pyscotherapy (39)
robplum: yeah most of the shrinks talk complete nonsense
Psychology has some merits
Psychiatrist founded by Sigmund Freud, in part according to Freud, the unconscious continues to influence our behavior and experiences even though we are unaware of these underlying influences.
In my opinion Psychiatrist should be banned from practicing anywhere, paid personal assassins they are often used to frame people in proceedings. That school of thought refuses to accept the notion of Karma, therefore they are completely ignorant of the true nature of, and actual workings of our dualistic mind.
Prescribing pills altering the sharpness of a persons mind is harmful, reduces chance of recovery from stress, increases dependency on another person instead of assisting a person to take more responsibility for there own happiness, takes away an chance of someone resolving a misguided perception with the tool they should be using to resolve conflict with, theee own upstairs department,
Psychology has some merits
Psychiatrist founded by Sigmund Freud, in part according to Freud, the unconscious continues to influence our behavior and experiences even though we are unaware of these underlying influences.
In my opinion Psychiatrist should be banned from practicing anywhere, paid personal assassins they are often used to frame people in proceedings. That school of thought refuses to accept the notion of Karma, therefore they are completely ignorant of the true nature of, and actual workings of our dualistic mind.
Prescribing pills altering the sharpness of a persons mind is harmful, reduces chance of recovery from stress, increases dependency on another person instead of assisting a person to take more responsibility for there own happiness, takes away an chance of someone resolving a misguided perception with the tool they should be using to resolve conflict with, theee own upstairs department,
so true....Be not conformed to the things of this world but be transformed by the renewal of your mind. I work on this every day....positive thoughts..(training myself to refuse entry of irrational/negative thought patterns. I understand traumatic/abusive backgrounds from a personal perspective ...I have a diagnosis but refused to be defined by this. I listened and just like having a broken leg...I treated it, in my mind as temporary. I no longer take medication....I learnt how to gain control of my thought patterns....and various other techniques....including stepping away from people that were not supportive. Hard....hard and then harder still......but that passed and it was worth every second.
observing our thoughts is best practice, its the very place we need to be watching. Thought i do think we should just observe, as much as possible watch them.
then there is another worthwhile process to master, that's stilling the mind, put it into park, as our thought process otherwise is unceasing, we follow a thought and before resolving anything, grasp another thought and likewise before resolving anything grasp another. Breaking that process i found hard, once perceiving what i was been offered with a breathing meditation it still took months and months before i could just park my mind without processing a continuous flow of thoughts.
just a natural breath breathing in one nostril (say left) and out the other (right 11 times
Then in (Right) and out the (Left) 11 times
Then in both and out both 11 times
Whole process with getting distracted by a thought (e.g don't follow any thought) x 3
Great for both the body and thought process, actually the body completely relaxes when you do it
then there is another worthwhile process to master, that's stilling the mind, put it into park, as our thought process otherwise is unceasing, we follow a thought and before resolving anything, grasp another thought and likewise before resolving anything grasp another. Breaking that process i found hard, once perceiving what i was been offered with a breathing meditation it still took months and months before i could just park my mind without processing a continuous flow of thoughts.
just a natural breath breathing in one nostril (say left) and out the other (right 11 times
Then in (Right) and out the (Left) 11 times
Then in both and out both 11 times
Whole process with getting distracted by a thought (e.g don't follow any thought) x 3
Great for both the body and thought process, actually the body completely relaxes when you do it
Stilling of the mind....Thanks for the breathing tips....I generally put myself to bed if I lose my peace nowdays. I am a shiftworker (actually fell asleep during one of previous posts and didn't finish it : )excuse me 
I have had 6 night shifts in a week (not the norm)...I work in challenging behaviours- Psychiatric/mild intellectual disability (so fight or flight response is a regular occurance...lots of head work involved. I really do find it difficult to shut off sometimes especially with the physical responses that fight/flight generates...somedays 2 to 3 of these in a shift. The great thing is that I love my work passionately Good to read your viewpoints, robplum..much appreciated.
