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Dec 22, 2012 8:11 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
If it makes anyone feel any better, I keep all of my semi-auto and most of my guns locked up in my gun safe except:
<> one or two which I conceal carry
<> one kept in my car's trunk
<> one kept in my car's console
<> one kept under a night stand's shelf
<> one kept under a shelf in my barbecue
<> one kept under inside a fake roll of toilet paper in my master bath
<> one kept next to where I reload for my big-fifty
<> one kept in my hammock
<> one kept in my frig
etc. etc.

On a more serious note: Today is the first day my british bull terrier puppy experienced snow on the way to use the bathroom. My issue here is… How do you teach your young dog to ignore snow accumulation and go where they are trained to, regardless of snow depth? Maybe my mistake was clearing a path up to, but not including, the back 1/2 acre. Any and all help is appreciated!


Oh, btw, failing to reduce our debt and continued spending what we don't have by our Federal Government is more dangerous than guns…. for our entire country! Ignore those trying to earn political points bad mouthing the NRA!

thumbs up
peace
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Dec 22, 2012 8:12 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
montemonte: You make a point Tom. We will never be able to take every gun off the street. That being said, do you think people are going to turn in their guns for a $50 gift card. Criminals who want to play with guns do it for fun.

Lanza didn't buy the guns, his mother did. Maybe she should have been questioned as to why she needed that particular gun that Lanza used. I understand that she liked to target shoot but is THAT gun isn't used for target shooting. If not, why did she buy it?

Lanza is at fault for killing but his mother is at fault for having guns in a house, around someone she wanted to put in a psychiatric facility. When Lanza heard that she wanted to committ him it appears that's when he let loose, according to authorities.

I don't think anybody has a good way of solving the gun problem in America. Criminals will always find a way to buy guns.

So what is the answer?


That he got the guns from his mother just proves my point on the 350m guns in the US. Someone with murderous intent is going to find a weapon....legally or illegally to to do it with.

Committing murder is a most often a lengthy mental decision. Even in gun law China.....you have events like these.


The Chinese knife attack that wounds 22 children


The Chinese hammer attack that wounds 5. There were several more copy cat hammer attacks.

Had a armed guard been at the Chinese school's, I doubt if either would have happened.

So there are other ways than by only gun, that a mass murder can occur. But in all of them, the gun held by a trained security guard can either stop the attack or minimize it.

Several sites of guns stopping attacks

**http%3a//m.frrole.com/o/attack-stopped-gunman-wounded-by-armed--judgenap-new-york

**http%3a//www.learnaboutguns.com/2009/05/01/armed-guards-stop-pirate-attack/

**http%3a//privateofficernews.wordpress.com/2012/08/08/security-officers-stop-armed-attack-on-woman-www-privateofficer-com/

**http%3a//www.guardsecurity.ca/security-guards-toronto-blog/security-guard-stops-armed-threat/

These are examples of armed guard stopping crimes and murder attempts.

What happens when you have unarmed security?
**http%3a//www.sheffieldwired.co.uk/news.php/102037-Security-guard-describes-five-attacks-by-armed-robbers

You all talk about 'even playing fields' and all that. Having a unarmed security guard is like tying a boxer's hand behind him and asking him to go into the ring to fight Mike Tyson. He will go into the ring and come out of the ring just as fast.

If you are going to "trust" police and sherriff in society with weapons to defend society. Then it seems to me that 'trust' them in the school situation as well. Train them for the school situation.
But allow them the resources (e.g. Gun) to do the job.

We should have a debate (and laws) on screening of mentally unstable from guns and explosives. On large number magazine and assault rifles.

It is going to take a multi prong response to the make our schools safe again. jmo
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Dec 22, 2012 8:28 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
TTom50: If you are going to "trust" police and sherriff in society with weapons to defend society. Then it seems to me that 'trust' them in the school situation as well. Train them for the school situation.
But allow them the resources (e.g. Gun) to do the job.




I trust the police. I've had a Sheriff's Officer in my family for 23 years.

