Ideas on how to make our schools and other public places safer. (76)
online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 PostsCcincy: Since there's been a lot of debate on here lately about gun control etc.What would be the best way to go about protecting our public places like schools etc in regards to shootings.I'm not going to ban anyone.
I have never understood the 'right to bear arms'.
That was written a very long time ago by people who could not possibly have forseen what would happen!
Many people I know in the U.S. were stunned to hear that only special task forces in the police in the U.K are even ALLOWED to carry a gun. Until Tasers it was just pepper spray.
I do not know ONE person in Australia that owns a gun that is not a farmer or the member of a gun club and those guns stay at the club.
Step one..... BAN all military style weapons. Anything that can spray bullets cannot be justified!
Step two.... Ban sales of second hand guns on-line and through the papers and fine those heavily that try to sell them. Anyone selling guns on the street...mandatory prison sentence of at least 10 years for buyer AND seller
Step three...Only those who have clean records and can prove NEED of a gun should own one! This licence should have to be renewed annually.
I know that although we have the odd shooting here...sadly most are gang related, (an issue we did NOT have when I was growing up)....I do not feel in fear of being shot if I annoy a driver or my home is broken into as it was recently.
The gun lobby says that guns don't kill people; people kill people. then the wrong people have the guns!
And if there was much greater restriction on access to guns, these people would not be able to kill with them because they could not get them! If all they had were knives, these mass slayings would not happen.Rant over! I am incenced that people would rather fight for a right to own a gum than for the rights of the safety of children. The mindset HAS to change.
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I think its a matter of re-education. It will probably take at least a generation for the archaic attitude towards guns to die out. I do wish peace for America and I hope you can achieve this. 
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pisceslady7: I have never understood the 'right to bear arms'.
That was written a very long time ago by people who could not possibly have forseen what would happen!
Many people I know in the U.S. were stunned to hear that only special task forces in the police in the U.K are even ALLOWED to carry a gun. Until Tasers it was just pepper spray.
I do not know ONE person in Australia that owns a gun that is not a farmer or the member of a gun club and those guns stay at the club.
Step one..... BAN all military style weapons. Anything that can spray bullets cannot be justified!
Step two.... Ban sales of second hand guns on-line and through the papers and fine those heavily that try to sell them. Anyone selling guns on the street...mandatory prison sentence of at least 10 years for buyer AND seller
Step three...Only those who have clean records and can prove NEED of a gun should own one! This licence should have to be renewed annually. I know that although we have the odd shooting here...sadly most are gang related, (an issue we did NOT have when I was growing up)....I do not feel in fear of being shot if I annoy a driver or my home is broken into as it was recently.
The gun lobby says that guns don't kill people; people kill people. then the wrong people have the guns! And if there was much greater restriction on access to guns, these people would not be able to kill with them because they could not get them! If all they had were knives, these mass slayings would not happen.
Rant over! I am incenced that people would rather fight for a right to own a gum than for the rights of the safety of children. The mindset HAS to change.
That was written a very long time ago by people who could not possibly have forseen what would happen!
Many people I know in the U.S. were stunned to hear that only special task forces in the police in the U.K are even ALLOWED to carry a gun. Until Tasers it was just pepper spray.
I do not know ONE person in Australia that owns a gun that is not a farmer or the member of a gun club and those guns stay at the club.
Step one..... BAN all military style weapons. Anything that can spray bullets cannot be justified!
Step two.... Ban sales of second hand guns on-line and through the papers and fine those heavily that try to sell them. Anyone selling guns on the street...mandatory prison sentence of at least 10 years for buyer AND seller
Step three...Only those who have clean records and can prove NEED of a gun should own one! This licence should have to be renewed annually. I know that although we have the odd shooting here...sadly most are gang related, (an issue we did NOT have when I was growing up)....I do not feel in fear of being shot if I annoy a driver or my home is broken into as it was recently.
The gun lobby says that guns don't kill people; people kill people. then the wrong people have the guns! And if there was much greater restriction on access to guns, these people would not be able to kill with them because they could not get them! If all they had were knives, these mass slayings would not happen.
Rant over! I am incenced that people would rather fight for a right to own a gum than for the rights of the safety of children. The mindset HAS to change.
You have some excellent ideas Pisces...I hope America truly looks at how other countries handle this issue for once. Step one is to put ego-centric thinking aside and investigate alternative policies.
Step two has to be an adjustment in thinking ...Re-education takes time. Something it seems the States has run out of.
There are no easy or quick solutions here...but there ARE solutions. Bottom line?? This must all stop NOW!
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Guards are a solution in Universities or big schools, not for the little rural schools (due to the expenditures) which in my opinion should have been built near a Police Station (or Sheriff's Office).
