Paying for extras (19)
Nature123: How much does it piss you off paying for extras.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
Not sure about computers in school being free I mean my kids got by with a calculator run by solar and pen to paper and they exceeded to high levels in their education and it really shows today in their careers today. 
we all know how expensive computers are so why shouldn't parents pay a small fee. I think we Aussies are fortunate to have free education as it is. JMO! Kids seem to have it all today and not all of them are too bright not meaning anything towards your children , just kids in general cannot add up in their head 
curly28: Not sure about computers in school being free I mean my kids got by with a calculator run by solar and pen to paper and they exceeded to high levels in their education and it really shows today in their careers today.
we all know how expensive computers are so why shouldn't parents pay a small fee. I think we Aussies are fortunate to have free education as it is. JMO! Kids seem to have it all today and not all of them are too bright not meaning anything towards your children , just kids in general cannot add up in their head
we all know how expensive computers are so why shouldn't parents pay a small fee. I think we Aussies are fortunate to have free education as it is. JMO! Kids seem to have it all today and not all of them are too bright not meaning anything towards your children , just kids in general cannot add up in their head
I must be the exception to the rule used the same as curlys kids look at me now about to hit 50 and manual labor
Not sure about extras but neice by marriage who was the oldest . Put a scare in her parents when she was at school .The school sent a letter home saying buy a computer or your child will fail.this of course was a while ago when no one had computers at home.
Extras i guess are just that extra mind u if u take tom off you dont get a discount !!!
i agree, paying for extras or changes to standard orders etc has gone a bit far. What happened to good ol' fashion service. As long as the change isn't too significant to those providing the service, i would see it as a act of goodwill and it would encourage me to go back.
I often call into a small service station near my house because they still provide the service of pumping the petrol. I love that. They do good business. others like it as well. I would be most offended if they started to charge for this extra service. I beleive it's what sets them apart from the others. We are loosing these optortunities to interact with each other in this modern world, which is a shame.
As for school's charging for internet use!!!!(i'll try not to get on my soap box, I wouldn't want to bore your socks off)
Less than 30 years ago when I left school, there was one computer hiden away in a dark room somewhere and only the chosen few were allowed to use it. All my parents were expected to pay for was a few exercise books, some pens, a uniform and the occasional local excursion.
Most of you will agree, we managed to get a damn fine education, if we chose to accept it and got along just fine.
How things have changed. Free education is no longer the right of the masses it seems. The government, mainly at state level have been doing everything they can to cut costs at the expenses of the education staff and students. They are currently pushing a new initiative called "Local Schools, Local decisions", which simple put, JMO, is about giving a fixed amount of money to each school and leaving the poor principal to divvy it up. This means he gets to decide what staff he can afford to employ, what resaources the school can afford and what money goes to maintenance etc. Of course the bucket will not be big enough to cover all the needs of the school and more existing programs and buildings will suffer. Schools out west will not be able to attract the staff they need if the transfer system is abolished, which will disadvantage those schools emormously.
Federal governments of the past have increased the amounts of money given to private schools, who still receive large fee contributions from the parents which has created a divide in the quality of facilities and resources between the public and private systems.
Anyway back to the point, currently schools have an average of 100 computers in a school of about 700 students. Staff rooms usually have a few, there are usually two or three computer labs and the library will also have anough for a class. Schools have to manage these computers themselves, there is no employed technically trained staff to maintain them. Usually some poor over worked teacher who also is expected to teach gets lumbered with the job.
Internet access is a given for students in this day and age. Could you imagine sending your kids to a school that didn't have the internet or computers? Most parents want their kids to have access to the latest technology so they become competent in the modern world and are employable when they are ready to look for work.
Why then does the government think that this expense is not part and parcel of a modern education. Why are they not making allowances for this service and including it in their future planning along with the implementation of technology into schools and the employment of qualified staff to maintain it. The council or local business would never be so foolish.
Perhaps they shouldn't have sold telstra and they could have got it for nothing.
Surely our kids and the government education system deserves to be built up and supported by all levels of government and not undermined and erroded for the sake of saving a few bucks. It's disgraceful.
Every parent should speak up and let the government know that our kids education is worth fighting for and enough is enough with the cost cutting etc.
end of rant
I often call into a small service station near my house because they still provide the service of pumping the petrol. I love that. They do good business. others like it as well. I would be most offended if they started to charge for this extra service. I beleive it's what sets them apart from the others. We are loosing these optortunities to interact with each other in this modern world, which is a shame.
