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Dec 26, 2012 4:09 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Foxmaine: I agree a tank could be a serious problem, but only at the beginning. As we all know tanks can only carry a limited number of shells.
Simply go around the tank and cut it off from resupply. There it's semi-auto against auto mano a mano again. Once cut off and out of shells put a log in one of the tracks and the tank is stuck! BURN-EM OUT!!
you really think that a Tank will come all by it's lonesome self!
There will be plenty Infantry accompanying it!
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Dec 26, 2012 4:09 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
john12196341
john12196341john12196341jamestown, North Dakota USA53 Threads 684 Posts
Oregongold: I just hope that those in the military would know who the real enemies are, sometimes it is the ones that are the leaders of a country are the true enemy.
i agree with u 100%
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Dec 26, 2012 4:13 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Someone once told that MAN is it's own worst enemy or is that nightmare?

Maybe it's both.grin
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Dec 26, 2012 4:14 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Foxmaine
FoxmaineFoxmainecookeville, Tennessee USA22 Threads 191 Posts
arapaho: who the hell is going to invade and conquer America,


Invade I don't think so, but the US Gov has gotten quite out of hand lately.

look up
DHS buys 1.6 bullets
200k of those are sniper rounds

look up
FEMA camps


Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops To Prepare For Civil War


About 124,000,000 results (0.41 seconds)
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Dec 26, 2012 7:14 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Bluefish22
Bluefish22Bluefish22Chooksville, Bay of Plenty New Zealand16 Threads 1 Polls 909 Posts
Dagosto: I agree. What we need is more New Zealanders. You volunteering?
Perhaps I am. I WOULD like to see Ye Old Grande Canyon one of these days.. wine
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Dec 27, 2012 4:22 AM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Shortly after the Constitution was sent to the people for ratification, anti-federalists warned that the Constitution would make the federal government too strong in relation to the people. Not so, replied the Federalists. Tench Coxe — an ally of James Madison and Alexander Hamilton who would later serve in the Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison administrations — explained:

"The power of the sword, say the minority..., is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans. The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but where, I trust in God, it will always remain, in the hands of the people."

The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.
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Dec 27, 2012 5:22 AM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
Conrad73: Shortly after the Constitution was sent to the people for ratification...


'Scuse me, Conrad...what? Check again.

wine
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Dec 27, 2012 5:59 AM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
ChasingCars
ChasingCarsChasingCarsCrappy Thrappy, Northamptonshire, England UK26 Threads 5 Polls 1,006 Posts
It allows you to bear arms. The arms it originally allowed you to bear were pikes and muzzle loading rifles and pistols.With those you'd be unlikely to be able to massacre a whole group of innocent infants in a school. So maybe that's all you should be allowed. Automatic weapons assault rifles and sub machine guns have no place in civil society and a civilized nation will see no place for them outside its armed forces.
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Dec 27, 2012 6:38 AM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
In the wake of the Sandy Hook elementary school murders, many are calling for a ban on assault weapons. Sale of “assault weapons,” as defined in federal law, was prohibited from 1994 to 2004, and politicians and editorialists across the U.S. are calling for a reinstatement of the ban. To take just one of countless examples, the Minneapolis Star Tribune editorialized on Monday, “Ban assault weapons.”
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Dec 27, 2012 7:18 AM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
tomcatwarne: In the wake of the Sandy Hook elementary school murders, many are calling for a ban on assault weapons. Sale of “assault weapons,” as defined in federal law, was prohibited from 1994 to 2004, and politicians and editorialists across the U.S. are calling for a reinstatement of the ban. To take just one of countless examples, the Minneapolis Star Tribune editorialized on Monday, “Ban assault weapons.”
what is an Assault-Weapon?doh
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Dec 27, 2012 12:31 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Conrad73: what is an Assault-Weapon?

The legal term "Assault Weapon" was most notably used first in the language of the now-expired Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, more commonly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004. The federal assault weapons ban specifically prohibited 19 guns considered to be assault weapons. These were all semi-automatic firearms, meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger. In addition to the 19 weapons specifically prohibited, the federal assault weapons ban also defined as a prohibited assault weapon any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and at least two of the following five items: a folding or telescopic stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a bayonet mount; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel (a barrel that can accommodate a flash suppressor); or a grenade launcher. The act also defined as a prohibited assault weapon semi-automatic pistols that weighed more than 50 ounces when unloaded or included a barrel shroud, and barred the manufacture of magazines for both pistols and rifles capable of carrying more than 10 rounds.
OK?
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Dec 27, 2012 1:52 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Foxmaine
FoxmaineFoxmainecookeville, Tennessee USA22 Threads 191 Posts
ooby_dooby: The legal term "Assault Weapon" was most notably used first in the language of the now-expired Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, more commonly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004. The federal assault weapons ban specifically prohibited 19 guns considered to be assault weapons. These were all semi-automatic firearms, meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger. In addition to the 19 weapons specifically prohibited, the federal assault weapons ban also defined as a prohibited assault weapon any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and at least two of the following five items: a folding or telescopic stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a bayonet mount; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel (a barrel that can accommodate a flash suppressor); or a grenade launcher. The act also defined as a prohibited assault weapon semi-automatic pistols that weighed more than 50 ounces when unloaded or included a barrel shroud, and barred the manufacture of magazines for both pistols and rifles capable of carrying more than 10 rounds.
OK?