Tom, armed guards shouldn't have to be in schools !!!! That's like putting a bandaid on a severed arm.

Was there an armed guard at Virginia Tech? Weren't 32+ students killed?
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Dec 22, 2012 8:29 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
montemonte: I trust the police. I've had a Sheriff's Officer in my family for 23 years.

Tom, armed guards shouldn't have to be in schools !!!! That's like putting a bandaid on a severed arm.

Was there an armed guard at Virginia Tech? Weren't 32+ students killed?



"have" a Sheriff's Officer...
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Dec 22, 2012 9:14 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
I going to say something a little strange in the post regarding Sandy Cove. Please don't take it that I minimize this tragedy.

After the Gabby Gifford shooting by Jarel Loughner, part of my former job (now retired) is to look at the motives and foreign connections when a attack occur on US Government parties. Gabby Gifford was in the US Federal Government. So I did a preliminary investigation work up on the shooting.

When I learned of Loughner's Mayan 2012 Prophecy connection. Studied it some. The summary of my report, read as to the following.

"The 2012 Mayan prophecy will only place more pressure on the alternative lifestyle community. More pressure to either be part of the Mayan 2012 event or to elevate the pain and death that the event will cause. We can expect more of these kinds of attack, the closer we get to the December 21,2012 date." That report was sent to the White House about two weeks after the Loughner attack.

If Sandy Cove Elementary was the only tragic mass murder that had connection to the December 21, 2012 pressured alternative community. Then we were fortunate. This could have been much worse.

Someone gave me a $6.50 cuban cigar for X-Mas before the Mayan 12/21/2012 date. I saved it to smoke after prophecy had come and gone.
Tonight I am going to light this baby up with a nice glass of wine. From my experience in a country of 308m, you are going to have Loughers, Holmes, and Lanza's. Just in the past they had Billy the Kid, the James Brothers and other gunslingers and fast guns.

If you think the old west was just a few fast guns. Check this list out
By the way, most of them would shoot you in the back and by ambush......they were hardly the heroes of the gun fight seen in the movies. Hardly the cult heroes that they made into by the reporters and writers. But is not our media doing the same with Lanza, Loughner, and Holmes?

So you can have 100s of gun men running around in the country. That was the lawless old west. American is not like that today. Thankfully.So I suggest you can have many more Lanzas, Loughners and Holmes given the conditions and pressures of a modern society with a 24 hour newscycle and many that promote concepts like the Mayan 2012 Prophecy. One that has 350,000,000 guns......

Well tonight I will smoke my cigar.....and wonder how we might have figured and known of Lanza and his selection of Stoney Cove Elementary...even if we had him in some psychiatrist's care...like Holmes was. That doesnot mean you are going to get such vital knowledge and details of a planned attack in time. But also being thankful that it was only one attack.
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Dec 22, 2012 9:22 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts
montemonte: I trust the police. I've had a Sheriff's Officer in my family for 23 years.

Tom, armed guards shouldn't have to be in schools !!!! That's like putting a bandaid on a severed arm.

Was there an armed guard at Virginia Tech? Weren't 32+ students killed?


Virgina Tech is a spread out campus of 2600 arces. So you have armed campus and police coming into the shooting area. But finding one man on a large campus of many building, is not easy.

The armed security guard needs to be at the point of the attack or as close to it as possible.

But I disagree.....armed security guards have been used for 100s of years in Europe and in the US. Most often it was to protect a bank or precious metal shipment. But are not our children....our real treasure?

If they are, can we protect them any less than we do a bank or gold shipment?
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Dec 22, 2012 9:34 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Sad when you have Armed guards in banks, why? Now think of the money inside your bank as kids in a school. Now lets move all our banks into schools. You will have some armed guard there to protect your money and your kids! win win. Would you all go into a bank with NO ARMED GUARDS?(sarcasm if you cant tell) Seriously, can anyone show me guns actually thinking and committing crimes? How come people here in the USA don't speak out against Obama's murderous stunt called, Fast and Furious? I know, for the people that the guns went to were the drug cartels (1000's were killed) in Mexico, and people don't give a damn till it happens here when people are shot to death! How come there hasn't been a mass shooting at a police station recently? Why do we have mass security for heads of state, movie stars, rock stars etc? If they are soooo important, what about your kids, aren't the important? guess not if you don't want to protect them.
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Dec 22, 2012 9:39 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
TTom50: I going to say something a little strange in the post regarding Sandy Cove. Please don't take it that I minimize this tragedy.

