Family ( Archived) (12)

May 30, 2013 8:45 PM CST Family
lalasierra
lalasierralalasierralos angeles, California USA147 Threads 67 Polls 935 Posts
Some people just don't get along with their family, so if this is the case, are you obligated to spend time with them/show up to family functions?
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 9:11 PM CST Family
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
lalasierra: Some people just don't get along with their family, so if this is the case, are you obligated to spend time with them/show up to family functions?


no,... why? just for charm.. or because it is "politically" correct?...

but there is no need to be unpleasant or rude..we have to respect others feelings also.. just a basic dose of "ignore" will be fine.

I dont mind silence in a conversation ..
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 9:23 PM CST Family
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
lalasierra: Some people just don't get along with their family, so if this is the case, are you obligated to spend time with them/show up to family functions?

Surely that would depend upon why you don't get along and which family member(s)?

If your parents treated you with the utmost care and sincerity, but had less social status than yourself, it would seem churlish to reject their needs on the basis of snobbery.

But if your parents beat you with a big stick and stubbed cigarettes out on you, I wouldn't have said it would be healthy to feel obligated to socialise with them.

A second cousin twice removed and then put back again who pulls spiders' legs off with glee might not be owed much, either.

Is there any such thing as 'just not getting along'?
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 9:34 PM CST Family
Leo_7
Leo_7Leo_7Baku, Azerbaijan87 Threads 16 Polls 2,514 Posts
Bogart_1960: no,... why? just for charm.. or because it is "politically" correct?...

but there is no need to be unpleasant or rude..we have to respect others feelings also.. just a basic dose of "ignore" will be fine.

I dont mind silence in a conversation ..
agreebeer
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 9:36 PM CST Family
lalasierra: Some people just don't get along with their family, so if this is the case, are you obligated to spend time with them/show up to family functions?


Don't you have a mind of your own laugh rolling on the floor laughing
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 9:38 PM CST Family
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
jac379: Surely that would depend upon why you don't get along and which family member(s)?

If your parents treated you with the utmost care and sincerity, but had less social status than yourself, it would seem churlish to reject their needs on the basis of snobbery.

But if your parents beat you with a big stick and stubbed cigarettes out on you, I wouldn't have said it would be healthy to feel obligated to socialise with them.

A second cousin twice removed and then put back again who pulls spiders' legs off with glee might not be owed much, either.

Is there any such thing as 'just not getting along'?


I am kind of confused here.. I am confused because you are mixing two concepts: social (punishment/status) vs values…

would you elaborate your comment?
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 10:39 PM CST Family
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Bogart_1960: ok... and how to they tie to your comment "Is there any such thing as 'just not getting along'?"... or maybe i am too "jetlag" to grasp it...

from Dickens story, definitely does not fit.. the second is a moral issue , and the third i understood that..

"just not getting along",: first lets define what does it means for you..

I'm saying that families who don't get along, don't get along for a reason, or reasons.

Not getting along is not a random thing, ergo one's obligation to family is tempered by those reasons.

We cannot judge if obligation to family is right, or wrong, in a random manner as the Lala set the question. We must qualify our judgement with knowledge of the situation, just as with any loyalty.

If the question was asked, should someone be committed to their marriage, we would want to qualify that with the circumstances. We would not expect to someone to stay committed to a marriage where their partner had affairs and/or was violent towards them, nor would we expect forgetting to put the toothpaste cap back on be reasonable grounds for divorce.

I don't think commitment, or obligation to family stands on its own as a concept very well, unless we're prepared to disregard constructive and destructive elements which could be to our own, or other's detriment.
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 10:54 PM CST Family
popey
popeypopeymartinsville, Indiana USA4 Threads 1 Polls 174 Posts
hi lalasierra how are you!!! when i was a kid i remember familys all ways getting to gether even if they didn't allways get along out of respect and kinship i remember it being some of the best times of my life i really mess it,,, but society has changed it's all about individualism now,,, and to heck with every one else,,, just my thoughts
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 11:04 PM CST Family
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
jac379: I'm saying that families who don't get along, don't get along for a reason, or reasons.

Not getting along is not a random thing, ergo one's obligation to family is tempered by those reasons.

