own way of diving into there thought process to try and make sense of life. I think


Hi Rob, I am so deeply ashamed that people thought ill thoughts about poor Lindy, and I agree with you, as I have all these years.. There was no motive, and no opportunity, but the poor soul still copped it.. The truth there will be revealed - one day - as she said in her interview...

" Most of our life we all been misslead in thinking others know what they are, or were doing, in hindsight all deeply deluded so lots of people got there own way of diving into there thought process to try and make sense of life. I think"

Now, I think that perhaps, that is what I am trying to discuss.. How can we possibly try to learn all that is placed before us and is it right that we attempt to learn it, and how can we reconcile our thoughts... its hard really, because its only for so long that we can think... Oh, I dont want to know ... but in truth, we need to judge for ourselves, and does all this fit with our own core values..

Say for instance, the fact that here in Aus, people cannot go round killing people, especially wives for tiny misdemenours, but in their country they can, so if a hubby wants to pop off his wife, especially if I have made friends with the wife, and have heard her side of the story, he can entice his wife back to their original country and pop her off, because males are pretty highly regarded, but females are not... this sorta does not sit well with my core values...

What do you all think ? Remember, the wife cannot refuse the husbands commands... ???
Jun 15, 2012 6:25 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Obscuritan
ObscuritanObscuritanMelbourne, Victoria Australia37 Threads 3 Polls 1,284 Posts
Yes there's a lot to get used to.
I think that generally most migrants don't expect us to bend over backwards to conform to their norms. If someone is fasting then they can just say "no thanks" if you pass a plate around.
One person may stay home to celebrate some religious feast, another doesn't turn up for work because he has a massive hangover - or it's really good fishing weather.
Jun 15, 2012 6:31 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
Obscuritan: Yes there's a lot to get used to.
I think that generally most migrants don't expect us to bend over backwards to conform to their norms. If someone is fasting then they can just say "no thanks" if you pass a plate around.
One person may stay home to celebrate some religious feast, another doesn't turn up for work because he has a massive hangover - or it's really good fishing weather.


hehehe... yes, I guess that is true... the massive hangover or really good fishing weather... Thanks Obsi,

but go deeper than that... look at the darker side of the picture..

I have put up two examples...

One is ... if our rules for a $ grant say, is one per family, how do we know if we are being scammed.
&
how do we as independent, clear thinking and working women, reconcile to working with women who are 'yes' women to their husbands every wish and command... even if they know their hubby's want to pop them off, and take them back to their country of origin to do it, because they have worked out that they cannot do it here...???
Jun 15, 2012 6:41 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
You mentioned killing the wife off, you get a lot sorter sentence knocking her off than you get from the family court
Jun 15, 2012 6:58 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
Just make sure the sandwiches you offer aren't peanut butter as that will kill some people.
As for traces of meat being present, you will have to get some labels and state that loudly and clearly
Jun 15, 2012 6:58 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Well your talking about entrenched expectations the system holds. I know nothing about my mothers family tree, yet there are thousands of words posted on my web about the male side of the family. Cause that's what the system pushed on our thought process.

The land deeds in this country express all the land is owned by the church, parish of this and that because the church carved up Australia into lots that people got to use the first six inches of.

Tibetan people would usually name the children after the teacher they most associated there belief with. They didn't count date of birth, at best the Tibetan year of birth was used. Different cultures beliefs.

Holding solid what is not solid is a Christian trait not one shared by many other cultures or beleifs
Jun 15, 2012 7:40 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
Family lines and names are very hard to follow. Most cultures follow the male line. Oddly enough, Jewishness follws the matriarchial line while names follow the patriarchial line.

When you get down to names. I have worked with Sri Lankans who are known by (oftened a shortened name) of the first name written. But this is their family name and the 2nd name is their "named" name. And then you have northern Indians who are have the 2nd name as the faimily name or just "rajah" (etc) on the end of their name to indicate the continuation.

Brother's father-in-law is Indian. Now that is one complicated name saying. I know I should not put this on the net but... Her name before marriage was Sarasa Balasubramanium, meaning daughter of Balasubramanium and he was known as Bala. Her brother's name is Ambubalasubra, commonly known as Ambu. So his 'official name is Ambu Ambubalsubra.

And then we have the new age/progressive feminist/antidisestablishmentarism (officially the longest word in the English dictionary) people who want to go against traditions they were brought up with.