As for school's charging for internet use!!!!(i'll try not to get on my soap box, I wouldn't want to bore your socks off)
Less than 30 years ago when I left school, there was one computer hiden away in a dark room somewhere and only the chosen few were allowed to use it. All my parents were expected to pay for was a few exercise books, some pens, a uniform and the occasional local excursion.
Most of you will agree, we managed to get a damn fine education, if we chose to accept it and got along just fine.
How things have changed. Free education is no longer the right of the masses it seems. The government, mainly at state level have been doing everything they can to cut costs at the expenses of the education staff and students. They are currently pushing a new initiative called "Local Schools, Local decisions", which simple put, JMO, is about giving a fixed amount of money to each school and leaving the poor principal to divvy it up. This means he gets to decide what staff he can afford to employ, what resaources the school can afford and what money goes to maintenance etc. Of course the bucket will not be big enough to cover all the needs of the school and more existing programs and buildings will suffer. Schools out west will not be able to attract the staff they need if the transfer system is abolished, which will disadvantage those schools emormously.
Federal governments of the past have increased the amounts of money given to private schools, who still receive large fee contributions from the parents which has created a divide in the quality of facilities and resources between the public and private systems.
Anyway back to the point, currently schools have an average of 100 computers in a school of about 700 students. Staff rooms usually have a few, there are usually two or three computer labs and the library will also have anough for a class. Schools have to manage these computers themselves, there is no employed technically trained staff to maintain them. Usually some poor over worked teacher who also is expected to teach gets lumbered with the job.
Internet access is a given for students in this day and age. Could you imagine sending your kids to a school that didn't have the internet or computers? Most parents want their kids to have access to the latest technology so they become competent in the modern world and are employable when they are ready to look for work.
Why then does the government think that this expense is not part and parcel of a modern education. Why are they not making allowances for this service and including it in their future planning along with the implementation of technology into schools and the employment of qualified staff to maintain it. The council or local business would never be so foolish.
Perhaps they shouldn't have sold telstra and they could have got it for nothing.
Surely our kids and the government education system deserves to be built up and supported by all levels of government and not undermined and erroded for the sake of saving a few bucks. It's disgraceful.
Every parent should speak up and let the government know that our kids education is worth fighting for and enough is enough with the cost cutting etc.
end of rant
By donating computers to schools Bill Gates bribed Aust Government (Howard) to take away peoples rights, e.g you buy computer software from Gates he still claims he owns it you've only got the use of it
When i purchased my first computer i also purchased Office 95 which Gates had a legal responsibility to fix the error in, instead of fixing the flawed software he brought out new versions of Office on install first page that appeared required that you to agreed that Gates still owned it and you only had use of it
Conduct of a thief, which Howard let loose upon all of us, prior to that you brought something it belonged to you and the contractual obligations that appeared in the legal bla bla set out Gates and Co had a legal obligation to make good faults and was enforceable under Australian Law
When i purchased my first computer i also purchased Office 95 which Gates had a legal responsibility to fix the error in, instead of fixing the flawed software he brought out new versions of Office on install first page that appeared required that you to agreed that Gates still owned it and you only had use of it
Conduct of a thief, which Howard let loose upon all of us, prior to that you brought something it belonged to you and the contractual obligations that appeared in the legal bla bla set out Gates and Co had a legal obligation to make good faults and was enforceable under Australian Law
Very true Rob,
Microsoft supplied all the schools with a free pouch full of Microsoft software. Windows and the office suite. Every kid in Australia learnt how to use Microsoft, so obviously the parents brought the same software for their kids on their home computer, and so did those kids when they got their own computer. Your more likely to go with what you know.
Like him or loave him, you gotta admit it was a clever marketing strategy. Made him filthy rich.
Microsoft supplied all the schools with a free pouch full of Microsoft software. Windows and the office suite. Every kid in Australia learnt how to use Microsoft, so obviously the parents brought the same software for their kids on their home computer, and so did those kids when they got their own computer. Your more likely to go with what you know.
Like him or loave him, you gotta admit it was a clever marketing strategy. Made him filthy rich.
yeah and i had to eventually replace $5000 of outdated computer...errrrrrrr
I guess on the other hand its all improved, got cheaper more memory, functions and actually works better
but has cost individuals a lot to
I guess on the other hand its all improved, got cheaper more memory, functions and actually works better
but has cost individuals a lot to
LiLee: Federal governments of the past have increased the amounts of money given to private schools, who still receive large fee contributions from the parents which has created a divide in the quality of facilities and resources between the public and private systems.