We cannot judge if obligation to family is right, or wrong, in a random manner as the Lala set the question. We must qualify our judgement with knowledge of the situation, just as with any loyalty.

If the question was asked, should someone be committed to their marriage, we would want to qualify that with the circumstances. We would not expect to someone to stay committed to a marriage where their partner had affairs and/or was violent towards them, nor would we expect forgetting to put the toothpaste cap back on be reasonable grounds for divorce.

I don't think commitment, or obligation to family stands on its own as a concept very well, unless we're prepared to disregard constructive and destructive elements which could be to our own, or other's detriment.


Well, we still have not define what is "just not getting along". I would like you to define, so i can contextualize in your comments.

For me it is easy: I define when someone´s action, words, or judgment affects my believes in a format that I can not accept. so it has to be something very strong, personal (emotional).

Lala statement might be vagues; I do understand your point…is is imprecise, and it does allow to cover vast areas..
the question can be analysed based in 3 point:

1-“don't get along with their family” ;
2-family functions.;
3- spend time.

I believe it is very clear. One it is an emotional, another is social, and also behavioral situation.

the marriage does not seems to fit, although i can understand the analogy. Both are different, and carries different type of weight/rights/obligations.
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 11:35 PM CST Family
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Bogart_1960: Well, we still have not define what is "just not getting along". I would like you to define, so i can contextualize in your comments.

For me it is easy: I define when someone´s action, words, or judgment affects my believes in a format that I can not accept. so it has to be something very strong, personal (emotional).

Lala statement might be vagues; I do understand your point…is is imprecise, and it does allow to cover vast areas..
the question can be analysed based in 3 point:

1-“don't get along with their family” ;
2-family functions.;
3- spend time.

I believe it is very clear. One it is an emotional, another is social, and also behavioral situation.

the marriage does not seems to fit, although i can understand the analogy. Both are different, and carries different type of weight/rights/obligations.

Surely the definition of 'not getting along' is tied in with the reasons and is an individual definition? To assume one size fits all does not recognise the individuality of families and the people within them.

That's why I asked if there was any such thing as 'just not getting along'. Familial conflict is contextual and interactive.

Do you not think marriage constitutes family?

Please go on with your emotional, social and behavioural distinctions and their impact upon familial obligation. I'm curious as to where your going with this.

(Although I'm getting a bit past being able to think clearly, so may have to come back to this.)
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 30, 2013 11:46 PM CST Family
Bogart_1960
Bogart_1960Bogart_1960Ask me !, Provence-Alpes-Cote d'Azur France36 Threads 1 Polls 10,012 Posts
jac379: Surely the definition of 'not getting along' is tied in with the reasons and is an individual definition? To assume one size fits all does not recognise the individuality of families and the people within them.

That's why I asked if there was any such thing as 'just not getting along'. Familial conflict is contextual and interactive.

Do you not think marriage constitutes family?

Please go on with your emotional, social and behavioural distinctions and their impact upon familial obligation. I'm curious as to where your going with this.

(Although I'm getting a bit past being able to think clearly, so may have to come back to this.)


I am very curious about your interpretation... but as you say, we are both "past being able to think clear". I will get back on this, if you like, tomorrow (later today)

But by the way, marriage and family - totally different issue in this context it. also, like your style: you change my question to a question... interesting indeed !!wine
------ This thread is Archived ------
May 31, 2013 12:20 AM CST Family
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Bogart_1960: I am very curious about your interpretation... but as you say, we are both "past being able to think clear". I will get back on this, if you like, tomorrow (later today)

But by the way, marriage and family - totally different issue in this context it. also, like your style: you change my question to a question... interesting indeed !!

Didn't you do that, too?

I asked if there was any such thing as 'just not getting along' and you asked me to define it.

How can I define something when I don't know that it exists, or have a different concept to you?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Post Comment - Post a comment on this Forum Thread

This Thread is Archived

This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.

« Go back to All Threads
Message #318

Stats for this Thread

902 Views
11 Comments
by lalasierra (147 Threads)
Created: May 2013
Last Viewed: Apr 12
Last Commented: May 2013

Share this Thread

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here