I have had 6 night shifts in a week (not the norm)...I work in challenging behaviours- Psychiatric/mild intellectual disability (so fight or flight response is a regular occurance...lots of head work involved. I really do find it difficult to shut off sometimes especially with the physical responses that fight/flight generates...somedays 2 to 3 of these in a shift. The great thing is that I love my work passionately Good to read your viewpoints, robplum..much appreciated.your welcome
Psychotherapy just prolongs prexisting issues.
And can and is often detrimental to your wellbeing.I reccomend orthomolecular therapy with plenty of exercise and maybe conventional medicine which in time may or may not be even needed.
And can and is often detrimental to your wellbeing.I reccomend orthomolecular therapy with plenty of exercise and maybe conventional medicine which in time may or may not be even needed.
and visit the to Hare khrisnas for fellowship.
the one that i find helps me the most is cognitive behaviour therapy.......and knowing that the therapists are ppl too, with their own problems....and the most helpful ones to me are the ones that came to be in that job through their own recoveries
I have looked at cognitive therapy.And think it is great.
benidorm: I have looked at cognitive therapy.And think it is great.
yes.....i think it should be taught in school
reolvine420: is it normal to psyco-analys ur psycotherapist?
Only if you are more normal than your psychotherapist, which wouldn’t be hard 
reolvine420: is it normal to psyco-analys ur psycotherapist?
Hmmmm
Think that might be reverse phycology it really does work 
AgentAjax: Only if you are more normal than your psychotherapist, which wouldn’t be hard
what does normal look like?
social worker tells me after a couple of meetings - which i requested.
'that you dont need to come and see me, if things change.... come back again'
started folding paper, instead she gave me wooden block puzzles to solve, they were very easy.
There's only ONE thing you need to remember if you head off to play with any of the Nut Doctors, well perhaps TWO actually
1) They are well meaning enough, but most of them are actually way more screwed up than you. They go into 'training' somehow believing that by 'doing the training' they will resolve their own issues. Sorry n all, but becoming educated in various techniques tends to work very much AGAINST the individual. This is because it's a game of strategy and learning the tools makes the learner more able to defend (their issues) against the person who's trying to help them.
2) NEVER EVER even think of accepting their 'DIAGNOSIS' or labeling of you... and this applies a hundredfold if the individual is a 'specialist' in whatever they announce is your 'problem / condition / disorder / syndrome.
Be especially wary of the words 'syndrome' and 'borderline' in any diagnosis as these are technical words for 'I really havent a clue whats wrong with you, but I'll have to offer something in order to justify being paid!
The REALLY BIG problem with accepting a diagnosis is that you (the patient) tend to pop off to the net and get well informed about 'your diagnosis' and tragically will then tend to 'conform to' that diagnosis, and worse still will proceed to decline according to whatever you read!
This is a PROVEN FACT and has been long established amongst medical students who 'create symptoms' of many dread diseases while studying same and do in fact often manage to make themselves ill.
Finally, you need to know that the suicide rate amongst people is HIGHEST not only amongst those who TAKE psychiatric drugs, but is also FAR HIGHER (than the general population) amongst those who ISSUE and PRESCRIBE psychiatric drugs.
This is one of the reasons why (in NZ especially) the topic of suicide is largely kept a bit hush hush despite the fact that we have an extraordinarily high suicide rate (esp amongst young males)
Of course, the drugging industry will tell you it's only a coincidence that the high level of pyschiatric drugging and the high level of suicides amongst patients and psych staff is a 'mere coincidence without probability of correlation'
1) They are well meaning enough, but most of them are actually way more screwed up than you. They go into 'training' somehow believing that by 'doing the training' they will resolve their own issues. Sorry n all, but becoming educated in various techniques tends to work very much AGAINST the individual. This is because it's a game of strategy and learning the tools makes the learner more able to defend (their issues) against the person who's trying to help them.