Friend's sister was expecting. If male, had his surname. if female, her surname. WTF
Jun 15, 2012 8:15 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Balasubramaniam (or Balasubrahmanyam) (Tamil: ?????????????? or ????????????????, Telugu: ??? ????????????) is a South Indian name. It is derived from the Sanskrit words balu meaning "young," and Subramaniam (itself derived from the Sanskrit words su, meaning "good" or "dear," and bramanian, meaning brahmin, translating loosely as "dear to Brahmins"). By extension, it refers to the Hindu god Murugan as a child or young man, the way the term Balakrishna refers to the young Krishna.
Jun 15, 2012 8:18 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Sarasa is a female name in Japanese. It is also an Indian name, being a shortened form of Saraswati.

and when i follow Saraswati

This article is about the goddess in Puranic Hinduism and Buddhism. For the Vedic river or river goddess, see Sarasvati River.
Saraswati

Saraswati sits on the bank of a river, holds a book and beads, and plays music on Veena, as a peacock looks on, in a painting by Mysore Wodeyar kingdomRaja Ravi Varma
Devanagari ???????
Sanskrit Transliteration Saraswati
Affiliation Devi (Tridevi)
Abode Brahmapura
Mantra Om Aim Sarasvatyai Svaha
Consort Brahma
Mount swan, Hansa Bird, and often peacock
This article contains Indic text. Without proper rendering support, you may see question marks or boxes, misplaced vowels or missing conjuncts instead of Indic text.
In Hinduism, Saraswati (Sanskrit: ???????, Sarasvati ?), is the goddess of knowledge, music, arts and science. She is the consort of Brahma, also revered as his Shakti. Her figure is also popular in the Jain religion of west and central India. In Konkani she is Saraswati, Sharada, Veenapani, Pustaka dharini, Vidyadayini. In Kannada, she is Sharade, Sharadamba, Vani, Veenapani in the famous Shringeri temple. In Tamil, she is also known as kalaimagal (???????), Kalaivaani (???????), Vaani (????). She is also addressed as sharadha, Veena pustaka dharani, vaakdevi, varadhanayagi and many other names.
The name Saraswati comes from saras (meaning "flow") and wati (meaning "she who has ..."), i.e., "she who has flow". So, Saraswati is symbol of knowledge; its flow (or growth) is like a river, and knowledge is supremely alluring, like a beautiful woman. She is depicted as a beautiful fair goddess with four arms, wearing a spotless white saree and seated on a white lotus. She is also known as Sharada, Vani and Vagdevi (all meaning "speech").
Saraswati is the guardian of Earth. She is also called Druga for fighting off Drug (Drug, the name for female demon in ancient Veda, from the Sanskrit root druh, "to be hostile"). The name Druga is made of Sanskrit dru or dur ("with difficulty") and ga or ja ("come", "go"). Saraswati is known as a guardian deity in Buddhism who upholds the teachings of Gautama Buddha by offering protection and assistance to practitioners. She is known in Burmese as Thurathadi or ) or Tipitaka Medaw , pronounced: [t?p?t?ka? m?`d?`]), in Chinese as Biàncáitian (???), in Thai as Surasawadee (????????) and in Japanese as Benzaiten (???/???). In the East Indian states of Bihar, West Bengal, and Orissa, Saraswati is considered to be a daughter of Durga along with her sister Lakshmi and her brothers Ganesha and Karthikeya.
Jun 15, 2012 8:30 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
Umm RobP, I know that you are well entrenched in your views of our laws, but can we keep to topic...

i was keeping to the topic
perhaps you haven't listened to the queensland news lately and miss recollection of all the kids been chucked of bridges, driven into dames, gassed in cars, which i'm promoting as a demonstrating of some of the differences between the male and female thinking process.
I was in my mind keeping to the subject matter that you raised, though you seemed to prefer to relate it to mainly other countries dunno but probably the muslem mistreatment of women, while meanwhile it often happens here to

and you went on to state
Say for instance, the fact that here in Aus, people cannot go round killing people, especially wives for tiny misdemenours, but in their country they can, so if a hubby wants to pop off his wife, especially if I have made friends with the wife, and have heard her side of the story, he can entice his wife back to their original country and pop her off, because males are pretty highly regarded, but females are not... this sorta does not sit well with my core values...
Jun 15, 2012 8:34 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
I found strange however in India there is an area where people can murder some one, a town where nothing is done to anyone for killing some one
Jun 15, 2012 8:41 AM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
robplum: Sarasa is Indian .


Sorry Rob, had to delete a bit there. And read it and greatly appreciate the roots of the many different variations from the original names. Have also met a lady from South Afica whose name is Saras and not of Indian derivation. Many of us have derivations of other names. Even the one I use on here. It is the one I am commonly known by over the last 60 years.

Names these days are based on fancy, sometimes aimed at what we want it to mean although some are just historically usage.
Jun 15, 2012 5:06 PM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
Hi Merri , Isnt it up to the individual to deal with his or her own political cultural & religious beliefs?
Australia is multicultural now each person has the right to do & be whomever they wish It is not up to others to be on guard as to not offend , It is upto the person to stick to their own code of practice !
If I offer the muslum lady a ham sanga , she can always say no thanks !
Thats what people forget , we are Australian, we are free, there are no restraints , just be who you want to be and respect others & we will be your mates,Oh and lets not forget the Aussie code of giving a nick name Ali abdulah suriati rudditia might just have to become Ruddo Its the Aussie way ....cheers
Jun 15, 2012 5:13 PM CST lets just have a bit of discussion here about
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
robplum: I found strange however in India there is an area where people can murder some one, a town where nothing is done to anyone for killing some one



Might have to take the ex hubby there for a 10 yr divorce celebration...batting giggle
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