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Jan 9, 2013 8:58 AM CST quantum physics
marcus359
marcus359marcus359las cruces, New Mexico USA2 Threads 3 Posts
Is our reality a holographic illusion?
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Jan 9, 2013 9:51 AM CST quantum physics
Galactic_bodhi
Galactic_bodhiGalactic_bodhiAkron, Ohio USA609 Threads 1 Polls 9,196 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


Bohm's interpretation certainly has a potential for holographic elements. However, there are also the Everett interpretations and the classic Copenhagen interpretations that compete with a holographic reality, wherein the data is the same but the non-local nature of the data is either attributed to dendritic splitting of reality (Everett) without wave-function collapse except from an observers perspective, or a straight probability wave-function collapse without reading extra variables like non-locality or multiple worlds as in the Copenhagen interpretation.

Is reality real? That's a self-limiting question because "reality" is so much more than the observable phenomena that we can measure. The phenomenon known as Synchronicity in Carl Jung's work gives us an idea that phenomena can only be linked in the human imagination through levels of "meaning" and "meaning" is an entirely subjective quantity.
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Jan 10, 2013 9:12 PM CST quantum physics
Bluefish22
Bluefish22Bluefish22Chooksville, Bay of Plenty New Zealand16 Threads 1 Polls 909 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


It is, if thats what you think it is.

We create our world with our thoughts.
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Jan 10, 2013 10:53 PM CST quantum physics
Irishidaho
IrishidahoIrishidahoWeiser, Idaho USA6 Posts
It is perplexing. I shall ponder it.confused
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Jan 10, 2013 11:03 PM CST quantum physics
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
Bluefish22: It is, if thats what you think it is.

We create our world with our thoughts.


Well, walk out in the road in heavy traffic and think about not getting hit. You might get a dose of reality regardless of what you think.
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Jan 10, 2013 11:04 PM CST quantum physics
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


Who is having the illusion ?
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Jan 10, 2013 11:37 PM CST quantum physics
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
In response to: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


It's possible. Based on what little I read it is at least theoretically possible for there to exist a parallel reality or multiple (if not infinite) realities.

Q-mechanics always reminds me of Descartes' dream argument.
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Jan 11, 2013 1:04 AM CST quantum physics
Bluefish22
Bluefish22Bluefish22Chooksville, Bay of Plenty New Zealand16 Threads 1 Polls 909 Posts
Dadude62: Well, walk out in the road in heavy traffic and think about not getting hit. You might get a dose of reality regardless of what you think.

That is true sir, but being a happy person I have no wish to maim myself laugh

I mean we create our world as in, the motorcars you speak of, somebody thunk it up. The sad person who cries all the time will speak of a terrible, frightening world, whereas the happy person will speak of a beautiful enlightening one.

We are who we think, and that is how we live.
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Jan 11, 2013 4:03 AM CST quantum physics
Harleyquinn
HarleyquinnHarleyquinnBetwixt the stix, Illinois USA10 Threads 1,707 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


Inside our mind our reality is mostly space!

Outside, the baryonic(matter) world is mostly space!

We're lost in space & the earth is our imaginary home.confused





SHANTIwine
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Jan 11, 2013 4:12 AM CST quantum physics
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
ref Steven Hawking

A famous example of different pictures of reality is the model introduced around A.D. 150 by Ptolemy (ca. 85–ca. 165) to describe the motion of the celestial bodies. Ptolemy published his work in a treatise explaining reasons for thinking that the earth is spherical, motionless, positioned at the center of the universe, and negligibly small in comparison to the distance of the heavens.

This model seemed natural because we don't feel the earth under our feet moving (except in earthquakes or moments of passion). Ptolemy's model of the cosmos was adopted by the Catholic Church and held as official doctrine for fourteen hundred years. It was not until 1543 that an alternative model was put forward by Copernicus. So which is real? Although it is not uncommon for people to say Copernicus proved Ptolemy wrong, that is not true. As in the case of the goldfish, one can use either picture as a model of the universe. The real advantage of the Copernican system is that the mathematics is much simpler in the frame of reference in which the sun is at rest.

(Watch TIME's video "Herschel: The Telescope for Invisible Stars.")
These examples bring us to a conclusion: There is no picture- or theory-independent concept of reality. Instead we adopt a view that we call model-dependent realism: the idea that a physical theory or world picture is a model (generally of a mathematical nature) and a set of rules that connect the elements of the model to observations. This provides a framework with which to interpret modern science.

Though realism may be a tempting viewpoint, what we know about modern physics makes it a difficult one to defend. For example, according to the principles of quantum physics, which is an accurate description of nature, a particle has neither a definite position nor a definite velocity unless and until those quantities are measured by an observer. In fact, in some cases individual objects don't even have an independent existence but rather exist only as part of an ensemble of many.
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Jan 11, 2013 4:17 AM CST quantum physics
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Electrons are a useful model that explains observations like tracks in a cloud chamber and the spots of light on a television tube. Quarks, which we also cannot see, are a model to explain the properties of the protons and neutrons in the nucleus of an atom. Though protons and neutrons are said to be made of quarks, we will never observe a quark because the binding force between quarks increases with separation, and hence isolated, free quarks cannot exist in nature.

Model-dependent realism can provide a framework to discuss questions such as: If the world was created a finite time ago, what happened before that? Some people support a model in which time goes back even further than the big bang. It is not yet clear whether a model in which time continued back beyond the big bang would be better at explaining present observations because it seems the laws of the evolution of the universe may break down at the big bang. If they do, it would make no sense to create a model that encompasses time before the big bang, because what existed then would have no observable consequences for the present, and so we might as well stick with the idea that the big bang was the creation of the world.

A model is a good model if it:
1. Is elegant
2. Contains few arbitrary or adjustable elements
3. Agrees with and explains all existing observations
4. Makes detailed predictions about future observations that can disprove or falsify the model if they are not borne out.

The above criteria are obviously subjective. Elegance refers to the form of a theory, but it is closely related to a lack of adjustable elements, since a theory jammed with fudge factors is not very elegant. To paraphrase Einstein, a theory should be as simple as possible, but not simpler. As for the fourth point, scientists are always impressed when new and stunning predictions prove correct. On the other hand, when a model is found lacking, people still often don't abandon the model but instead attempt to save it through modifications. Although physicists are indeed tenacious in their attempts to rescue theories they admire, the tendency to modify a theory fades to the degree that the alterations become artificial or cumbersome, and therefore "inelegant."

In our quest to find the laws that govern the universe we have formulated a number of theories or models, such as the four-element theory, the Ptolemaic model, the phlogiston theory, the big bang theory, and so on. Regarding the laws that govern the universe, what we can say is this: There seems to be no single mathematical model or theory that can describe every aspect of the universe. Instead, there seems to be the network of theories, With each theory or model, our concepts of reality and of the fundamental constituents of the universe have changed.
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Jan 11, 2013 4:39 AM CST quantum physics
Dagosto
DagostoDagostoKnoxville, Tennessee USA74 Threads 15 Polls 3,076 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?


Yours may be. Mine is not.

Unless they intersect.

wine
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Feb 13, 2013 7:26 PM CST quantum physics
ivajlov
ivajlovivajlovSofia, Sofia City Bulgaria25 Threads 12 Polls 387 Posts
marcus359: Is our reality a holographic illusion?

I think that only our perceptions of the reality are illusive.
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