Greek antiquities in the British Museum. (383)
chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 PostsShall the Greek antiguities KEPT in the British Museum??? or RETURNED to it rightful owners??? as officially the Greek government, has demanded for their return.
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I believe every country should have the right to take back it's own antiques as we all know how they have been taken at first place.
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There is a world wide movement for antiquities housed in museums,other than their country of origin to be returned.
KremaP: I believe every country should have the right to take back it's own antiques as we all know how they have been taken at first place.
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chris27292729: Shall the Greek antiguities KEPT in the British Museum??? or RETURNED to it rightful owners??? as officially the Greek government, has demanded for their return.
As usually the tryants and pirates do, the Royal British Colonisers stole from everywhere they went to, and owe a lot back to the world. Mexico, Greece, Turkey and Egypst have also been robbed.
But perhaps the most notable robbery is of the famous KOHINOOR DIAMOND, that is part of the CROWN today, at display at the Tower of London. The originally 186 carat, now cut down to 105.6 carats, is something that India has asked back many times, but british royals have blatantly refused.
Happy stolen diamond jubilee!
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my under pants were robbed from my washing line
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pedro27: my under pants were robbed from my washing line
Pedro - You legend
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Any idea who stole them,or somebody was in great need to use them,and going to returned them shortly, Unless you considered them a discard.
pedro27: my under pants were robbed from my washing line
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Personally i very much liked to see them moved back to Greece,especially the one's belonging to the Akropolis,in he new museum exactly under the Akropolis.-
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chris27292729: Shall the Greek antiguities KEPT in the British Museum??? or RETURNED to it rightful owners??? as officially the Greek government, has demanded for their return.
Apart from being wealth to the country it is also part of that country history .... For the people of "that" to view and admire and be proud of JMO
Great thread Chris :thread:
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chris27292729: Shall the Greek antiguities KEPT in the British Museum??? or RETURNED to it rightful owners??? as officially the Greek government, has demanded for their return.
Apart from being wealth to the country it is also part of that country history .... For the people of "that" to view and admire and be proud of JMO
Great thread Chris :thread:
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pedro27: my under pants were robbed from my washing line
I heard it had arrows pointing ???
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chris27292729: Shall the Greek antiguities KEPT in the British Museum??? or RETURNED to it rightful owners??? as officially the Greek government, has demanded for their return.
Chris.
I watched a program on this before about how that guy (forget his name) had the sculptures removed from the face of the acropolis after agreeing with the Ottoman rulers at the time. While I have some sympathy with the plight of Athens over this, there can be no denying that they were actually safer inside the sterile conditions within a British Museum than left to suffer the fate of some of the monuments that were left there.
IF it's any consolation, the guy (forget his name) that orchestrated the removal of these things, was driven to ruin over his obsession with them things.
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I looked up his name, The 'Elgin Marbles', Thomas Bruce was his name.
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@Maxmate: I lectured before to you about the limitations of the British Royal family in the workings of the UK itself and how insignificant they really are. I don't want to have to waste my little fingers doing it again. lol
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MADDOG69: Chris.
I watched a program on this before about how that guy (forget his name) had the sculptures removed from the face of the acropolis after agreeing with the Ottoman rulers at the time. While I have some sympathy with the plight of Athens over this, there can be no denying that they were actually safer inside the sterile conditions within a British Museum than left to suffer the fate of some of the monuments that were left there.
IF it's any consolation, the guy (forget his name) that orchestrated the removal of these things, was driven to ruin over his obsession with them things.
I watched a program on this before about how that guy (forget his name) had the sculptures removed from the face of the acropolis after agreeing with the Ottoman rulers at the time. While I have some sympathy with the plight of Athens over this, there can be no denying that they were actually safer inside the sterile conditions within a British Museum than left to suffer the fate of some of the monuments that were left there.
IF it's any consolation, the guy (forget his name) that orchestrated the removal of these things, was driven to ruin over his obsession with them things.
Good man Maddog. Excellent points.
Still and all, I'd say that more than likely the Greeks are well capable of adequately caring for and storing their own antiquities now, and in the interests of fairness to all, should offer *something* by way of appreciation for safe keep of their precious artefacts.
This is where it gets tricky though....and you'd wonder if court proceedings (groan) would be needed.
If the artefacts were "wrongfully got", but kept safely and returned now in good condition....what should be the arrangements I wonder??
I think possibly some form of a 'token' "Thank You for minding them all these years, though your ancestors stole them in the first place" would still be appropriate....and above all....appropriate in the interests of creating good will between countries and peoples.