After the Gabby Gifford shooting by Jarel Loughner, part of my former job (now retired) is to look at the motives and foreign connections when a attack occur on US Government parties. Gabby Gifford was in the US Federal Government. So I did a preliminary investigation work up on the shooting.

When I learned of Loughner's Mayan 2012 Prophecy connection. Studied it some. The summary of my report, read as to the following.

"The 2012 Mayan prophecy will only place more pressure on the alternative lifestyle community. More pressure to either be part of the Mayan 2012 event or to elevate the pain and death that the event will cause. We can expect more of these kinds of attack, the closer we get to the December 21,2012 date." That report was sent to the White House about two weeks after the Loughner attack.

If Sandy Cove Elementary was the only tragic mass murder that had connection to the December 21, 2012 pressured alternative community. Then we were fortunate. This could have been much worse.

Someone gave me a $6.50 cuban cigar for X-Mas before the Mayan 12/21/2012 date. I saved it to smoke after prophecy had come and gone.
Tonight I am going to light this baby up with a nice glass of wine. From my experience in a country of 308m, you are going to have Loughers, Holmes, and Lanza's. Just in the past they had Billy the Kid, the James Brothers and other gunslingers and fast guns.

So you can have 100s of gun men running around in the country. That was the lawless old west. American is not like that today. Thankfully.So I suggest you can have many more Lanzas, Loughners and Holmes given the conditions and pressures of a modern society with a 24 hour newscycle and many that promote concepts like the Mayan 2012 Prophecy. One that has 350,000,000 guns......

Well tonight I will smoke my cigar.....and wonder how we might have figured and known of Lanza and his selection of Stoney Cove Elementary...even if we had him in some psychiatrist's care...like Holmes was. That doesnot mean you are going to get such vital knowledge and details of a planned attack in time. But also being thankful that it was only one attack.



This is very interesting Tom. I was waiting for someone to say it had something to do with the Mayan prophecy. I can't buy that because Lanza was a genius, or pretty close to it. He was capable of rational thinking. He was able to plan an attack that would give him the least resistance.

Choosing little 6 and 7 year old was easier then if he went to the high school where he was uncomfortable with other students. If he tried to mow down high school students he would have killed some but there's a good chance that the guys would have rushed him. I haven't heard anyone say that he was bullied in high school. In fact, students have said they knew something was wrong/different about him and they left him alone.

Lanza didn't feel love from his parents. Bottle that up with a form of mental illness and you have a time bomb.

So your report was sent to the White House. Was it just a report or what did you think they were going to do with your prediction. I agree with your reports prediction but just like now, we're talking about what happened in CT and that something needs to be done but the only suggestion has been from the NRA to have security guards with guns (what kind of guns) in every school.

Does that mean every college, university, trade school, elementary school? If I was going to college and saw armed guards walking inside the halls as well as the entrance I would be scared to death.

What are little children going to think if they see the same thing?

I hope you enjoy your cigar and a great bottle of wine. Not a glass....chug the whole damn bottle down. You deserve it...



dancingsanta christmas happy
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Dec 22, 2012 9:43 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
TTom50: Virgina Tech is a spread out campus of 2600 arces. So you have armed campus and police coming into the shooting area. But finding one man on a large campus of many building, is not easy.

The armed security guard needs to be at the point of the attack or as close to it as possible.

But I disagree.....armed security guards have been used for 100s of years in Europe and in the US. Most often it was to protect a bank or precious metal shipment. But are not our children....our real treasure?

If they are, can we protect them any less than we do a bank or gold shipment?



