tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Human beings have stopped evolving and should be persuaded not to have large families, Sir David Attenborough has said. The TV naturalist, 87, said he was not optimistic about the future and "things are going to get worse".
He said he did not believe humans would become extinct, but told the Radio Times: "I think that we've stopped evolving. "Because if natural selection, as proposed by Darwin, is the main mechanism of evolution - there may be other things, but it does look as though that's the case - then we've stopped natural selection. "We stopped natural selection as soon as we started being able to rear 95% - 99% of our babies that are born.
"We are the only species to have put a halt to natural selection, of its own free will, as it were." The broadcaster said of the future: "I don't think we are going to become extinct. "We're very clever and extremely resourceful - and we will find ways of preserving ourselves, of that I'm sure. But whether our lives will be as rich as they are now is another question."
Speaking about the one-child policy in China, Sir David said: "It's the degree to which it has been enforced which is terrible, and there's no question it's produced all kinds of personal tragedies. There's no question about that.
"On the other hand, the Chinese themselves recognise that had they not done so there would be several million more mouths in the world today than there are now.
"If you were able to persuade people that it is irresponsible to have large families in this day and age, and if material wealth and material conditions are such that people value their materialistic life and don’t suffer as a consequence, then that's all to the good."
The broadcaster, who is presenting Rise Of Animals, a two-part documentary on the ascent of man on BBC2, had a pacemaker fitted in June, but described the operation as "no big deal". "When you're in your 80s, your heart gives you a funny five minutes every now and again and they won't insure you unless you have a cardiologist to say that you can go on a long-haul flight. So I had to have the pacemaker," he said.
The wildlife star, who previously had a knee replaced, said of the possibility of retiring: "I don't think so. If you've got a motor car and its brakes fail, and you have the capacity to replace them, you replace them. And we have the capacity to replace knees, which is wonderful."
Ever since we stepped down from the trees and began to mould nature towards our own ends then we were stepping outside of natural selection. We evolve through civilisation(dysgenics and eugenics whether conscious of these or not); a manmade surivival of the fittest. Or, in the case of our Western civilisation of debt, makework, non-judgementalism and welfare; survival of the unfittest.
Dawkin's small family advice is itself an of example civilisational selection process and the survival of the unfittest. The pro-civilisation advice would be to have large families of the best and brightest and for the not so spectacular to breed less, but both nationally and globally those that(generally)breed the most are the least educated, intelligent and talented.
Obstinance_Works: Ever since we stepped down from the trees and began to mould nature towards our own ends then we were stepping outside of natural selection. We evolve through civilisation(dysgenics and eugenics whether conscious of these or not); a manmade surivival of the fittest. Or, in the case of our Western civilisation of debt, makework, non-judgementalism and welfare; survival of the unfittest.
Dawkin's small family advice is itself an of example civilisational selection process and the survival of the unfittest. The pro-civilisation advice would be to have large families of the best and brightest and for the not so spectacular to breed less, but both nationally and globally those that(generally)breed the most are the least educated, intelligent and talented.
What?.. I mean Attenborough. Dawkin's has a different and perhaps even more perverse view on the whole overpopulation and having kids issue.
Obstinance_Works: Ever since we stepped down from the trees and began to mould nature towards our own ends then we were stepping outside of natural selection. We evolve through civilisation(dysgenics and eugenics whether conscious of these or not); a manmade surivival of the fittest. Or, in the case of our Western civilisation of debt, makework, non-judgementalism and welfare; survival of the unfittest.
Dawkin's small family advice is itself an of example civilisational selection process and the survival of the unfittest. The pro-civilisation advice would be to have large families of the best and brightest and for the not so spectacular to breed less, but both nationally and globally those that(generally)breed the most are the least educated, intelligent and talented.
Dysgenics: The biological study of the factors producing degeneration in offspring, especially of a particular race or species.
DedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia5,492 posts
tomcatwarne: I think David Attenborough is a credible expert in this area.
\ Is it the same David Attenborough who said that Humans are a plague on Earth,How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth? And you don`t see the globalist agenda in his work???
I used to wonder about that.... are all these chavs and chavettes having loads of under performing children really less intelligent? Or was it just environmental factors skewing it?
Dedovix: \ Is it the same David Attenborough who said that Humans are a plague on Earth,How Many People Can Live on Planet Earth? And you don`t see the globalist agenda in his work???
From his point of view we are I guess. He's been doing Wildlife programs for many decades and he has often visited the same places decades after decades, and he's seen the biosphere been destroyed. So I guess he's correct from that point of view.
