tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
EU referendum: cabinet crisis for David Cameron as ministers break ranks
Michael Gove and Philip Hammond say they would vote to leave European Union
David Cameron is struggling to maintain Tory discipline over Europe after cabinet loyalists Michael Gove and Philip Hammond said on Sunday they would vote to leave the European Union if a referendum were to be held now.
Gove, the education minister, confirmed for the first time that he believes that leaving the EU would have "certain advantages", while Hammond, the defence secretary, later said he too would vote to leave if he was asked to endorse the EU "exactly as it is today".
The timing of their comments will cause consternation for the prime minister as he attends talks with Barack Obama in the White House, where he will press for an EU-US trade deal that he claims would bring £10bn of annual benefits to Britain.
The remarks, which follow similar calls by Lord Lawson and Michael Portillo last week for Britain to leave Europe, are particularly significant because they are the first cabinet ministers to say they would vote to quit if an immediate referendum were held
tomcatwarne: EU referendum: cabinet crisis for David Cameron as ministers break ranks
Michael Gove and Philip Hammond say they would vote to leave European Union
David Cameron is struggling to maintain Tory discipline over Europe after cabinet loyalists Michael Gove and Philip Hammond said on Sunday they would vote to leave the European Union if a referendum were to be held now.
Gove, the education minister, confirmed for the first time that he believes that leaving the EU would have "certain advantages", while Hammond, the defence secretary, later said he too would vote to leave if he was asked to endorse the EU "exactly as it is today".
The timing of their comments will cause consternation for the prime minister as he attends talks with Barack Obama in the White House, where he will press for an EU-US trade deal that he claims would bring £10bn of annual benefits to Britain.
The remarks, which follow similar calls by Lord Lawson and Michael Portillo last week for Britain to leave Europe, are particularly significant because they are the first cabinet ministers to say they would vote to quit if an immediate referendum were held
I think the USA is ok with England leaving the EU. Obama will probably approve that move on the spot. Actually, anything good for the EU is ok with most Americans.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
galrads: my CS profile says all that? government doesn't pay my pension. My employer contributed into my retirement account biweekly as I earned a living helping to protect air quality in the state of Ohio. Please explain what your ridiculing what's left of my old self esteem got to do with England wanting to get out of the EU? It's really up to president Obama.
Your old self esteem, you poor sod.
You take every opportunity to ridicule England and our culture. I am English and a royalist, they may not be perfect but they are ours. If you ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and beliefs, what do you expect.
You are a bigot, and a stupid one at that.
I'm glad you got a salary for looking after fresh air. They said the government would tax it one day
You take every opportunity to ridicule England and our culture. I am English and a royalist, they may not be perfect but they are ours. If you ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and beliefs, what do you expect.
You are a bigot, and a stupid one at that.
I'm glad you got a salary for looking after fresh air. They said the government would tax it one day
True, I do attempt to think and speak of England in good humor, which you obviously haven't appreciated. However, on CS, You have a tendency to believe and speak of England as if it is better than most other nations.
and aussie mutton and dairy products like butter and cheese that tomcatwarne was likely weaned on... America bailed out the EU soon after its formation again later then the EU bailed out the USA, whether the POME go or stay probably Bank Scotland will cop the blame, just ask Iceland and the Irish they'll probably tell you Bank Scotland's derivatives were conceived in America so lets blame Regan and the Fed Reserve, might as well
In the past the "mountain EU butter" was higher than Mount Everest.Why importing non EU one then?????
robplum: and aussie mutton and dairy products like butter and cheese that tomcatwarne was likely weaned on... America bailed out the EU soon after its formation again later then the EU bailed out the USA, whether the POME go or stay probably Bank Scotland will cop the blame, just ask Iceland and the Irish they'll probably tell you Bank Scotland's derivatives were conceived in America so lets blame Regan and the Fed Reserve, might as well
chris27292729: In the past the "mountain EU butter" was higher than Mount Everest.Why importing non EU one then?????
New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
robplum: New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
And whats more we had food rationing here well into the '50's so we were able to feed England .
yeah, i can remember in the 1960's people couldn't buy a new car unless they generated enough foreign exchange to qualify all while the POME were testing Nuclear bombs and showering all of Brisbane with radiation
But you answering my previous post,the EU supporting its own farmers first.If the EU is self sufficient producing its own Lamb and butter,why then importing.???? Its like saying to Aussies and to Kiwis,well no more ,find new markets.
epirb: The problem of over supply was the art of generosity of the EEC member Govt's giving their tax payers money to farmers to queer the market .
chris27292729: But you answering my previous post,the EU supporting its own farmers first.If the EU is self sufficient producing its own Lamb and butter,why then importing.???? Its like saying to Aussies and to Kiwis,well no more ,find new markets.
They did tell us in a rough way to find new markets , only problem was they were not around at the time . So we stopped buying new Land Rovers and the like while EEC built mountains of butter , beef , lakes of wine and olive oil at your tax payers cost . Bad buzz all the way around .
Oh well,it was right then to follow the triplex "God,King and Country",its real face,appeared after the war,for the easilly believers in the fallacy of "God,King and Country".JMO
robplum: New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
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Michael Gove and Philip Hammond say they would vote to leave European Union
David Cameron is struggling to maintain Tory discipline over Europe after cabinet loyalists Michael Gove and Philip Hammond said on Sunday they would vote to leave the European Union if a referendum were to be held now.
Gove, the education minister, confirmed for the first time that he believes that leaving the EU would have "certain advantages", while Hammond, the defence secretary, later said he too would vote to leave if he was asked to endorse the EU "exactly as it is today".
The timing of their comments will cause consternation for the prime minister as he attends talks with Barack Obama in the White House, where he will press for an EU-US trade deal that he claims would bring £10bn of annual benefits to Britain.
The remarks, which follow similar calls by Lord Lawson and Michael Portillo last week for Britain to leave Europe, are particularly significant because they are the first cabinet ministers to say they would vote to quit if an immediate referendum were held