The first Thanksgiving (9)
ooby_dooby: We also toured the replica of the "Mayflower", the boat that brought the Pilgrims across the Atlantic ocean. Let me tell you, you gotta be desperate to venture out to sea with you whole family in that top heavy craft. It's even smaller than you think.
Imagine what it is like here in Miami - it is a whole new meaning to give thanks in a new land.
I know friends and work colleagues that ventured out across the 90 miles on very rickety boats to escape castro and cuba - all for the idea of living, working in america..... land of opportunity - it is tough being an immigrant in a new country - and many have said with hard work, and sacrifice you can find a place in your new home.
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I was born in PLymouth, Devon, England, and have been many times to the pier where the Mayflower sailed from (an American once asked me if my Plymouth was named after the American Plymouth!!!!) There is a plaque on the pier with the names of all the passengers.
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tomcatwarne: I was born in PLymouth, Devon, England, and have been many times to the pier where the Mayflower sailed from (an American once asked me if my Plymouth was named after the American Plymouth!!!!) There is a plaque on the pier with the names of all the passengers.
Speaks volumes about our schools.
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"Until the early 1800s, Thanksgiving was considered to be a regional holiday celebrated solemnly through fasting and quiet reflection.
But the 19th century had its own Martha Stewart, and it didn't take her long to turn New England fasting into national feasting. Sarah Josepha Hale, editor of the popular Godey's Lady's Book, stumbled upon Winslow's passage and refused to let the historic day fade from the minds - or tables - of Americans. This established trendsetter filled her magazine with recipes and editorials about Thanksgiving.
It was also about this time - in 1854, to be exact - that Bradford's history book of Plymouth Plantation resurfaced. The book increased interest in the Pilgrims, and Mrs. Hale and others latched onto the fact he mentioned that the colonists had killed wild turkeys during the autumn.
In her magazine Hale wrote appealing articles about roasted turkeys, savory stuffing, and pumpkin pies - all the foods that today's holiday meals are likely to contain.
In the process, she created holiday "traditions" that share few similarities with the original feast in 1621.
In 1858, Hale petitioned the president of the United States to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday. She wrote: "Let this day, from this time forth, as long as our Banner of Stars floats on the breeze, be the grand Thanksgiving holiday of our nation, when the noise and tumult of worldliness may be exchanged for the length of the laugh of happy children, the glad greetings of family reunion, and the humble gratitude of the Christian heart."
But the 19th century had its own Martha Stewart, and it didn't take her long to turn New England fasting into national feasting. Sarah Josepha Hale, editor of the popular Godey's Lady's Book, stumbled upon Winslow's passage and refused to let the historic day fade from the minds - or tables - of Americans. This established trendsetter filled her magazine with recipes and editorials about Thanksgiving.
It was also about this time - in 1854, to be exact - that Bradford's history book of Plymouth Plantation resurfaced. The book increased interest in the Pilgrims, and Mrs. Hale and others latched onto the fact he mentioned that the colonists had killed wild turkeys during the autumn.
In her magazine Hale wrote appealing articles about roasted turkeys, savory stuffing, and pumpkin pies - all the foods that today's holiday meals are likely to contain.
In the process, she created holiday "traditions" that share few similarities with the original feast in 1621.
In 1858, Hale petitioned the president of the United States to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday. She wrote: "Let this day, from this time forth, as long as our Banner of Stars floats on the breeze, be the grand Thanksgiving holiday of our nation, when the noise and tumult of worldliness may be exchanged for the length of the laugh of happy children, the glad greetings of family reunion, and the humble gratitude of the Christian heart."
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It is important to know history so we don't repeat it....
however, history is being made all the time.
and we americans are not that stupid.... most americans know the true history which is taught in school and like most things learned in high school are quickly forgotten and thought useless.
we like the story of the first thanksgiving - like all recreated things from the past - we pick and choose what we believe of history to spin a story and support a particular theme. why do you think we all love to go to disney world - because disney created a place of amusement that bring out the better spirit and better nature in the human condition.... the cold hard reality is rather ugly.
however, history is being made all the time.
and we americans are not that stupid.... most americans know the true history which is taught in school and like most things learned in high school are quickly forgotten and thought useless.
we like the story of the first thanksgiving - like all recreated things from the past - we pick and choose what we believe of history to spin a story and support a particular theme. why do you think we all love to go to disney world - because disney created a place of amusement that bring out the better spirit and better nature in the human condition.... the cold hard reality is rather ugly.
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ooby_dooby:
"In 1858, Hale petitioned the president of the United States to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday. She wrote: "Let this day, from this time forth, as long as our Banner of Stars floats on the breeze, be the grand Thanksgiving holiday of our nation, when the noise and tumult of worldliness may be exchanged for the length of the laugh of happy children, the glad greetings of family reunion, and the humble gratitude of the Christian heart."
"In 1858, Hale petitioned the president of the United States to declare Thanksgiving a national holiday. She wrote: "Let this day, from this time forth, as long as our Banner of Stars floats on the breeze, be the grand Thanksgiving holiday of our nation, when the noise and tumult of worldliness may be exchanged for the length of the laugh of happy children, the glad greetings of family reunion, and the humble gratitude of the Christian heart."
and soon afterwards they gave the Indians blankets infected with plague to kill them in what became a policy of genocide...real "Christian hearts", to be sure.
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solitare: and soon afterwards they gave the Indians blankets infected with plague to kill them in what became a policy of genocide...real "Christian hearts", to be sure.
it was small pox not plague and I thought it was during the time of "trail of tears"
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They didn't eat Turkey on the festive day nor did they eat brussel sprouts, pearl onions, cranberry or pumpkin pie...
