Proofreading is a dying art (19)
revealer24: I have just got this today
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and DaughterThis one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)http://bit.ly/15zpbfy
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and DaughterThis one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)http://bit.ly/15zpbfy
So often makes you wish that in the suicide-murder events, the suicide happened before the rest.
revealer24: I have just got this today
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
I think not only is proof-reading a dying art, so is writing above grade three level. Then there is the pittiful excuse of texting that is supposed to pass as some legitimate form of written expression....
I think all that was known to be good is being killed off by the acceptance of cr*p that is continually tolerated by the masses....
Halv0: I think not only is proof-reading a dying art, so is writing above grade three level. Then there is the pittiful excuse of texting that is supposed to pass as some legitimate form of written expression....
I think all that was known to be good is being killed off by the acceptance of cr*p that is continually tolerated by the masses....
I think all that was known to be good is being killed off by the acceptance of cr*p that is continually tolerated by the masses....
I would put a lot down to the poor education system that has eventuated in Australia from all this "political correction" cra
The English taught when I was going to school included grammar. Okay, we had to put up with the likes of prose, poems, essay writings, horrible plays and books to decimate, disect, and find the real meanings behind all that stuff. And English was compulsory for everyone.
Saw a doco on telly (yep, acceptable writings) about the Oxford Dictionary. Over 600,000 acceptable words in the English language. And new ones coming in with increased usage.
There are basically 3 newspapers in the major cities. The Financial Times (FT) is the same everywhere and the other 2 are usualy denoted by their size. One takes a whole desk to sit and read it (Sydney Morning Herald in Sydney and The Age in Melbourne) and is aimed at the white-collar worker. The other is more usable on public transport and in lunch-rooms (Daily Telegraph in Sydney and The Sun in Melbourne).
Both DT & TS limit the total number of words used to the most common 1,100. SMH & TA aim a bit higher and use about 1,400 different words. The Financial Times takes the cake at nearly 2,000 different words.
A lot of my work involves writing in one form or another. It might be a letter to a farmer, it might be to a resident, it might be someone who has no education beyond the 3rd grade. Even includes State and Federal Members (most got beyond 3rd grade), seeking funding for work projects, and Parliamentary Enquiries.
I have to choose very carefully the words I use to ensure that the recipient can understand what I have written ..... not allowed to say "You are a bloody stupid idiot for buying a house in a flood-prone area. We have had a drought for more than 10 years and of course the swamp had dried out until it rained again."
Instead I have to write the cra
Basically what I have to write nearly every other week.
wash2u: I would put a lot down to the poor education system that has eventuated in Australia from all this "political correction" craap.
The English taught when I was going to school included grammar. Okay, we had to put up with the likes of prose, poems, essay writings, horrible plays and books to decimate, disect, and find the real meanings behind all that stuff. And English was compulsory for everyone.
Saw a doco on telly (yep, acceptable writings) about the Oxford Dictionary. Over 600,000 acceptable words in the English language. And new ones coming in with increased usage.
There are basically 3 newspapers in the major cities. The Financial Times (FT) is the same everywhere and the other 2 are usualy denoted by their size. One takes a whole desk to sit and read it (Sydney Morning Herald in Sydney and The Age in Melbourne) and is aimed at the white-collar worker. The other is more usable on public transport and in lunch-rooms (Daily Telegraph in Sydney and The Sun in Melbourne).
Both DT & TS limit the total number of words used to the most common 1,100. SMH & TA aim a bit higher and use about 1,400 different words. The Financial Times takes the cake at nearly 2,000 different words.
A lot of my work involves writing in one form or another. It might be a letter to a farmer, it might be to a resident, it might be someone who has no education beyond the 3rd grade. Even includes State and Federal Members (most got beyond 3rd grade), seeking funding for work projects, and Parliamentary Enquiries.
I have to choose very carefully the words I use to ensure that the recipient can understand what I have written ..... not allowed to say "You are a bloody stupid idiot for buying a house in a flood-prone area. We have had a drought for more than 10 years and of course the swamp had dried out until it rained again."
Instead I have to write the craap of "While Council does recognise the invasive storm water in your home that has occured during the recent high-intensity storm events, the underground drainage network has been designed to cope with such events. Unfortunately, the relevant Drainage Authorities responsible for the major drainage networks in your area has not undertaken the necessary maintenance and remedial works necessary to ensure that residents are not impacted during these high-intensity storm events. With this in mind, Council is seeking additional funding in future budgets to undertake necessary works to alleviate the problems our local residents are suffering due to the neglect of the Responsible Authrities." Basically what I have to write nearly every other week.