Was going out with a teacher in NSW around 2000. One day she showed me a newsletter put out by the Union showing how much the Govt gave for each child attending public and private schools, stating how unfair of the Govt giving private schools something like $48 per child per week while Govt schools were only getting $36 per child per week (can't remember the exact figures but it was about this proportion).
She was bagging me no end because my kids went to a private school. Only the week before, I had received a newsletter from the kids school explaining a bit about the Govt funding and where it went in the school, and where our fees went as well.
So I asked her if the $36/week was:
- to cover the cost of new buildings? No, that is separate
- to cover the cost of maintenance of existing buildings? No, that is separate
- to cover the wages for school staff? No, that is separate
- to cover the costs of Council rates? No, we don't pay any.
I explained that private school may receive the $48/week but that included all of the above.
After looking at it in real terms with all the other expenses, the private school do not receive as much overall Govt support as public schools.
The simple fact is that the Govt is much better off giving funds to private schools as it costs them much less in the long run.
Some private school however do seem to get very large handouts because a proportion of their students come from so-called 'socio-economic disadvantaged' areas. A good example is Kings College in Sydney. A fair number of students come from the Moree district. It has a large Indigineous population with many not able to find employment. And is surrounded by very large rural properties where they can easily afford the exhorbitant fees at Kings.
And the faulty system manages to give them very big handouts which they don't deserve. And I do think that trying to fix this was part of the Federal reforms put forward under the Howard Govt.
Nature123: How much does it piss you off paying for extras.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
The kid got a free Mac last year, we just had to buy a case and an external drive to store her work and show recites before she could have the Mac? Offcourse she had to hand the Mac back when she finished school! But I have been buying her laptops for years and claiming tax deductions on the laptops as well as internet use, the Mac came at a good time though! She had just crashed her third laptop!
But she is a wiz on a computer! I put her on one when she was just four, drawing pictures, first mobile at 12, face book account by 14, she now plays those violent video games? So don’t piss her off! Or else!
At least with me supplying the kid with what she wanted, it has paid off with her now working with computers faster than most,
Sorry to go right off the subject,
But what has happened to lookin, I am worried.
But what has happened to lookin, I am worried.
Nature123: Sorry to go right off the subject,
But what has happened to lookin, I am worried.
But what has happened to lookin, I am worried.
He saw that Telstra sock add on TV and rang 1234?
Hi blizz,
No I am really concerned about him.not joking.
No I am really concerned about him.not joking.
Hi Wash,
I am unaware of the breakdown in funds allocated to either system.
I certainly have no objection to peoples' rights to chose where to send their kids. In fact, I applaud the fact that Australian's have a choice.
It does break my heart tho to see how the government keeps suggesting that government school kids' parents should start to pay more and more towards what has proudly been Australia's right to free education paid for by the Australian tax payers.
As the facilities of public school continue to become neglected and can appear run down in some instances, while, in my limited observations, private facilities are well maintained and continually added to and upgraded. A credit to the private schools, but they do have the advantage of government money and parent contributions.
Unfortunately, parents (not all but some) make decisions on where their kids should go based on appearances from the outside. The state of the buildings are where their first impressions lie and first impressions hold a lot of weight.
I see that public perception could easily be that public schools are always whining about lack of funds (because the government keeps making cuts) and the private schools are expanding.
Of course my comments are general and their are indiviual differences to what I've said.
I just wish the government (state, mainly) would value our great public education system more, support it and the parents that choose to send their kids there and not continue to undermine it at every opportunity.
Sorry, another rant.......I will stop now, sorry, its just a topic that I feel strongly about.
I am unaware of the breakdown in funds allocated to either system.
I certainly have no objection to peoples' rights to chose where to send their kids. In fact, I applaud the fact that Australian's have a choice.
It does break my heart tho to see how the government keeps suggesting that government school kids' parents should start to pay more and more towards what has proudly been Australia's right to free education paid for by the Australian tax payers.
As the facilities of public school continue to become neglected and can appear run down in some instances, while, in my limited observations, private facilities are well maintained and continually added to and upgraded. A credit to the private schools, but they do have the advantage of government money and parent contributions.
Unfortunately, parents (not all but some) make decisions on where their kids should go based on appearances from the outside. The state of the buildings are where their first impressions lie and first impressions hold a lot of weight.