What Foods Did the Pilgrims Eat on Thanksgiving
By: Cheryl Bowman
What foods did the pilgrims eat on Thanksgiving? You might be surprised to know how how different the first Thanksgiving dinner was from what we enjoy today. There were no cows in Plymouth, so milk and anything made with milk wasn't on the first Thanksgiving food menu. They might have had cheese made from goat's milk.
A Variety of Meats
The pilgrims and the indians had some type of fowl and venison. The pilgrims often hunted fowl for a special feast follwing the harvest. Wild turkeys are native to New England, as are pheasants. Both were enjoyed by the pilgrims and indians alike and were included in the feast. The Indians brought venison; some of the braves went hunting and brought back five deer to share. Other meats that may have been on the table include lobster, seal and swans.
The best food was placed next to the most important people. People ate what was next to them. They did not get a little bit of everything, as we do now. Foods were not served individually. The food was placed on the table, and people helped themselves to it.
Where's the Pie?
Thanksgiving today includes many vegetables available, but in the 17th century, vegetables were not always plentiful. Special meals, even the Thanksgiving meal, centered around many different kinds of meat. The pilgrims also did not have pies or other sweets. They did not have an oven to bake pies, and even though they brought sugar over on the Mayflower, it had all been used by the time of the first celebration. The Pilgrims had little in the way of grain; their only grains were Indian corn and wheat flour.
Common fruits and vegetables included pumpkin, peas, beans, radishes, carrots, onions, lettuce, plums and grapes. Walnuts, chestnuts and acorns were also plentiful. Though there was no pumpkin pie, the Pilgrims did make stewed pumpkin. They had cranberries, but no sugar, so they did not make cranberry sauce. Sweet potatoes were not common, so those were probably not on the thanksgiving table.
The first Thanksgiving feast would have looked very strange to our modern eyes, consisting mainly of corn and meat. The spirit of the celebration would be easy for us to understand, because then, as now, Thanksgiving is a reminder of the bounty of the Earth and the importance of hard work and cooperation.
What Foods Did the Pilgrims Eat on Thanksgiving
By: Cheryl Bowman
What foods did the pilgrims eat on Thanksgiving? You might be surprised to know how how different the first Thanksgiving dinner was from what we enjoy today. There were no cows in Plymouth, so milk and anything made with milk wasn't on the first Thanksgiving food menu. They might have had cheese made from goat's milk.
A Variety of Meats
The pilgrims and the indians had some type of fowl and venison. The pilgrims often hunted fowl for a special feast follwing the harvest. Wild turkeys are native to New England, as are pheasants. Both were enjoyed by the pilgrims and indians alike and were included in the feast. The Indians brought venison; some of the braves went hunting and brought back five deer to share. Other meats that may have been on the table include lobster, seal and swans.
The best food was placed next to the most important people. People ate what was next to them. They did not get a little bit of everything, as we do now. Foods were not served individually. The food was placed on the table, and people helped themselves to it.
Where's the Pie?
Thanksgiving today includes many vegetables available, but in the 17th century, vegetables were not always plentiful. Special meals, even the Thanksgiving meal, centered around many different kinds of meat. The pilgrims also did not have pies or other sweets. They did not have an oven to bake pies, and even though they brought sugar over on the Mayflower, it had all been used by the time of the first celebration. The Pilgrims had little in the way of grain; their only grains were Indian corn and wheat flour.
Common fruits and vegetables included pumpkin, peas, beans, radishes, carrots, onions, lettuce, plums and grapes. Walnuts, chestnuts and acorns were also plentiful. Though there was no pumpkin pie, the Pilgrims did make stewed pumpkin. They had cranberries, but no sugar, so they did not make cranberry sauce. Sweet potatoes were not common, so those were probably not on the thanksgiving table.
The first Thanksgiving feast would have looked very strange to our modern eyes, consisting mainly of corn and meat. The spirit of the celebration would be easy for us to understand, because then, as now, Thanksgiving is a reminder of the bounty of the Earth and the importance of hard work and cooperation.
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Everyone knows about the Pilgrims and the Indians, right? How the two groups gathered peacefully in Plymouth, Mass., to feast on juicy turkeys and colorful pumpkin pies.
The trouble is, almost everything we've been taught about the first Thanksgiving in 1621 is a myth. The holiday has two distinct histories - the actual one and a romanticized portrayal.
Today, Americans celebrate a holiday based largely on the latter, whose details of turkey and cranberry sauce decorating one long table stem from the creative musings of a magazine editor in the mid-1800s.
The true history has been a difficult one to uncover. Staff at Plimoth Plantation, which occupies several acres on the outskirts of the city of Plymouth, just north of Cape Cod, have been in the vanguard of researching the event. But a big obstacle remains: Everything historians know today is based on two passages written by colonists.
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Years ago a friend and I drove up to Plymouth Plantation on Thanksgiving day because we felt it was the most perfect place to spend the day in the whole world. As we drove east through Massachusetts, on the local state roads, I noticed the incorporation dates posted along the road as we went from town to town. The dates began in the 1700's and kept getting earlier the closer we got to Plymouth culminating in 1621. I made a mental note of just how "civilisation" spread from Plymouth sort of an early version of urban sprawl.
While we were there, we happened upon a small group of Native Americans demonstrating against "white invaders" with signs like "White man go home you stayed too long". I tried to engage one of the demonstrators but he wouldn't talk to me, too bad because I agreed with him to some degree.
We also toured the replica of the "Mayflower", the boat that brought the Pilgrims across the Atlantic ocean. Let me tell you, you gotta be desperate to venture out to sea with you whole family in that top heavy craft. It's even smaller than you think.