The English taught when I was going to school included grammar. Okay, we had to put up with the likes of prose, poems, essay writings, horrible plays and books to decimate, disect, and find the real meanings behind all that stuff. And English was compulsory for everyone.
Saw a doco on telly (yep, acceptable writings) about the Oxford Dictionary. Over 600,000 acceptable words in the English language. And new ones coming in with increased usage.
There are basically 3 newspapers in the major cities. The Financial Times (FT) is the same everywhere and the other 2 are usualy denoted by their size. One takes a whole desk to sit and read it (Sydney Morning Herald in Sydney and The Age in Melbourne) and is aimed at the white-collar worker. The other is more usable on public transport and in lunch-rooms (Daily Telegraph in Sydney and The Sun in Melbourne).
Both DT & TS limit the total number of words used to the most common 1,100. SMH & TA aim a bit higher and use about 1,400 different words. The Financial Times takes the cake at nearly 2,000 different words.
A lot of my work involves writing in one form or another. It might be a letter to a farmer, it might be to a resident, it might be someone who has no education beyond the 3rd grade. Even includes State and Federal Members (most got beyond 3rd grade), seeking funding for work projects, and Parliamentary Enquiries.
I have to choose very carefully the words I use to ensure that the recipient can understand what I have written ..... not allowed to say "You are a bloody stupid idiot for buying a house in a flood-prone area. We have had a drought for more than 10 years and of course the swamp had dried out until it rained again."
Instead I have to write the craap of "While Council does recognise the invasive storm water in your home that has occured during the recent high-intensity storm events, the underground drainage network has been designed to cope with such events. Unfortunately, the relevant Drainage Authorities responsible for the major drainage networks in your area has not undertaken the necessary maintenance and remedial works necessary to ensure that residents are not impacted during these high-intensity storm events. With this in mind, Council is seeking additional funding in future budgets to undertake necessary works to alleviate the problems our local residents are suffering due to the neglect of the Responsible Authrities." Basically what I have to write nearly every other week.
You should ask for a secretary Wash ??
revealer24: I have just got this today
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
Revealer I am pretty pedantic about correct English, I can't help it, it annoys the hell out of me when I see sloppy, mis-spelt words. But these days with the 'net' and sms you have to 'take a chill pill'
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
Newlife08: Revealer I am pretty pedantic about correct English, I can't help it, it annoys the hell out of me when I see sloppy, mis-spelt words. But these days with the 'net' and sms you have to 'take a chill pill'
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
I grew up in an era where Secretaries where the norm and they ensured that all correspondence was grammatically correct. And a Word Processing Department where they would "copy type." What you dictated or wrote, they would put into a document.
Now we only have Administrative Assistants who have the task of making sure that engineers get their letters out on time.
I work with many guys that know how to do their job. But they are absolutely hopeless in writing even simple responses.
Written English is a dying art. And is causing a lot of blow-outs on many contracts because what is written is not clear.
The internet has resulted in many shortcuts to get our messages across, more in the way we normally speak.
Should we tell a developer of a major retail complex that his project is "realy cool" or "we can see the benefits that this development will bring to our community"
wash2u: I would put a lot down to the poor education system that has eventuated in Australia from all this "political correction" craap.
The English taught when I was going to school included grammar. Okay, we had to put up with the likes of prose, poems, essay writings, horrible plays and books to decimate, disect, and find the real meanings behind all that stuff. And English was compulsory for everyone.
Saw a doco on telly (yep, acceptable writings) about the Oxford Dictionary. Over 600,000 acceptable words in the English language. And new ones coming in with increased usage.
There are basically 3 newspapers in the major cities. The Financial Times (FT) is the same everywhere and the other 2 are usualy denoted by their size. One takes a whole desk to sit and read it (Sydney Morning Herald in Sydney and The Age in Melbourne) and is aimed at the white-collar worker. The other is more usable on public transport and in lunch-rooms (Daily Telegraph in Sydney and The Sun in Melbourne).
Both DT & TS limit the total number of words used to the most common 1,100. SMH & TA aim a bit higher and use about 1,400 different words. The Financial Times takes the cake at nearly 2,000 different words.
A lot of my work involves writing in one form or another. It might be a letter to a farmer, it might be to a resident, it might be someone who has no education beyond the 3rd grade. Even includes State and Federal Members (most got beyond 3rd grade), seeking funding for work projects, and Parliamentary Enquiries.