That was the point I made earlier .... what if the guard is at the other end of the school. He hears gun shots and THEN comes running. If there are a dozen armed guards in a school then that plan might work but to have one or two roaming the halls of a huge school won't stop an attack.
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Dec 22, 2012 9:45 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
I think it's the only short term solution. Every other solution is medium and long term. And in a 4 year election cycle, medium and long term solutions just don't matter.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:04 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
What has gone wrong in America? We used to have rifle teams in high schools..... moping dunno
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Dec 22, 2012 10:12 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
i support the nra proposal of having armed guards in schools as long if they are trained to use and pass a tough background check. these people who are against this idea are not so smart and only want these bleeding heart liberals take our guns away from us making this nation defenceless and weak. we cannot depend on the police all the time we need to defend ourselves and our children. so get a life all u gun haters
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Dec 22, 2012 10:13 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
freesparrow: I teach at rural school, minutes from the Mexican border. It would take police twenty minutes, at the least, to get to us. We have an unarmed guard at our front door. All other doors are locked. We have drills for armed attacks. Do I feel safe? NO WAY!!! We are at the mercy of any person(s) with weapons.


I'll bet that many teachers nationwide are rushing to gun stores.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:13 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
freesparrow: I teach at rural school, minutes from the Mexican border. It would take police twenty minutes, at the least, to get to us. We have an unarmed guard at our front door. All other doors are locked. We have drills for armed attacks. Do I feel safe? NO WAY!!! We are at the mercy of any person(s) with weapons.


I'll bet that many teachers nationwide are rushing to gun stores.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:14 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
1Bell4truth: Then you trust your government completely. I don't.






I don't trust the government either.


Like my stepdad used to say.Put a fence around the White house and you'd have most of the crooks in jail.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:14 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
Dadude62: I'll bet that many teachers nationwide are rushing to gun stores.


Or looking for other careers,,,,
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Dec 22, 2012 10:21 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Since some people don't agree with what the NRA is suggesting then how on earth would those people suggest that our children,teachers etc be kept safe in the schools?


Maybe the schools should have at least one police officer enbedded within the schools instead of arming the teachers etc.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:24 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
galrads: What has gone wrong in America? We used to have rifle teams in high schools.....


Liberals, cowards and bleeding hearts in government.
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Dec 22, 2012 10:32 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
montemonte: "It could happen".. Anything can happen.

If an attack happens from another country, our military will take care of that, not armend citizens.

As for target shooting, my husband and I had a good size boat. We used to throw beer cans into the water and shoot them. I thought it was fun and if I went to a carnival, I always enjoyed targeting shooting there.

Growing up around guns. My father was a hunter. There was always a gun or two in the house. I never gave any thought to being afraid of it or of the many guns my husband had until the day he threw me to the floor and pointed one at my head because I wanted to leave him.

My daughter is a police officer who has a very powerful weapon in her gun belt. I'm not afraid of her but I am afraid of the gun when she takes her gunbelt off and lays it on the table so she can go to the bathroom. The gun can't do anything by itself. It's just scary looking at it and thinking about how powerful it is. When she retires in a few years she is going to turn it in.

For the past few years I have been cognizant of people around me especially when I'm in a crowded store. On any given day my guess is there is someone in a store with a concealed weapon.

I can see through the trees ...
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Dec 22, 2012 10:32 AM CST NRA suggests armed guards in every USofA school
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
Ccincy: Since some people don't agree with what the NRA is suggesting then how on earth would those people suggest that our children,teachers etc be kept safe in the schools?Maybe the schools should have at least one police officer enbedded within the schools instead of arming the teachers etc.



I'll go along with that Cincy, but where do you place the police officer? Does it have to be a police officer or could it be someone trained on how to shoot a gun? Of course I'm being sarcastic but it is without being rude. hug

I asked earlier, if we do put an armed guard in schools, will it be in ALL schools....Yale, Princeton, Columbia, community colleges, trade schools, private schools, etc. Where does it draw the line on which schools and who draws the line?
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