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Feb 5, 2013 2:12 PM CST Freedom
cchances
cchancescchancesDavis, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 89 Posts
define freedom and tell where that fits this country in this day n age
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Feb 5, 2013 2:14 PM CST Freedom
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
" Freedoms just another word for nothing left to loose and nothing aint worth nothin honey if it aint free" J.J. wine
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Feb 5, 2013 2:16 PM CST Freedom
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
In response to: define freedom and tell where that fits this country in this day n age




I haven't seen to much of it.Freedom that is.


Freedom reminds me of a fantasy or a bad dream.
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Oct 19, 2013 5:12 AM CST Freedom
venusenvy: " Freedoms just another word for nothing left to loose and nothing aint worth nothin honey if it aint free" J.J.
Janis Joplin cover.
wine
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Oct 19, 2013 5:27 AM CST Freedom
steffffie
steffffiesteffffieChicago, Illinois USA8 Threads 598 Posts
cchances: define freedom and tell where that fits this country in this day n age

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Oct 19, 2013 6:30 AM CST Freedom
GUZMAN1: When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson
Amen.
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Oct 19, 2013 6:33 AM CST Freedom
GUZMAN1: When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson
Statists won't understand that!laugh

They somehow,like Winston Smith,have come to love Big Brother!
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Oct 19, 2013 7:15 AM CST Freedom
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
GUZMAN1: When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

Thomas Jefferson


In the West we've had unsurpassed liberty, more than anyone else in the world or the history of the world - men don't have to die in the wars, women are liberated from the shackles of children and at no point have we had such a panoply of choices in our lives; we're not even chained to economic reality. So why do people perceive such tyranny when it is completely absurd to suggest that we don't enjoy massive amounts of freedom that our ancestors did not? Because they never grew up.

"Kings will be tyrants by policy when subjects are rebels from principle"

Edmund Burke

It's precisely because we're a Hollywood, degenerate rebel without a cause culture that's "liberated" itself from reality that we're heading towards a nanny state. Every market we have is in chaos: the dating market, the economic market, the social market are all the same. The non-spoilt rest of the world sees us for what we are and feels nothing but contempt for our childish disorder and expectant ways.
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Oct 19, 2013 7:32 AM CST Freedom
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Obstinance_Works: In the West we've had unsurpassed liberty, more than anyone else in the world or the history of the world - men don't have to die in the wars, women are liberated from the shackles of children and at no point have we had such a panoply of choices in our lives; we're not even chained to economic reality. So why do people perceive such tyranny when it is completely absurd to suggest that we don't enjoy massive amounts of freedom that our ancestors did not? Because they never grew up.

"Kings will be tyrants by policy when subjects are rebels from principle"

Edmund Burke

It's precisely because we're a Hollywood, degenerate rebel without a cause culture that's "liberated" itself from reality that we're heading towards a nanny state
. Every market we have is in chaos: the dating market, the economic market, the social market are all the same. The non-spoilt rest of the world sees us for what we are and feels nothing but contempt for our childish disorder and expectant ways.


Remember, extreme Liberalism/Marxism promised freedom and a stateless society, but it delivered the absolute opposite - Just like our 60's style free society is delivering us into the state. The fact that even so-called right wingers today have Marxist assumptions on freedom assures me that we have already lost. Too much freedom is chaos and choas is the seed of tyranny.
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Oct 19, 2013 7:39 AM CST Freedom
free will
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Oct 19, 2013 7:49 AM CST Freedom
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Remember, extreme Liberalism/Marxism promised freedom and a stateless society, but it delivered the absolute opposite - Just like our 60's style free society is delivering us into the state. The fact that even so-called right wingers today have Marxist assumptions on freedom assures me that we have already lost. Too much freedom is chaos and choas is the seed of tyranny.


Chaos is also what happens where statists want to control everybody and don't achieve that purpose.

And to control all the activities of all the people is an impossible task.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:01 AM CST Freedom
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
venusenvy: " Freedoms just another word for nothing left to loose and nothing aint worth nothin honey if it aint free" J.J.
howdy dear,some paid for it,w/ their lives.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:21 AM CST Freedom
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
GUZMAN1: Chaos is also what happens where statists want to control everybody and don't achieve that purpose.