I have to choose very carefully the words I use to ensure that the recipient can understand what I have written ..... not allowed to say "You are a bloody stupid idiot for buying a house in a flood-prone area. We have had a drought for more than 10 years and of course the swamp had dried out until it rained again."
Instead I have to write the craap of "While Council does recognise the invasive storm water in your home that has occured during the recent high-intensity storm events, the underground drainage network has been designed to cope with such events. Unfortunately, the relevant Drainage Authorities responsible for the major drainage networks in your area has not undertaken the necessary maintenance and remedial works necessary to ensure that residents are not impacted during these high-intensity storm events. With this in mind, Council is seeking additional funding in future budgets to undertake necessary works to alleviate the problems our local residents are suffering due to the neglect of the Responsible Authrities." Basically what I have to write nearly every other week.
The English taught when I was going to school included grammar. Okay, we had to put up with the likes of prose, poems, essay writings, horrible plays and books to decimate, disect, and find the real meanings behind all that stuff. And English was compulsory for everyone.
Saw a doco on telly (yep, acceptable writings) about the Oxford Dictionary. Over 600,000 acceptable words in the English language. And new ones coming in with increased usage.
There are basically 3 newspapers in the major cities. The Financial Times (FT) is the same everywhere and the other 2 are usualy denoted by their size. One takes a whole desk to sit and read it (Sydney Morning Herald in Sydney and The Age in Melbourne) and is aimed at the white-collar worker. The other is more usable on public transport and in lunch-rooms (Daily Telegraph in Sydney and The Sun in Melbourne).
Both DT & TS limit the total number of words used to the most common 1,100. SMH & TA aim a bit higher and use about 1,400 different words. The Financial Times takes the cake at nearly 2,000 different words.
A lot of my work involves writing in one form or another. It might be a letter to a farmer, it might be to a resident, it might be someone who has no education beyond the 3rd grade. Even includes State and Federal Members (most got beyond 3rd grade), seeking funding for work projects, and Parliamentary Enquiries.
I have to choose very carefully the words I use to ensure that the recipient can understand what I have written ..... not allowed to say "You are a bloody stupid idiot for buying a house in a flood-prone area. We have had a drought for more than 10 years and of course the swamp had dried out until it rained again."
Instead I have to write the craap of "While Council does recognise the invasive storm water in your home that has occured during the recent high-intensity storm events, the underground drainage network has been designed to cope with such events. Unfortunately, the relevant Drainage Authorities responsible for the major drainage networks in your area has not undertaken the necessary maintenance and remedial works necessary to ensure that residents are not impacted during these high-intensity storm events. With this in mind, Council is seeking additional funding in future budgets to undertake necessary works to alleviate the problems our local residents are suffering due to the neglect of the Responsible Authrities." Basically what I have to write nearly every other week.
Just a little question here? How is it that so many homes were allowed to be built on this flood prone area before a decent drainage system was thought off?
As you cant develop land unless you have council permission!
I have 2x 5000 litre stormwater drainage tanks on my little 350 metre square block for my 110mtr square house, that feed into the councils stormwater system provided, too apply with council requirements!
What you should write is the council is to blame for your home being flooded!
And the council will pay for your home to be rebuilt plus pay for your accommodation until your home is fixed! Plus any out of pocket expenses and increased insurance policy’s you may concur due to our incompetence!
Try sending that response out wash2u?
Just to add, WA has the strictest building codes in all Australia, all off the CBD is acquired floodplains to the hills, just down the road they are digging down too 30 metres to put the required drainage in for a new development, on an old swamp! Or floodplain as you call them? Why is it that we can do this but you cant?
Why don’t you just call them house boat lots! And charge them mooring fees!
Why don’t you just call them house boat lots! And charge them mooring fees!
Newlife08: Revealer I am pretty pedantic about correct English, I can't help it, it annoys the hell out of me when I see sloppy, mis-spelt words. But these days with the 'net' and sms you have to 'take a chill pill'
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
Sorry I have been guilty of that
Ill try harder miss Newlife teacher 
can I be excused now Newlife08: Revealer I am pretty pedantic about correct English, I can't help it, it annoys the hell out of me when I see sloppy, mis-spelt words. But these days with the 'net' and sms you have to 'take a chill pill'
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
But I do get even more annoyed if I see it in a newspaper or hear a newsreader say something that is just not right?
I think it is a generally accepted unspoken rule that it is rude to correct a spelling or grammar error on the net?
