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Jul 22, 2012 2:55 PM CST another mass shooting
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
montemonte: The story about Jessica has gotten a lot of attention. I didn't read your link because I knew who you were referring to but from what they are saying on the news is she wrote on her blog after the Toronto shooting saying how blessed she feels to be alive and that "she never wants to go through that again". The murderer in this shooting at first hit her in the arm/leg. When she screamed "I've been shot" he saw her and shot her in the head.


All this violence is heart-breaking and there seems to be more and more of it all the time sad flower
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Jul 22, 2012 2:59 PM CST another mass shooting
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
venusenvy: All this violence is heart-breaking and there seems to be more and more of it all the time


It only seems that way. Remember we had 2 world wars in the last century. I'm afraid humanity has always been steeped in violence and it's often government endorsed.conversing
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Jul 22, 2012 3:01 PM CST another mass shooting
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
venusenvy: All this violence is heart-breaking and there seems to be more and more of it all the time


It seems however per person there is less than there ever was.
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Jul 22, 2012 3:04 PM CST another mass shooting
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
The story about all those who died and were shot is very sad but the story about Jessica hits many hearts. I can't imagine aiming a gun at someones head knowing that when you pull the trigger, you are going to end that persons life. It's a finality that I don't understand. sad flower
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Jul 22, 2012 3:05 PM CST another mass shooting
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
You guys are right those are both valid points...I guess we are just more aware now. sigh
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Jul 22, 2012 3:24 PM CST another mass shooting
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
venusenvy: You guys are right those are both valid points...I guess we are just more aware now.


That and social changes have occurred that were unthinkable thousands of years ago. As we are more aware of events we become personally interested and invested so that others pain becomes more and more our own to some degree which is why it seems there is more violence.
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Jul 25, 2012 2:13 PM CST another mass shooting
TartanK
TartanKTartanKGlasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK1 Threads 333 Posts
And what's wrong with owning a full auto anything? quote]
Are you for real? What's wrong with it is that some idiot with a gripe against the world goes into a public place and starts spraying bullets at innocent people. Just what does any decent citizen need with an automatic gun anyway? For "home defence"? Just who do they expect to attack their home? The entire Sioux nation? Rommel and his Afrika Korps?

Guns kill people. A guy with a knife might kill a couple of people if he goes nuts. A guy with an automatic weapon will get that into double figures.
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Jul 25, 2012 3:33 PM CST another mass shooting
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
TartanK: And what's wrong with owning a full auto anything? quote]
Are you for real? What's wrong with it is that some idiot with a gripe against the world goes into a public place and starts spraying bullets at innocent people. Just what does any decent citizen need with an automatic gun anyway? For "home defence"? Just who do they expect to attack their home? The entire Sioux nation? Rommel and his Afrika Korps?

Guns kill people. A guy with a knife might kill a couple of people if he goes nuts. A guy with an automatic weapon will get that into double figures.
there has been a string of mass murders in NZ over the years , one killed 6 or seven family members with a hammer , the system is going to let him go to . Once he has served his time .News reports here are saying that there was 3000 people apply for gun licences in the state where the shooting took place .People voting with their "feet" . Here you would never get a licence if you said you wanted a firearm for self defence . Our government is only too happy to have victims .
I used to hunt with semi's (pigs cattle , and deer ) only two times have I ever needed 5 rounds for safty reasons .A 100 round drum mag is not needed for sport . Rambo wanabes , fine, put them in a club and let the club police them .
Two mass shootings here warning flags were there for the police but were ignored, what a waste .
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Jul 30, 2012 12:06 AM CST another mass shooting
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
epirb: Most familys from NZ ,AUS Canada England ,US and many other countries have lost family members to stop tyrants .Some have not stopped giving up family members . Your part of the world has not been the last part where my own family has served peace making rather than peace keeping . You might like to temper what you say


I was on peace making and peace keeping missions as well. ( Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan ). My family members were in both wars. In first my great grand father fought on Sonzo river ( Alps ), and in second my family from mothers side, fought Germans as Partizan's, and from my fathers side, they were all deported to concentration camps . . . . few came back. In the last Balkan war I lost family, they were soldiers. Vanished with out a trace - - we still do not know where they are.

So . . . as you can see, I am not a stranger to . . . . doing things that needs to be done. Thus why I wrote what I did . . . . every life lost is a tragedy in every way . . . what I am saying is . . the ones lost in the states are no more special then any other life lost . . . I am talking about media hypocrisy, and how everybody is feeling sorry for the tragedy - - - Forgetting, that there is a whole other world out there . . . . You mistake my lack of feeling sorry, for lack of - - - compassion . . . whole different things . . . .

I do stand behind what I wrote about the American society as a whole - - that breeds people who are capable of doing such things - - - - With the exception of Breivik - - - - these things don't happen in Europe - - - I mean there is murder and crime and so on - - - - But it is on a different - - let's say - - - - social / psychological - - - level - - -
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Jul 30, 2012 12:33 AM CST another mass shooting
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
54xmax: I was on peace making and peace keeping missions as well. ( Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan ). My family members were in both wars. In first my great grand father fought on Sonzo river ( Alps ), and in second my family from mothers side, fought Germans as Partizan's, and from my fathers side, they were all deported to concentration camps . . . . few came back. In the last Balkan war I lost family, they were soldiers. Vanished with out a trace - - we still do not know where they are.

So . . . as you can see, I am not a stranger to . . . . doing things that needs to be done. Thus why I wrote what I did . . . . every life lost is a tragedy in every way . . . what I am saying is . . the ones lost in the states are no more special then any other life lost . . . I am talking about media hypocrisy, and how everybody is feeling sorry for the tragedy - - - Forgetting, that there is a whole other world out there . . . . You mistake my lack of feeling sorry, for lack of - - - compassion . . . whole different things . . . .

I do stand behind what I wrote about the American society as a whole - - that breeds people who are capable of doing such things - - - - With the exception of Breivik - - - - these things don't happen in Europe - - - I mean there is murder and crime and so on - - - - But it is on a different - - let's say - - - - social / psychological - - - level - - -
Breivik was not the first in Europe , England had one like that a few years back , what happened in France was not much different . Your family had to fight because they were there . The hypocrisy can be challenged by the fact that many people volunteer to fight in those places , lose so much from familys and still have members come foward to volunteer .
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Jul 30, 2012 12:55 AM CST another mass shooting
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
epirb: Breivik was not the first in Europe , England had one like that a few years back , what happened in France was not much different . Your family had to fight because they were there . The hypocrisy can be challenged by the fact that many people volunteer to fight in those places , lose so much from familys and still have members come foward to volunteer .


Yes they do - - - we do - - - simply cos it is the right thing to do . . .
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