2) NEVER EVER even think of accepting their 'DIAGNOSIS' or labeling of you... and this applies a hundredfold if the individual is a 'specialist' in whatever they announce is your 'problem / condition / disorder / syndrome.
Be especially wary of the words 'syndrome' and 'borderline' in any diagnosis as these are technical words for 'I really havent a clue whats wrong with you, but I'll have to offer something in order to justify being paid!
The REALLY BIG problem with accepting a diagnosis is that you (the patient) tend to pop off to the net and get well informed about 'your diagnosis' and tragically will then tend to 'conform to' that diagnosis, and worse still will proceed to decline according to whatever you read!
This is a PROVEN FACT and has been long established amongst medical students who 'create symptoms' of many dread diseases while studying same and do in fact often manage to make themselves ill.
Finally, you need to know that the suicide rate amongst people is HIGHEST not only amongst those who TAKE psychiatric drugs, but is also FAR HIGHER (than the general population) amongst those who ISSUE and PRESCRIBE psychiatric drugs.
This is one of the reasons why (in NZ especially) the topic of suicide is largely kept a bit hush hush despite the fact that we have an extraordinarily high suicide rate (esp amongst young males)
Of course, the drugging industry will tell you it's only a coincidence that the high level of pyschiatric drugging and the high level of suicides amongst patients and psych staff is a 'mere coincidence without probability of correlation'
HexagonKeySet: There's only ONE thing you need to remember if you head off to play with any of the Nut Doctors, well perhaps TWO actually
1) They are well meaning enough, but most of them are actually way more screwed up than you. They go into 'training' somehow believing that by 'doing the training' they will resolve their own issues. Sorry n all, but becoming educated in various techniques tends to work very much AGAINST the individual. This is because it's a game of strategy and learning the tools makes the learner more able to defend (their issues) against the person who's trying to help them.
2) NEVER EVER even think of accepting their 'DIAGNOSIS' or labeling of you... and this applies a hundredfold if the individual is a 'specialist' in whatever they announce is your 'problem / condition / disorder / syndrome.
Be especially wary of the words 'syndrome' and 'borderline' in any diagnosis as these are technical words for 'I really havent a clue whats wrong with you, but I'll have to offer something in order to justify being paid!
The REALLY BIG problem with accepting a diagnosis is that you (the patient) tend to pop off to the net and get well informed about 'your diagnosis' and tragically will then tend to 'conform to' that diagnosis, and worse still will proceed to decline according to whatever you read!
This is a PROVEN FACT and has been long established amongst medical students who 'create symptoms' of many dread diseases while studying same and do in fact often manage to make themselves ill.
Finally, you need to know that the suicide rate amongst people is HIGHEST not only amongst those who TAKE psychiatric drugs, but is also FAR HIGHER (than the general population) amongst those who ISSUE and PRESCRIBE psychiatric drugs.
This is one of the reasons why (in NZ especially) the topic of suicide is largely kept a bit hush hush despite the fact that we have an extraordinarily high suicide rate (esp amongst young males)
Of course, the drugging industry will tell you it's only a coincidence that the high level of pyschiatric drugging and the high level of suicides amongst patients and psych staff is a 'mere coincidence without probability of correlation'
was not given mai diagnosis on a peice of paper but totally agree with what mai councillor told me that she was hearing from me.........i was depressed and i had been since i was little, 3 or 4 is when i first remember have depressive thinking............now that i know that that was what it is i am not depressed anymore.........through councilling, going to groups, going to rehab, taking prescribed medicine and most of all learning to talk about stuff i am a changed person.........none of that could have happened if it werent for going to see a professional, so while i can see your point i am very grateful to my councillor and to other ppl in 12 step groups for giving me a hand up and dont feel i would be where i am today without professional help, the therapists that have helped me the most have been the ones that were alcoholics/addicts themselves1) They are well meaning enough, but most of them are actually way more screwed up than you. They go into 'training' somehow believing that by 'doing the training' they will resolve their own issues. Sorry n all, but becoming educated in various techniques tends to work very much AGAINST the individual. This is because it's a game of strategy and learning the tools makes the learner more able to defend (their issues) against the person who's trying to help them.