In other cases metal detectors and alarms connected with Law agents can prevent these kind of sad happenings, but as the NRA says only a gun can stop them, in the moment of truth.
In other cases metal detectors and alarms connected with Law agents can prevent these kind of sad happenings, but as the NRA says only a gun can stop them, in the moment of truth.
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online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 PostsGUZMAN1: Guards are a solution in Universities or big schools, not for the little rural schools (due to the expenditures) which in my opinion should have been built near a Police Station (or Sheriff's Office).
In other cases metal detectors and alarms connected with Law agents can prevent these kind of sad happenings, but as the NRA says only a gun can stop them, in the moment of truth.
In other cases metal detectors and alarms connected with Law agents can prevent these kind of sad happenings, but as the NRA says only a gun can stop them, in the moment of truth.
I am still stunned. yes, I agree that in America this may now be necessary....I am a teacher and have NEVER worked in a school or know of one in Australia where this would be necessary.
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When I think about all the trillions of dollars that our government has spent and totally wasted on policing other countries by waging wars and lining their speal interest groups etc pockets all the good that money could've done over here.
It all makes me sick.
It all makes me sick.
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online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 Postsvenusenvy: I think its a matter of re-education. It will probably take at least a generation for the archaic attitude towards guns to die out. I do wish peace for America and I hope you can achieve this.
Hi there Venus!
I so agree with you! America has to change if this is to stop and it will take education and attitudinal change.
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Extremists with box cutters,, killed 0ver 3000 people 9/11/01, no guns.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
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Ban..being the appropriate word. Ban guns and teach our children that anyone who interferes with your private parts should be reported immediately to parents. And if the parents are the ones doing it............god help them.
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pisceslady7: I have never understood the 'right to bear arms'.
That was written a very long time ago by people who could not possibly have forseen what would happen!
Many people I know in the U.S. were stunned to hear that only special task forces in the police in the U.K are even ALLOWED to carry a gun. Until Tasers it was just pepper spray.
I do not know ONE person in Australia that owns a gun that is not a farmer or the member of a gun club and those guns stay at the club.
Step one..... BAN all military style weapons. Anything that can spray bullets cannot be justified!
Step two.... Ban sales of second hand guns on-line and through the papers and fine those heavily that try to sell them. Anyone selling guns on the street...mandatory prison sentence of at least 10 years for buyer AND seller
Step three...Only those who have clean records and can prove NEED of a gun should own one! This licence should have to be renewed annually. I know that although we have the odd shooting here...sadly most are gang related, (an issue we did NOT have when I was growing up)....I do not feel in fear of being shot if I annoy a driver or my home is broken into as it was recently.
The gun lobby says that guns don't kill people; people kill people. then the wrong people have the guns! And if there was much greater restriction on access to guns, these people would not be able to kill with them because they could not get them! If all they had were knives, these mass slayings would not happen.
Rant over! I am incenced that people would rather fight for a right to own a gum than for the rights of the safety of children. The mindset HAS to change.
That was written a very long time ago by people who could not possibly have forseen what would happen!
Many people I know in the U.S. were stunned to hear that only special task forces in the police in the U.K are even ALLOWED to carry a gun. Until Tasers it was just pepper spray.
I do not know ONE person in Australia that owns a gun that is not a farmer or the member of a gun club and those guns stay at the club.
Step one..... BAN all military style weapons. Anything that can spray bullets cannot be justified!
Step two.... Ban sales of second hand guns on-line and through the papers and fine those heavily that try to sell them. Anyone selling guns on the street...mandatory prison sentence of at least 10 years for buyer AND seller
Step three...Only those who have clean records and can prove NEED of a gun should own one! This licence should have to be renewed annually. I know that although we have the odd shooting here...sadly most are gang related, (an issue we did NOT have when I was growing up)....I do not feel in fear of being shot if I annoy a driver or my home is broken into as it was recently.
The gun lobby says that guns don't kill people; people kill people. then the wrong people have the guns! And if there was much greater restriction on access to guns, these people would not be able to kill with them because they could not get them! If all they had were knives, these mass slayings would not happen.
Rant over! I am incenced that people would rather fight for a right to own a gum than for the rights of the safety of children. The mindset HAS to change.
I do not agree with everything that you but the most disturbing thing to me is the highlieghted statement. Crime has always exiested and according to crime statistics, it has actually decreased over the last 15 to 20 years. What has increased is the media surrounding it. Before the internet,things were not a noticeable because it was tougher for stories to travel. The net gives us the ability to recieve a story at lightening speed. Believing that the world was a better place when you were younger is what psychology calls the "golden age syndrome" It wasn't better, things are actually getting better (in general) in many respects but we still have work to do.
