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Redex: Should Britain stay in the EU
or renegotiate terms and should it be put to public vote
or renegotiate terms and should it be put to public vote
FULL EU membership was always the Tory's baby with Heath at the helm.
I, like many others voted NO in 1975 and we said we should stay with the free trade agreement but not full integration and having been on the receiviong end of what Full membership of the EU did to us when I was working I still hold that opinion.
Since 1975 we have been sold out, lost our sovereignty and OUR elected parliamentry rights to make our own laws and decide what we do for ourselves were sabotaged removed. - Unelected beauracrats make the laws we are forced to abide by while our gutless politicians allow it. Membership costs £65 billion (gross) every year which means in real terms that every family in the UK pays £440 per year.
Therefore I say NO to full membership any longer. - OUR money should be spent here and whatever is negotiated with a trade only agreement it is inevitable that some of the cost will go to unelected Bureaucrats.
We should refuse to pay the membership ae of NOW and there should be an immediate referendum. ShaM Moron promised it and others before the Etonian out of touch parasite was elected and like all Tories after he got the job he has failed to honour any of them.
NO 
mickeyscouse: NO
no to all three mickeyscouse
Ziggie20: Redex. With respect my age has nothing t0o do with this matter and I only stated the Facts because - Briefely :-
1. You asked for comnments.
2. I stated that Heath wanted us IN and was promoting it.
3. The voting age was reduced to 18 in 1969 and we were getting more EU Yes propaganda than No rammed down our throats daily in ALL the media.
4. I and all colleagues my age were entitled to the vote on the 1975 referendum. Most of us voted NO then and those that are still living, still say NO.
Regards
ZIG
1. You asked for comnments.
2. I stated that Heath wanted us IN and was promoting it.
3. The voting age was reduced to 18 in 1969 and we were getting more EU Yes propaganda than No rammed down our throats daily in ALL the media.
4. I and all colleagues my age were entitled to the vote on the 1975 referendum. Most of us voted NO then and those that are still living, still say NO.
Regards
ZIG
Thankyou ziggie for reply and yes I agree. I only mentioned age as you always seem to be slagging people off who do not agree with you.
always seem to be angry etc.
Redex: Thankyou ziggie for reply and yes I agree. I only mentioned age as you always seem to be slagging people off who do not agree with you.always seem to be angry etc.
Hi Red
OK -
1. I apologise if what I say as strongly held popinion seems angry and 2. I have NOT slagged off anyone on CS.
3. My comments are based on experience and opinion.
4. Most of my friends are ex-service, not known for diplomacy on issues that effect everyone and wouldfall into that category as well.
BUT
A - We do however know how to conduct ourselves in public, at official dinners and social occasions at all levels and do not need the emergency services and Filth to arrest us for being pissed out of our brains and worse.
SO
B - I will take the hint and make no further comment.
But
A - has spoiled a beautiful friendship
A - has spoiled a beautiful friendship
the 1975 referendum was a def no and when i went to school well before then just ask ziggy NO meant NO or you got a clip round the ear so its a resounding NO from me or is cameronman rallying round the youngsters now
leisure07: the 1975 referendum was a def no and when i went to school well before then just ask ziggy NO meant NO or you got a clip round the ear so its a resounding NO from me or is cameronman rallying round the youngsters now
Well he could be but as long as some terms are changed, its a mockery at the moment.
Redex: Well he could be but as long as some terms are changed, its a mockery at the moment.
i like this thread is for those of a mature standing prob the yougsters have not got a clue whats it all aboutleisure07: i like this thread is for those of a mature standing prob the yougsters have not got a clue whats it all about
Just some do not I have had good debate with some 17yar olds and they come up with some good points but they want us to be too isolated I think We do need some intergation but mainly for trade. Of course and agreement that big companies can not escape each countries tax by evasions.
Integration into a United States of Europe with a president who we have not elected, who most British people will have never heard of, who we can't remove from power via a democratic vote, have our laws & health and safety regulations made by a foreign power, under one EU flag with it's own national anthem that sees us paying £55 million a day in membership fees and other costs including continuous billions to the IMF bail out while 20,000 old people died last year due to the cold, 27,888 the year before... They are now taking steps to integrate further in political and financial terms. Anyone who has any national pride, who wants to continue to govern ourselves without a foreign power telling us what we can and can't do, who prevents us from making our own trade deals with the rest of the world would not vote for this dictatorship. Absolutely not!
Hi Redex
Good thread.
We all need each other to a certain degree,but sometimes it feels like take over bid and we have lost out identity to a certain degree.
Our laws should be subject to our own interpretation,not dictated to by outside interference, along with other social and financial issues such as immigration.
I personally think if it goes to a general vote, we may well be leaving.
Good thread.
We all need each other to a certain degree,but sometimes it feels like take over bid and we have lost out identity to a certain degree.
Our laws should be subject to our own interpretation,not dictated to by outside interference, along with other social and financial issues such as immigration.
I personally think if it goes to a general vote, we may well be leaving.
MICKEYMOST: Hi Redex
Good thread.