2) NEVER EVER even think of accepting their 'DIAGNOSIS' or labeling of you... and this applies a hundredfold if the individual is a 'specialist' in whatever they announce is your 'problem / condition / disorder / syndrome.
Be especially wary of the words 'syndrome' and 'borderline' in any diagnosis as these are technical words for 'I really havent a clue whats wrong with you, but I'll have to offer something in order to justify being paid!
The REALLY BIG problem with accepting a diagnosis is that you (the patient) tend to pop off to the net and get well informed about 'your diagnosis' and tragically will then tend to 'conform to' that diagnosis, and worse still will proceed to decline according to whatever you read!
This is a PROVEN FACT and has been long established amongst medical students who 'create symptoms' of many dread diseases while studying same and do in fact often manage to make themselves ill.
Finally, you need to know that the suicide rate amongst people is HIGHEST not only amongst those who TAKE psychiatric drugs, but is also FAR HIGHER (than the general population) amongst those who ISSUE and PRESCRIBE psychiatric drugs.
This is one of the reasons why (in NZ especially) the topic of suicide is largely kept a bit hush hush despite the fact that we have an extraordinarily high suicide rate (esp amongst young males)
Of course, the drugging industry will tell you it's only a coincidence that the high level of pyschiatric drugging and the high level of suicides amongst patients and psych staff is a 'mere coincidence without probability of correlation'
reolvine420: was not given mai diagnosis on a peice of paper but totally agree with what mai councillor told me that she was hearing from me.........i was depressed and i had been since i was little, 3 or 4 is when i first remember have depressive thinking............now that i know that that was what it is i am not depressed anymore.........through councilling, going to groups, going to rehab, taking prescribed medicine and most of all learning to talk about stuff i am a changed person.........none of that could have happened if it werent for going to see a professional, so while i can see your point i am very grateful to my councillor and to other ppl in 12 step groups for giving me a hand up and dont feel i would be where i am today without professional help, the therapists that have helped me the most have been the ones that were alcoholics/addicts themselves
I agree Reo
I found CBT amazing....the important thing though is to take the positives that fit for you and make your own way..not become co dependant on others whether that be therapists, churches (sorry)12 step programs etc....everything has its place but not everything is good for you...Not to take on the labels, not to allow others to justify their existance through you is the challenge.I am loving life these days!!!! 
loutondaka: I agree Reo I found CBT amazing....the important thing though is to take the positives that fit for you and make your own way..not become co dependant on others whether that be therapists, churches (sorry)12 step programs etc....everything has its place but not everything is good for you...Not to take on the labels, not to allow others to justify their existance through you is the challenge.I am loving life these days!!!!
"take the positives " Don't let them drag you down.
Went through stages of thinking in circles. They have no end
Depression is a spiral. It goes down.
When you realise where it is heading you, only you, has the opportunity to let that spiral expand to better things.
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Psychology has some merits
Psychiatrist founded by Sigmund Freud, in part according to Freud, the unconscious continues to influence our behavior and experiences even though we are unaware of these underlying influences.
In my opinion Psychiatrist should be banned from practicing anywhere, paid personal assassins they are often used to frame people in proceedings. That school of thought refuses to accept the notion of Karma, therefore they are completely ignorant of the true nature of, and actual workings of our dualistic mind.
Prescribing pills altering the sharpness of a persons mind is harmful, reduces chance of recovery from stress, increases dependency on another person instead of assisting a person to take more responsibility for there own happiness, takes away an chance of someone resolving a misguided perception with the tool they should be using to resolve conflict with, theee own upstairs department,