And to control all the activities of all the people is an impossible task.


Culture is upstream of politics!!! Chaos arises prior to the attempts to control chaos. We're NOT just a social condition of the powers that be - we create what is. Again, people who don't even consider themselves as Marxists are being Marxists; that's how confused our modern values are.

It's the typical citizens aversion to reality and/or incapacity to look after themselves that's leading to the nanny state. The immigration and flooding the country with orcs - this is creating the nanny state. The social atomisation and smashing of the traditional community and neighbourliness - this is creating the nanny state. Human beings create the government. We come first.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:28 AM CST Freedom
SoonerGal
SoonerGalSoonerGalPonca City, Oklahoma USA21 Threads 10 Polls 2,363 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Culture is upstream of politics!!! Chaos arises prior to the attempts to control chaos. We're NOT just a social condition of the powers that be - we create what is. Again, people who don't even consider themselves as Marxists are being Marxists; that's how confused our modern values are.

It's the typical citizens aversion to reality and/or incapacity to look after themselves that's leading to the nanny state. The immigration and flooding the country with orcs - this is creating the nanny state. The social atomisation and smashing of the traditional community and neighbourliness - this is creating the nanny state. Human beings create the government. We come first.



So basically your saying we need to be under a dictator because we the people can't handle freedom?!?
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Oct 19, 2013 8:29 AM CST Freedom
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
SoonerGal: So basically your saying we need to be under a dictator because we the people can't handle freedom?!?
where,do i apply?lol.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:31 AM CST Freedom
Obstinance_Works: It's the typical citizens aversion to reality and/or incapacity to look after themselves that's leading to the nanny state.

Human beings create the government. We come first.


It is all about perception and definition. There is no such thing as a typical citizen. and it is really more about your perception about whether others are averse to reality or incapable of looking after themselves. The evidence suggests that people in general are quite capable of looking after themselves and are grounded in the harsh reality of their lives to make a living, create families and alliances and form order in their society....

of course nothing we Americans can say anymore, since we can't even get our Congress to listen to the will of the people doh
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Oct 19, 2013 8:35 AM CST Freedom
Scott1812
Scott1812Scott1812Claresholm, Alberta Canada26 Threads 11 Polls 1,595 Posts
This is freedom being able to say what you want.When you want and too who ever you want to say it to.conversing peace thumbs up
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Oct 19, 2013 8:35 AM CST Freedom
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
SoonerGal: So basically your saying we need to be under a dictator because we the people can't handle freedom?!?


Britain is an elective dictatorship.

Do the British people even know what freedom is or are they slintered and confused by the constant attack on our family constructions and our traditional way of life. It is in some peoples interests to have Britain confused and divided in order to control.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:52 AM CST Freedom
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Culture is upstream of politics!!! Chaos arises prior to the attempts to control chaos. We're NOT just a social condition of the powers that be - we create what is. Again, people who don't even consider themselves as Marxists are being Marxists; that's how confused our modern values are.

It's the typical citizens aversion to reality and/or incapacity to look after themselves that's leading to the nanny state. The immigration and flooding the country with orcs - this is creating the nanny state. The social atomisation and smashing of the traditional community and neighbourliness - this is creating the nanny state. Human beings create the government. We come first.


The free choice of the Wife to no-fault divorce the Husband and sponge off benefits - more nanny state.

The free choice of Sons & Daughters to shove elderley parents into nursing homes - more nanny state.

The free choice of students to study feminist studies or humanities where the only jobs from these are government makework - more nanny state.

The free choices that lead to there being 10 lawyers for every 1 engineer so jobs in the saturated law come from regulation and debt - more nanny state.

The free choice of snobs to push pens when they should have been down a mine - more nanny state.

So you see it is the childishness, decadence and hopelessness of the citizen that creates the paternalism of the state. If the individual can't function in accordance to reality, then the state has to function for them or the state has to force them to function - Welfarism and Fascism respectively.
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Oct 19, 2013 8:59 AM CST Freedom
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Scott1812: This is freedom being able to say what you want.When you want and too who ever you want to say it to.
pursuit of happiness,etc.here/controlled by elite,for all.
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