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Its very difficult to have any concept of American gun culture when living elsewhere. I realise there are different laws and attitudes depending on the state and my whole country could fit into some American cities.
The security measures that the school had in place in Newton, Conneticut appear perfectly adequate for this area. The biggest security risk for school children in this area is parents driving their kids two streets to school and the congestion it causes around the narrow roads and entrances.
The security measures that the school had in place in Newton, Conneticut appear perfectly adequate for this area. The biggest security risk for school children in this area is parents driving their kids two streets to school and the congestion it causes around the narrow roads and entrances.
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A friend of mine who's on FB and resides in Michigan told me that they have what they call a Pal Program.
A group of police officers are assigned to particular areas in her community and are also embedded within each individual Grade through High School building in her town.They've gone as far as installing cameras in the hallwys of said schools.
A group of police officers are assigned to particular areas in her community and are also embedded within each individual Grade through High School building in her town.They've gone as far as installing cameras in the hallwys of said schools.
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Oregongold: Extremists with box cutters,, killed 0ver 3000 people 9/11/01, no guns.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
There are no automatic mechanisms that can avoid what happened in that school.
Yes, someone could design a metal detector that drops a net over who pretend trespass it when armed, or give them an electric shock, but I fear it would be more dangerous for children or teachers who carry a metal thing.
So, a gun against a gun seems the last solution in the worst circumstance. Even when I think it's too easy for the insane to have a gun in the U.S.A.
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online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 Postsmcajr79: I do not agree with everything that you but the most disturbing thing to me is the highlieghted statement. Crime has always exiested and according to crime statistics, it has actually decreased over the last 15 to 20 years. What has increased is the media surrounding it. Before the internet,things were not a noticeable because it was tougher for stories to travel. The net gives us the ability to recieve a story at lightening speed. Believing that the world was a better place when you were younger is what psychology calls the "golden age syndrome" It wasn't better, things are actually getting better (in general) in many respects but we still have work to do.
Excuse me...but I live in Australia. There were no gangs of young people roaming the streets when I was young....and yes, we DID have news broadcasts. If there was ONE shooting it made the national papers and there was a national outcry. yes, we had gang shootings but these people tend/ed to shoot each other. I do agree, we have work to do...and sadly more now than before.
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how about the vast Knowledge of making Firearms that is available?
Gonna outlaw or issue Permits for that too?
Any Mechanic/Machinist worth his Salt can produce pretty good Firearms with a relative small amount of Machine-Tools!
If you don't believe me,ask some Pakistanis in the Tribal Areas,or check on Google!
Gonna put a lock on my Brain,so I'll be unable to use my knowledge!
Besides,if you remove the Firearms,the Edged Weapons will come out!
Rwanda showed just how efficient they were!
Same would happen in the US!
Remove the Firearms,and those who want to kill just move on to a different Method!
BTW!
Gonna outlaw or issue Permits for that too?
Any Mechanic/Machinist worth his Salt can produce pretty good Firearms with a relative small amount of Machine-Tools!
If you don't believe me,ask some Pakistanis in the Tribal Areas,or check on Google!
Gonna put a lock on my Brain,so I'll be unable to use my knowledge!
Besides,if you remove the Firearms,the Edged Weapons will come out!
Rwanda showed just how efficient they were!
Same would happen in the US!
Remove the Firearms,and those who want to kill just move on to a different Method!
BTW!
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There are more gun laws alredy on the books that are not being inforced so making more will not solve the problem . All that will happen is wonder why they where not inforced in the first place .
The sad fact of life is there will always be nutcases among us and they will always find a way of doing there crazy aflictions . If someone uses a car to run down pedestrians do we ban cars ? If someone uses or hijacks an airplane to crash into populated areas , do we ban airplanes ? If someone burns down schools or hospitials do we ban gasoline or kerosene ?
I don't want to sound crass or uncarring, but we will never solve this or any other problem untill we go to the real source . Trying to deal with or ban the pripheral will never solve anything .
The sad fact of life is there will always be nutcases among us and they will always find a way of doing there crazy aflictions . If someone uses a car to run down pedestrians do we ban cars ? If someone uses or hijacks an airplane to crash into populated areas , do we ban airplanes ? If someone burns down schools or hospitials do we ban gasoline or kerosene ?
I don't want to sound crass or uncarring, but we will never solve this or any other problem untill we go to the real source . Trying to deal with or ban the pripheral will never solve anything .
