UK ponders dumping Europe. ( Archived) (52)

May 12, 2013 11:07 PM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
EU referendum: cabinet crisis for David Cameron as ministers break ranks

Michael Gove and Philip Hammond say they would vote to leave European Union

David Cameron is struggling to maintain Tory discipline over Europe after cabinet loyalists Michael Gove and Philip Hammond said on Sunday they would vote to leave the European Union if a referendum were to be held now.

Gove, the education minister, confirmed for the first time that he believes that leaving the EU would have "certain advantages", while Hammond, the defence secretary, later said he too would vote to leave if he was asked to endorse the EU "exactly as it is today".

The timing of their comments will cause consternation for the prime minister as he attends talks with Barack Obama in the White House, where he will press for an EU-US trade deal that he claims would bring £10bn of annual benefits to Britain.

The remarks, which follow similar calls by Lord Lawson and Michael Portillo last week for Britain to leave Europe, are particularly significant because they are the first cabinet ministers to say they would vote to quit if an immediate referendum were held
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May 12, 2013 11:17 PM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatwarne: EU referendum: cabinet crisis for David Cameron as ministers break ranks

Michael Gove and Philip Hammond say they would vote to leave European Union

David Cameron is struggling to maintain Tory discipline over Europe after cabinet loyalists Michael Gove and Philip Hammond said on Sunday they would vote to leave the European Union if a referendum were to be held now.

Gove, the education minister, confirmed for the first time that he believes that leaving the EU would have "certain advantages", while Hammond, the defence secretary, later said he too would vote to leave if he was asked to endorse the EU "exactly as it is today".

The timing of their comments will cause consternation for the prime minister as he attends talks with Barack Obama in the White House, where he will press for an EU-US trade deal that he claims would bring £10bn of annual benefits to Britain.

The remarks, which follow similar calls by Lord Lawson and Michael Portillo last week for Britain to leave Europe, are particularly significant because they are the first cabinet ministers to say they would vote to quit if an immediate referendum were held


I think the USA is ok with England leaving the EU. Obama will probably approve that move on the spot. Actually, anything good for the EU is ok with most Americans.

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May 12, 2013 11:51 PM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
galrads: my CS profile says all that? government doesn't pay my pension. My employer contributed into my retirement account biweekly as I earned a living helping to protect air quality in the state of Ohio. Please explain what your ridiculing what's left of my old self esteem got to do with England wanting to get out of the EU? It's really up to president Obama.


Your old self esteem, you poor sod.

You take every opportunity to ridicule England and our culture. I am English and a royalist, they may not be perfect but they are ours.
If you ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and beliefs, what do you expect.

You are a bigot, and a stupid one at that.

I'm glad you got a salary for looking after fresh air.
They said the government would tax it one day
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May 13, 2013 12:07 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatwarne: Your old self esteem, you poor sod.

You take every opportunity to ridicule England and our culture. I am English and a royalist, they may not be perfect but they are ours.
If you ride roughshod over other peoples cultures and beliefs, what do you expect.

You are a bigot, and a stupid one at that.

I'm glad you got a salary for looking after fresh air.
They said the government would tax it one day


True, I do attempt to think and speak of England in good humor, which you obviously haven't appreciated. However, on CS, You have a tendency to believe and speak of England as if it is better than most other nations.
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May 13, 2013 12:40 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
The fin never stops on CS...popcorn
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May 13, 2013 12:40 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
It seems I am complicit in hijacking my own thread,


enough of this buffoon, back to reality grin
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May 13, 2013 12:44 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Boban1: The fin never stops on CS...

The I and the U are definitely too close on my keyboard
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May 13, 2013 12:52 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Boban1: The I and the U are definitely too close on my keyboard
grin grin grin grin Oh, I took it as a compliment.
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May 13, 2013 3:21 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
Guess they are having IBS in Berlin,Brussels and Paris by now!laugh
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May 13, 2013 3:54 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
De Gaulle was right,"Keep them out of Europe" as soon they are in, "they will wreck the boat", Prophetic words.
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May 13, 2013 4:07 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
chris27292729: De Gaulle was right,"Keep them out of Europe" as soon they are in, "they will wreck the boat", Prophetic words.
And the next time the Germans want to take over France we shall cheer them on !!!!!
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May 13, 2013 4:12 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
and aussie mutton and dairy products like butter and cheese that tomcatwarne was likely weaned on...scold
America bailed out the EU soon after its formation again later then the EU bailed out the USA, whether the POME go or stay probably Bank Scotland will cop the blame, just ask Iceland and the Irish they'll probably tell you Bank Scotland's derivatives were conceived in America so lets blame Regan and the Fed Reserve, might as wellprofessor laugh
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May 13, 2013 4:27 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
In the past the "mountain EU butter" was higher than Mount Everest.Why importing non EU one then?????laugh
robplum: and aussie mutton and dairy products like butter and cheese that tomcatwarne was likely weaned on...
America bailed out the EU soon after its formation again later then the EU bailed out the USA, whether the POME go or stay probably Bank Scotland will cop the blame, just ask Iceland and the Irish they'll probably tell you Bank Scotland's derivatives were conceived in America so lets blame Regan and the Fed Reserve, might as well
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May 13, 2013 4:32 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
chris27292729: Isn't the obvious????? Consuming first EU lamb,before start importing yours.-
The problem of over supply was the art of generosity of the EEC member Govt's giving their tax payers money to farmers to queer the market .
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May 13, 2013 4:53 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
chris27292729: In the past the "mountain EU butter" was higher than Mount Everest.Why importing non EU one then?????

New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
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May 13, 2013 5:15 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
robplum: New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
And whats more we had food rationing here well into the '50's so we were able to feed England .
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May 13, 2013 5:23 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
yeah, i can remember in the 1960's people couldn't buy a new car unless they generated enough foreign exchange to qualify all while the POME were testing Nuclear bombs and showering all of Brisbane with radiation
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May 13, 2013 5:52 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
But you answering my previous post,the EU supporting its own farmers first.If the EU is self sufficient producing its own Lamb and butter,why then importing.???? Its like saying to Aussies and to Kiwis,well no more ,find new markets.dunno
epirb: The problem of over supply was the art of generosity of the EEC member Govt's giving their tax payers money to farmers to queer the market .
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May 13, 2013 6:01 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
chris27292729: But you answering my previous post,the EU supporting its own farmers first.If the EU is self sufficient producing its own Lamb and butter,why then importing.???? Its like saying to Aussies and to Kiwis,well no more ,find new markets.
They did tell us in a rough way to find new markets , only problem was they were not around at the time . So we stopped buying new Land Rovers and the like while EEC built mountains of butter , beef , lakes of wine and olive oil at your tax payers cost . Bad buzz all the way around .
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May 13, 2013 6:01 AM CST UK ponders dumping Europe.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Oh well,it was right then to follow the triplex "God,King and Country",its real face,appeared after the war,for the easilly believers in the fallacy of "God,King and Country".JMO
robplum: New Zealand were forefront in developing refrigeration in ships to supply Britain with, Mutton, Lamb, Butter and Cheese soon after WW2, my Old man and all his brothers wandered around Crete for a very short time, then ended up kicking back in Italy, for non existent god, king and country
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