I see that public perception could easily be that public schools are always whining about lack of funds (because the government keeps making cuts) and the private schools are expanding.
Of course my comments are general and their are indiviual differences to what I've said.
I just wish the government (state, mainly) would value our great public education system more, support it and the parents that choose to send their kids there and not continue to undermine it at every opportunity.
Sorry, another rant.......I will stop now, sorry, its just a topic that I feel strongly about.
LiLee: Hi Wash,
I am unaware of the breakdown in funds allocated to either system.
I certainly have no objection to peoples' rights to chose where to send their kids. In fact, I applaud the fact that Australian's have a choice.
It does break my heart tho to see how the government keeps suggesting that government school kids' parents should start to pay more and more towards what has proudly been Australia's right to free education paid for by the Australian tax payers.
As the facilities of public school continue to become neglected and can appear run down in some instances, while, in my limited observations, private facilities are well maintained and continually added to and upgraded. A credit to the private schools, but they do have the advantage of government money and parent contributions.
Unfortunately, parents (not all but some) make decisions on where their kids should go based on appearances from the outside. The state of the buildings are where their first impressions lie and first impressions hold a lot of weight.
I see that public perception could easily be that public schools are always whining about lack of funds (because the government keeps making cuts) and the private schools are expanding.
Of course my comments are general and their are indiviual differences to what I've said.
I just wish the government (state, mainly) would value our great public education system more, support it and the parents that choose to send their kids there and not continue to undermine it at every opportunity.
Sorry, another rant.......I will stop now, sorry, its just a topic that I feel strongly about.
I am unaware of the breakdown in funds allocated to either system.
I certainly have no objection to peoples' rights to chose where to send their kids. In fact, I applaud the fact that Australian's have a choice.
It does break my heart tho to see how the government keeps suggesting that government school kids' parents should start to pay more and more towards what has proudly been Australia's right to free education paid for by the Australian tax payers.
As the facilities of public school continue to become neglected and can appear run down in some instances, while, in my limited observations, private facilities are well maintained and continually added to and upgraded. A credit to the private schools, but they do have the advantage of government money and parent contributions.
Unfortunately, parents (not all but some) make decisions on where their kids should go based on appearances from the outside. The state of the buildings are where their first impressions lie and first impressions hold a lot of weight.
I see that public perception could easily be that public schools are always whining about lack of funds (because the government keeps making cuts) and the private schools are expanding.
Of course my comments are general and their are indiviual differences to what I've said.
I just wish the government (state, mainly) would value our great public education system more, support it and the parents that choose to send their kids there and not continue to undermine it at every opportunity.
Sorry, another rant.......I will stop now, sorry, its just a topic that I feel strongly about.
I did try to put up a decent rant about this and the computer froze. Maybe was a good thing because I did go on a bit about what was the outcome of giving our children a decent private-school education.
Short story was that we did scrimp and save to make sure they had a decent education in a socio-economic deprived area. And it did ultimately cost the marriage. But the outcome was well worth it.
I have seen that the Education Union is very quick to point out what they see as the private schools have gotten, but fail to explain that the limited funding the Govt gives private schools is the total benefit while there are so many hidden costs in the State system.
Nature123: Hi blizz,
No I am really concerned about him.not joking.
No I am really concerned about him.not joking.
Don't worry too much about Mr LooK'n ... he'll pop UP when YoU least eXpect him ...... .........................................
Well, I went for a Royal Thai Massage last week and I was quite happy to pay for extras.
I abhor having to pay for extras for a flight such as picking your seat and meals and luggage. 
Just when you think you found a cheap flight, isn't that cheap in the end.
Just when you think you found a cheap flight, isn't that cheap in the end.
Nature123: How much does it piss you off paying for extras.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
to me an exchange is exactly that an exchange not an extra.
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.
The education system used to be a social service by our governments. But this model has changed. I work in education and the catch-cry is that education is a business. By definition, a business is profit driven, not service driven. Governments what return on investment. So they are "pounds foolish, penny wise". The wastage at high level is atrocious, but the penny pinching at the coal face is scandalous.
We have lost touch with social service, and now all essential services have to make some sort of profit to fund delusional fantasy programs put in place by incompetent politicians hoping to judge their performance by their peers instead of their people.
So now it is a "user pays" model. Not a social service model.
You'll be paying more and more for essentials, let alone "extras"...