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online today!online today!pisceslady7Kincumber nr. Gosford, New South Wales Australia21 Threads 4 Polls 1,910 PostsOregongold: Extremists with box cutters,, killed 0ver 3000 people 9/11/01, no guns.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
Alfred P. Murray building, April 19, 1995. No guns, 168 people killed, 19 were children under the age of 9. Cause: Truck bomb. No guns.
close to 30 people a day are killed by automobiles driven by someone who is under the influence of alcohol, no guns.
For those of you who do want a gun ban, I make a request more like a demand. You need to put a sign in your FRONT window, stating your house is a gun free zone. How ever you know that wont happen, for it will INCREASE your chances of a violent crime. Banning guns isn't the issue, the issue is how to stop the PERSON with the illegal gun with intent to harm.
I in no way wished to minimalise non-gun related tragedies. My point was that it is easier for people to overpower some-one with a knife than a gun.
As far as people killing others when under the influence...laws obviously need to be tightened up on this as well. I realise both cars and guns can kill people, but cars were not designed to kill, guns have one use....to shoot. Both can be used by idiots. It is getting these out of the hands of idiots that is the issue.
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Flashback: Clinton Requests $60 Million to Put Cops in Schools
Today, the same elite media who no doubt send their own kids to private schools that employ armed security, just can't stop howling ridicule at the NRA's idea to give every student in America those same protections. Because the NRA's idea is so appealing, as I write this, the media's going overboard, mocking it as bizarre, crazy, and out of touch.
This is how the media works to silence and vilify the opposition and to ensure that only their ideas control The Narrative. The media doesn't care about securing our schools; they only care about coming after our guns and handing Obama another political win.
The media also doesn’t care how wildly hypocritical they look.
In their zeal to rampage this left-wing agenda, the media has apparently forgotten that back in 2000, on the one-year anniversary of the Columbine shooting (which occurred with an assault weapons ban in place), President Clinton requested $60 million in federal money to fund a fifth round of funding for a program called "COPS in School," a program that does exactly what the NRA is proposing and the media is currently in overdrive mocking:
Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.
"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.
The media is not only so driven to ensure Sandy Hook is used to win this round on gun control that they've become morally blinded to what really needs to be done to immediately secure our schools; they've lost their grip historically and politically.
Think about it: The media is entering a new year attempting to convince parents that their children will be less safe with a policeman in their school.
Off the rails doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Today, the same elite media who no doubt send their own kids to private schools that employ armed security, just can't stop howling ridicule at the NRA's idea to give every student in America those same protections. Because the NRA's idea is so appealing, as I write this, the media's going overboard, mocking it as bizarre, crazy, and out of touch.
This is how the media works to silence and vilify the opposition and to ensure that only their ideas control The Narrative. The media doesn't care about securing our schools; they only care about coming after our guns and handing Obama another political win.
The media also doesn’t care how wildly hypocritical they look.
In their zeal to rampage this left-wing agenda, the media has apparently forgotten that back in 2000, on the one-year anniversary of the Columbine shooting (which occurred with an assault weapons ban in place), President Clinton requested $60 million in federal money to fund a fifth round of funding for a program called "COPS in School," a program that does exactly what the NRA is proposing and the media is currently in overdrive mocking:
Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.
"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.
The media is not only so driven to ensure Sandy Hook is used to win this round on gun control that they've become morally blinded to what really needs to be done to immediately secure our schools; they've lost their grip historically and politically.
Think about it: The media is entering a new year attempting to convince parents that their children will be less safe with a policeman in their school.
Off the rails doesn’t even begin to describe it.
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Frankinstien: There are more gun laws alredy on the books that are not being inforced so making more will not solve the problem . All that will happen is wonder why they where not inforced in the first place .
The sad fact of life is there will always be nutcases among us and they will always find a way of doing there crazy aflictions . If someone uses a car to run down pedestrians do we ban cars ? If someone uses or hijacks an airplane to crash into populated areas , do we ban airplanes ? If someone burns down schools or hospitials do we ban gasoline or kerosene ?
I don't want to sound crass or uncarring, but we will never solve this or any other problem untill we go to the real source . Trying to deal with or ban the pripheral will never solve anything .
The sad fact of life is there will always be nutcases among us and they will always find a way of doing there crazy aflictions . If someone uses a car to run down pedestrians do we ban cars ? If someone uses or hijacks an airplane to crash into populated areas , do we ban airplanes ? If someone burns down schools or hospitials do we ban gasoline or kerosene ?
I don't want to sound crass or uncarring, but we will never solve this or any other problem untill we go to the real source . Trying to deal with or ban the pripheral will never solve anything .
What is the real source of the problem, in your opinion?
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What would be the best way to go about protecting our public places like schools etc in regards to shootings.
I'm not going to ban anyone.