JMO
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Thnks Nessa,is more who owns what and why.......The cradle of the European civilisation has many antiquities,either in museum or in the open for everybody to view and admire.- Now why pieces of the Akropolis you can find in the British Museum,and not its place of origing is beyont me.
Nessa7: Apart from being wealth to the country it is also part of that country history .... For the people of "that" to view and admire and be proud of JMO
Great thread Chris :thread:
Great thread Chris :thread:
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chris27292729: Thnks Nessa,is more who owns what and why.......The cradle of the European civilisation has many antiquities,either in museum or in the open for everybody to view and admire.- Now why pieces of the Akropolis you can find in the British Museum,and not its place of origing is beyont me.
I agree Chris .... I guess its time for it to be handed back for the rightful owners/country to show it off has it does hold a lot of sentimental value to the people of Greece .....
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almera03: I strongly disagree.......with naming a Counrty where Greek atrifacts are held, and note only One Country was mentioned, and then for someone to have a personal agenda attack on that Country and its Royal Family, then yes I was very correct to say what I said.
Someone?? Who?
British Royals STOLE the KHINOOR Diamond. YES OR NO?
Indians have been asking them to return it back. YES OR NO?
almera03: Chris will know that Greek Atrifacts are held in many Countries, including the Vatican, so there was no need to single out a Country. He will also know that the security of their own Artifacts in his Country is very poor and are still liable to be sold or stolen. Plus many of those Artifacts spread around the World happened because they were sold by the Greeks, often by being plundered by Greeks.
So the premise is that IF, and I repeat, IF there is a self-invented (ROYAL)presumption that the artifacts may not be safe in the country that owns them, it should mean that Britain should be allowed to STEAL it? Doesn't make any sense.
Can I please take your house, cos it may be prone to burglary as I THINK IT IS. So will you give me your HOUSE and your VALUABLES?
almera03: I'm not against Atrifacts being repatriated, I am against threads being used to attack individaul Countries.
Ofcourse, the INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES that STOLE would be named. Instead of giving back the KOHINOOR DIAMOND the ROYALS put it in the crown and feel proud to have a stolen diamond juibilee?? I mean are there any morals left? Come on!
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I agree with you about Greek artifacts held in other museums,also plundered by Greeks as well,also by non Greeks,who knew where to look. Now in the British Museum there is a section,with the so called "Elgin marbles",which been stored for decades,before found in a very sorry state of afairs,and then clean them and stored them,and then,took their place in the British Museum. The Elgin Marbles are part of the Acropolis,and are housed in the British Museum,thats why one country mentioned UK.- The security in the brand New Acropolis Museum,only 3 years old,guarantee repatriation,(it seems you agree been repatriated) in the country which made them,as well the country who owns them.
almera03: I strongly disagree.......with naming a Counrty where Greek atrifacts are held, and note only One Country was mentioned, and then for someone to have a personal agenda attack on that Country and its Royal Family, then yes I was very correct to say what I said.
Chris will know that Greek Atrifacts are held in many Countries, including the Vatican, so there was no need to single out a Country. He will also know that the security of their own Artifacts in his Country is very poor and are still liable to be sold or stolen. Plus many of those Artifacts spread around the World happened because they were sold by the Greeks, often by being plundered by Greeks.
I'm not against Atrifacts being repatriated, I am against threads being used to attack individaul Countries.
Chris will know that Greek Atrifacts are held in many Countries, including the Vatican, so there was no need to single out a Country. He will also know that the security of their own Artifacts in his Country is very poor and are still liable to be sold or stolen. Plus many of those Artifacts spread around the World happened because they were sold by the Greeks, often by being plundered by Greeks.
I'm not against Atrifacts being repatriated, I am against threads being used to attack individaul Countries.
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"Or, it may be because Britain has a majority of such antiquities in its possession."
Sorry, I should have clarified this more. I did say it "may be", though I don't know. I'd be very interested though in such information.
Although then again, it all happened a long time ago, and it's probably best if the people of today have a bit of sense, put differences aside, which were not of their making,and work things out amicably.
If we can't do things like this, even *agreeing* to such things just on a tiny thread like this, our goal of civilisation will NEVER be realised.
Sorry, I should have clarified this more. I did say it "may be", though I don't know. I'd be very interested though in such information.
Although then again, it all happened a long time ago, and it's probably best if the people of today have a bit of sense, put differences aside, which were not of their making,and work things out amicably.
If we can't do things like this, even *agreeing* to such things just on a tiny thread like this, our goal of civilisation will NEVER be realised.
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