We have lost touch with social service, and now all essential services have to make some sort of profit to fund delusional fantasy programs put in place by incompetent politicians hoping to judge their performance by their peers instead of their people.
Politicians are just people usually with an ego but aiming more for the perks such as the overly generous pay and super fund.
Their "peers" are really the voters. The few Independants are about the only ones who are truly judged on their ability to provide for their electorate.
The rest are voted in soley on who does the second last stuff up. Current govt has a good ( ) track record
- Pink Batts Scheme where so many shonky installers were around and people got electrocuted or houses burnt down from bad installation
- Schools Scheme where the Govt had only "Authorised" builders who charged double what others could provide (advise from Principals) and ended up with buildings being constructed in flood prone areas (2 whole new schools in Geelong), over the staff carparks ("Council needs to provide parking for teachers" - what the...) or new schools being built with no decent road, parking or even footpaths and it is expec ted that the local communities (meaning local Councils) will foot the expense.
- Fantastic Solar Rebates where the Govt promised to give homeowners tremendous rebates on their supply to the networks only for it to be reduced. All 'upgradable' for when you want to get the diminshing rebate. 1 guy at work went for the full system and had massive savings. 12 months later, the invertor has crapped itself and seems that this model is now not available as new, updated models are being manufactured....."unfortunately, sir, you will be required to look at upgrading your system for the new more efficent invertors now available."
- Illegal immigration was not seen as a problem by the current Govt and decided to close down a lot of off-shore detention centres as processing and the lengthy legal battles were becoming tedious. Has resulted in many more illegals arriving and now have to construct (at mega-dollars) new facilities
- Overturned the Tassie Govt decision not to approve the Gunns' mega-development, and then overturned that decision and payed out Gunns mega bucks in compensation. And now Gunns has gone belly up
- Forced reduction in irrigation schemes that the various Govts have encouraged, so many farmers gone under.
Just finished a Morgan Gallop Poll while trying to write this. "Who will you vote for in the next Federal election." No-one. They are scripted to get an answer and so I said "Can you put the current Govt last out of all the choices."
Had to work from the bottom up to give an answer. 
The choices are limited.
Politicians are just people usually with an ego but aiming more for the perks such as the overly generous pay and super fund.
Their "peers" are really the voters. The few Independants are about the only ones who are truly judged on their ability to provide for their electorate.
The rest are voted in soley on who does the second last stuff up. Current govt has a good (
) track record- Pink Batts Scheme where so many shonky installers were around and people got electrocuted or houses burnt down from bad installation
- Schools Scheme where the Govt had only "Authorised" builders who charged double what others could provide (advise from Principals) and ended up with buildings being constructed in flood prone areas (2 whole new schools in Geelong), over the staff carparks ("Council needs to provide parking for teachers" - what the...) or new schools being built with no decent road, parking or even footpaths and it is expec ted that the local communities (meaning local Councils) will foot the expense.
- Fantastic Solar Rebates where the Govt promised to give homeowners tremendous rebates on their supply to the networks only for it to be reduced. All 'upgradable' for when you want to get the diminshing rebate. 1 guy at work went for the full system and had massive savings. 12 months later, the invertor has crapped itself and seems that this model is now not available as new, updated models are being manufactured....."unfortunately, sir, you will be required to look at upgrading your system for the new more efficent invertors now available."
- Illegal immigration was not seen as a problem by the current Govt and decided to close down a lot of off-shore detention centres as processing and the lengthy legal battles were becoming tedious. Has resulted in many more illegals arriving and now have to construct (at mega-dollars) new facilities
- Overturned the Tassie Govt decision not to approve the Gunns' mega-development, and then overturned that decision and payed out Gunns mega bucks in compensation. And now Gunns has gone belly up
- Forced reduction in irrigation schemes that the various Govts have encouraged, so many farmers gone under.
Just finished a Morgan Gallop Poll while trying to write this. "Who will you vote for in the next Federal election." No-one. They are scripted to get an answer and so I said "Can you put the current Govt last out of all the choices."
Had to work from the bottom up to give an answer.
The choices are limited.
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My son had McDonald's yesterday, he exchanged tom for extra lettuce,
The burger was $8.95. By itself, and got charged 50 cents for extra lettuce,
Public schooling,hit you for fees left right and centre. When my boy went to school in Tasmania every thing was paid for by the school. I thought Australia including Tasmania was under the same school system , now that they have bought in computers at school they are thinking about charging the parents for Internet usage.