We all need each other to a certain degree,but sometimes it feels like take over bid and we have lost out identity to a certain degree.
Our laws should be subject to our own interpretation,not dictated to by outside interference, along with other social and financial issues such as immigration.
I personally think if it goes to a general vote, we may well be leaving.
Good thread.
We all need each other to a certain degree,but sometimes it feels like take over bid and we have lost out identity to a certain degree.
Our laws should be subject to our own interpretation,not dictated to by outside interference, along with other social and financial issues such as immigration.
I personally think if it goes to a general vote, we may well be leaving.
Yes I agree too. I have heard camerons little talk and
and it is a ploy I think to keep tories in in the next election. He will not give vote now only after next election. Sad to use such a seriouse issue for Election points. Labour no better so I reckon it will be a UKIP vote for me next time. Probably be a coalition again but hopefully with UKIP. We do need to govern ourselves no country needs same laws we must all be individual to that extent but too much coruption around a good concept. YES OUT I SAY and maybe start again now that all countries get gist of what is involved and can make it fairer. pigs might fly toonick robinson bbc political correspondent said there are a lot of if`s he questioned cameraman on that the wording will be as such that if cameraman does not get his own way it will be pointless cameraman failed to answer to his questions
I'll also be voting UKIP both in the European elections next year. They are the only voice of opposition in the EU parliament so it's important we keep that voice. Of course vote again in 2015 in the General Election. They won't win, Labour will but a few seats would give the EU sceptics a voice there too. I'm a sceptic and I want a voice.
Hugaholic: I'll also be voting UKIP both in the European elections next year. They are the only voice of opposition in the EU parliament so it's important we keep that voice. Of course vote again in 2015 in the General Election. They won't win, Labour will but a few seats would give the EU sceptics a voice there too. I'm a sceptic and I want a voice.
I have been listening to the debate back and forward all day and enjoyed the different opinions. One thing is clear, regardless of some media and polititions the us we the public (their favorite expresion for us) are interested and do know a lot about the EU as its us the public who have been suffering because of the political union not just a common market.
I can remember the first vote but was raising a family and did not take too much in, but I do remember
1- Our fishing suffered, and still does.
2- coal mining came to a standstill as we got it from eu
3- Shipbuilding was halted by oh so many years
4- farmers recieved subsidies like other eu countries to sell on level playing field. Many years down the line it was took away and we could not compete with France as they still held theirs.
Since then EU takes over some of our laws and decisions -about getting rid of despots.
No doubt you good people can give me more things not right with this union. I still have open mind to listen to all debates but no matter what polititons say from any party and for what ever reason the people I know either want meddling in our laws stopped or they want out, others just want out altogether.
I just for myself know situations should always be reviewed each different country that entered the playing fields changed.
I can remember the first vote but was raising a family and did not take too much in, but I do remember
1- Our fishing suffered, and still does.
2- coal mining came to a standstill as we got it from eu
3- Shipbuilding was halted by oh so many years
4- farmers recieved subsidies like other eu countries to sell on level playing field. Many years down the line it was took away and we could not compete with France as they still held theirs.
Since then EU takes over some of our laws and decisions -about getting rid of despots.
No doubt you good people can give me more things not right with this union. I still have open mind to listen to all debates but no matter what polititons say from any party and for what ever reason the people I know either want meddling in our laws stopped or they want out, others just want out altogether.
I just for myself know situations should always be reviewed each different country that entered the playing fields changed.
Yes fishing and farming have suffered greatly. Coal mining not so much as that was killed off by Thatcher. Around 75% of our laws in the past 10 years have come from Brussels. We were the world's 4th largest economy, now we are 6th. You could argue why that is, my opinion is that it's because we are confined by EU law to create our own trade deals with other countries. Brussels does it on our behalf. Another issue is that EU law has made it difficult for employers to get rid of people for legitimate reasons. On one hand that might be a good thing (worker protection) but it's also meant that there is so much legislation now that employers are afraid to hire new people.
Despite all the arguments for and against, the fact is this: if we stay in the EU we will have given away our rights to govern ourselves permanently, we will become part of a new country and we will be a state in that country - like the USA. Each state will have their leader and be able to govern their own local laws in the same way. The difference is that in America the people vote for their president, we won't have a say. One fact that is overlooked is that many of the politicians running the EU are former soviet communists. This is what we will have in Europe - communism. Democracy will die. If you think I'm wrong - ask yourself these questions - when did you vote for President Barroso? Did you even know his name? When are the next elections to vote him out of power?
Despite all the arguments for and against, the fact is this: if we stay in the EU we will have given away our rights to govern ourselves permanently, we will become part of a new country and we will be a state in that country - like the USA. Each state will have their leader and be able to govern their own local laws in the same way. The difference is that in America the people vote for their president, we won't have a say. One fact that is overlooked is that many of the politicians running the EU are former soviet communists. This is what we will have in Europe - communism. Democracy will die. If you think I'm wrong - ask yourself these questions - when did you vote for President Barroso? Did you even know his name? When are the next elections to vote him out of power?
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should it be put to public vote