I am not sure what the unspoken rule is. In chats I often mistype words, not intentionally, even in forums and by the time I notice I cannot re-edit my posts. At least facebook lets you do that.
curly28: Sorry I have been guilty of that Ill try harder miss Newlife teacher can I be excused now
Only if you bring a note from your mum Curly!I have a friend who constantly gets her sayings mixed up like "Catch 21" instead of Catch 22 and "I was behind the 9 ball" instead of 8 ball and I just have to tell her she is not making sense. She takes it all on board luckily as she knows me well, a lot of people might tell me to errrrm Shut the hell up!
revealer24: I am not sure what the unspoken rule is. In chats I often mistype words, not intentionally, even in forums and by the time I notice I cannot re-edit my posts. At least facebook lets you do that.
Hi revealer
don't know where I heard about the 'unwritten rule' about not correcting or commenting on other people's spelling/grammar mistakes it was years ago on a Forum that someone else made a comment about his poor English and he got quite stroppy and I guess in the scheme of things it might be a case of what you are saying not how you say it?I would only comment if a word changed the whole meaning of something>?? It's all good.
I definately need to proof read...
I messed up badly counting the entries on the Inters..
OUCH...
I messed up badly counting the entries on the Inters..
OUCH...
Blizzard14u: Just to add, WA has the strictest building codes in all Australia, all off the CBD is acquired floodplains to the hills, just down the road they are digging down too 30 metres to put the required drainage in for a new development, on an old swamp! Or floodplain as you call them? Why is it that we can do this but you cant?
Why don’t you just call them house boat lots! And charge them mooring fees!
Why don’t you just call them house boat lots! And charge them mooring fees!
All States have very strict Building Codes. The trouble is with the developers who submit plans saying that the drainage is adequate. Council engineers then look at the plans and the developer's designers have "Certified" that they "have done the calculations to the appropriate standards and this will work." Unless the Council has the resources for someone to completely redo all the calculations (and most Councils do not have specialists drainage engineers anymore because of resourcing downsizing), they have to accept the submitted plans unless there is an obvious mistake.
When I first went into Local Govt, I did surveying for 2 years, then 2 years of road & drainage designs, 2 years of traffic engineering, then another 2 years of road & drainage design (even teaching drainage design), then back to 1 year of traffic engineering. Changes in the Local Govt Act meant that there are no longer rotations with Councils and people got "stuck" in one field, and I was stuck in "traffic." Net result, I spent the next 20+ years specialising in traffic engineering.
These days, people come out of uni and get a job. They end up just doing that part of engineering and learn nothing else and get stuck in that area until they jump to management level when they have to rethink a bit, but usually rely on the "specialists" in the teams.
Smaller Council do not have the privilege of employing many specialists for every aspect of engineering, they really need "generalists" who have broad experience.
My team is an investigative unit but also do all the funding applications and reporting for engineering and building projects. We look at the problems arising and propose solutions to the problems. If it is traffic and road engineering related, I can give an answer fairly quickly. If it is drainage, I can see what the problem is but, after being so long out of that field, I do not have the luxury of relearning what I had done before.
That is why I have "staff." Unfortunately, the staff I had was a problem. One did not have a clue, let alone being able to write a response without me rewriting it in English, while the other was limited to purely road safety -- both gone in the last 6 months.
I also deal with the legacy of my predecessors who were quite good at dealing with issues in a small rural Council. Until amalgamation of Councils when they got a bit larger. They struggled through with a bigger workload, and then retired as soon as the pressure got too much and they just walked out leaving problems to those that followed.
Then we have the courts and tribunals to deal with. And small Councils do not have the financial resources to argue every dot point with developers in court. A developer submits plans and his designer says that they drainage design will work. Council can see it would only if the rainfall is a sprinkle.
And then needs a Council engineer to get up in Court and say "I have been a Drainage Engineer specialist for the last 3 years and it will not work because....." The developer's design engineer says "I have been doing drainage designs for the last 30 years and it will work. My calculations prove it"
Guess who has to explain to the residents why they are knee-deep in water in their loungeroom.
revealer24: I have just got this today
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)
Six munce ugo, I cudn't evun spell edumucator. And now I are one. I got a degree saying so......
Halv0: Six munce ugo, I cudn't evun spell edumucator. And now I are one. I got a degree saying so......
eckscatley the hole pount
Funny...
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- Man Kills Self Before Shooting Wife and Daughter
This one I caught in the SGV Tribune the other day and called the Editorial Room and asked who wrote this.
It took two or three readings before the editor realized that what he was reading was impossible!!!
They put in a correction the next day. I just couldn't help but send this along. Too funny…
- Something Went Wrong in Jet Crash, Expert Says
No kidding, really? Ya think?
Read the rest here :)