Again! So says the Gov and we all know the Gov only speaks in lies!! The reasons they offer for doing these things are written to sound good but in fact are completely BS!
NO!! Gun is bad. PEOPLE the use then can be bad! Punishing 100,000,000 lawful citizens to do little more than slap a crook on the wrist is totally a BS thing to do!!
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Dec 27, 2012 2:03 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
ooby_dooby: The legal term "Assault Weapon" was most notably used first in the language of the now-expired Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act of 1994, more commonly known as the Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired in 2004. The federal assault weapons ban specifically prohibited 19 guns considered to be assault weapons. These were all semi-automatic firearms, meaning that they can eject spent shell casings and chamber the next round without additional human action, but (as opposed to automatic firearms) only one round is fired per pull of the trigger. In addition to the 19 weapons specifically prohibited, the federal assault weapons ban also defined as a prohibited assault weapon any semiautomatic rifle with a detachable magazine and at least two of the following five items: a folding or telescopic stock; a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon; a bayonet mount; a flash suppressor or threaded barrel (a barrel that can accommodate a flash suppressor); or a grenade launcher. The act also defined as a prohibited assault weapon semi-automatic pistols that weighed more than 50 ounces when unloaded or included a barrel shroud, and barred the manufacture of magazines for both pistols and rifles capable of carrying more than 10 rounds.
OK?
you mean,the Political expedient term!
It has no bearing on the Technical Realities of the Weapons!
Remove the Flash-hider,Bayonet-Lug,etc,and its a semi-automatic Rifle!
Add it,and it becomes an Assault-Rifle!
Purpose of the exercise is to give grief to the Citizen,that's all,keep him off balance!
As a Friend of mine put it,"If you can't convince 'em,confuse 'em"!
Things got so bad,your Olympic Team had to come and train in Switzerland,because their Pistols and Rifles were declared Assault-Weapons!
Term is purely Legalese!laugh
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Dec 27, 2012 2:36 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
The first 'Mass Slaying' that came to world attention was that at Hungerford in 1987/8 and interesting that they have been happening ever since especially in the USA.

It's NOT the guns that are the issue.

It's the state of mind of the PEOPLE who are taking those guns and using them.

The thing to do is to look back at such 'sea change events' and see what preceded them.

In the case of the Hungerford Massacre - that happened about a year after the introduction of Prozac, and as the number of people given that drug and others of it's genre.

It's a laudable notion to 'ease mental torment' but when one of the side effects is to eliminate the humanity that's ruled by the normal inhibitory mechanisms ... these events are what follows.

Many people have had a bad day and expressed 'murderous thoughts' but they don;t ever 'do anything' because that normal inhibitory system prevents action ... they know it would be wrong. On a lesser scale, just look at some of the stupid things people do when they have 'lessened' their inhibitions with an alcoholic drink or two!

But, feed them certain drugs and combos and that inhibition is totally removed, as well as with it the sense of 'conscience' about right / wrong.

A person on such drugs then will, having had a 'murderous thought' simply set to and find the means whereby and the method of literally 'executing their intent'

First there's the need to resolve the (prescription) drugging problem that drives these behaviours, to take away the root cause.

I'll follow this with a second post, not related to drugging, but significant to the debate as another 'vital question' to be asked is 'Who benefits and who loses by the introduction of ANY new law'
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Dec 27, 2012 2:40 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
This is a straight cut n paste, I havent checked the details line by line but the figures 'look about right' as I recall other articles and debates.

Begin:

So you reckon that American civilians should give up their guns ?
a few historical facts about gun control :-

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control:
56 million.

It looks as though history would encourage people to hang on to their guns if only on the grounds of having the capacity to keep their government honest by having the neans to fight back against them!

Are 'People the enemy of The State?'

or

'Has The State become the enemy of The People?'
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Dec 27, 2012 2:45 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Foxmaine
FoxmaineFoxmainecookeville, Tennessee USA22 Threads 191 Posts
HexagonKeySet: This is a straight cut n paste, I havent checked the details line by line but the figures 'look about right' as I recall other articles and debates.

Begin:

So you reckon that American civilians should give up their guns ?
a few historical facts about gun control :-

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control.
From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
From 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th century because of gun control:
56 million.

It looks as though history would encourage people to hang on to their guns if only on the grounds of having the capacity to keep their government honest by having the neans to fight back against them!

Are 'People the enemy of The State?'

or

'Has The State become the enemy of The People?'


I mean damn just look at what the US gov has done here lately and it's quick to see that the US gov is the enemy of the citizen here!!!
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Dec 27, 2012 8:39 PM CST To conquer a nation first disarm it's citizens
Bluefish22
Bluefish22Bluefish22Chooksville, Bay of Plenty New Zealand16 Threads 1 Polls 909 Posts
To conquer a nation, feed all its children drugs like Ritalin, Prozac etc and its parents Valium and other such numbitys, to cure such ailments as, too happy, little bit fidgety, too much sugar in the diet, too much fat in the diet, bullying, stupid parents that give their child whatever it demands, has too much fun, wants to go outside and play with sticks down the river and have fun with nature instead of the generic playground with no risks whatsoever etc etc.

It is a global phenomenon, it just happens that these children have much easier access to guns in the USA.
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