What I always like to suggest to these folk is that if they consider humans a plague would they not be so moved as to relieve Planet Earth of their own existence first to ease the plague? Yeah... they never do, though.
MADDOG69: I used to wonder about that.... are all these chavs and chavettes having loads of under performing children really less intelligent? Or was it just environmental factors skewing it?
Many of them are less intelligent, but I don't think this is why they're underperforming. Imo, it's more the case of having an economy that doesn't reward masculine and physical traits in the way that it once did. The more balanced economy of the future with manufacturing and labour-intensive agriculture would place the chavs at the advantage and the effete lower-middle at the disadvantage.
It's the environment that's making us all appear more intelligent than we really are. Our education has improved as our genetic quality has fallen away(the educated fool).
DedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia5,492 posts
MADDOG69: From his point of view we are I guess. He's been doing Wildlife programs for many decades and he has often visited the same places decades after decades, and he's seen the biosphere been destroyed. So I guess he's correct from that point of view.
What I always like to suggest to these folk is that if they consider humans a plague would they not be so moved as to relieve Planet Earth of their own existence first to ease the plague? Yeah... they never do, though.
Evolution and evolving is a slow process ,its not something that happens over night .Take for example records of how tall we`ve been ( on average ) back in the 70`s and now ,we live longer then we used to, our brain capacity is bigger tho they are trying to slow us down with junk food, lousy education and vaccines.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Dedovix: Evolution and evolving is a slow process ,its not something that happens over night .Take for example records of how tall we`ve been ( on average ) back in the 70`s and now ,we live longer then we used to, our brain capacity is bigger tho they are trying to slow us down with junk food, lousy education and vaccines.
You might want to read about evolutionary conceptions and genes and memes as referred to in my post #10
Obstinance_Works: Many of them are less intelligent, but I don't think this is why they're underperforming. Imo, it's more the case of having an economy that doesn't reward masculine and physical traits in the way that it once did. The more balanced economy of the future with manufacturing and labour-intensive agriculture would place the chavs at the advantage and the effete lower-middle at the disadvantage.
It's the environment that's making us all appear more intelligent than we really are. Our education has improved as our genetic quality has fallen away(the educated fool).
Yeah, I think our genome is expansive enough that Einsteins can come from any societal strata.
I read the opposite, over a longer time period. Our brains are smaller than some of our prehistoric ancestors. Some have suggested that our brains are becoming more specialised over the aeons, but with a cost to all other mental abilities. So for example engineering types will become even better engineering types... but fail even harder at... music or languages for example.
DedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia5,492 posts
tomcatwarne: You might want to read about evolutionary conceptions and genes and memes as referred to in my post #10
Oh this may come as a surprise I did read it
It should not surprise us then that during the last ten thousand years, humans have almost not changed on the genetic level
I kinda doubt in the accuracy of that statement same as in Darwin's theory of evolution I red an article about our gen pool(we have been created by a advanced civilization, theory) being of apes and pigs I kinda doubt in that too
MADDOG69: Yeah, I think our genome is expansive enough that Einsteins can come from any societal strata.
Most certainly, some of the best there ever was came from conditions of complete poverty. Genetic intelligence comes with a randomness that other IQ's do not precisely because it's inborn and not a result of any kind of social privilege.
Did you know that the IQ gains once attributed to education are now being reversed? Since the 1980's(the decade the hippies/baby-boomers matured and began to gain/seize control of our institutions)education has been yielding an increasingly dumb generation of students.
human evolve everyday.we just dont feel that.but every new experience and information changes us and adds more useful data in our brain along taking away useless datas..its inposible to stop the evolution.
DedovixBig Place, Central Serbia Serbia5,492 posts
MADDOG69: I read the opposite, over a longer time period. Our brains are smaller than some of our prehistoric ancestors. Some have suggested that our brains are becoming more specialised over the aeons, but with a cost to all other mental abilities. So for example engineering types will become even better engineering types... but fail even harder at... music or languages for example.
Yes our brain is smaller in weight and volume compared to neanderthals but the capacity ( my thinking process is on Serbian language so when I translate them in to English,some words lose on the meaning )capacity as performances, are bigger
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The TV naturalist, 87, said he was not optimistic about the future and "things are going to get worse".
He said he did not believe humans would become extinct, but told the Radio Times: "I think that we've stopped evolving.
"Because if natural selection, as proposed by Darwin, is the main mechanism of evolution - there may be other things, but it does look as though that's the case - then we've stopped natural selection.
"We stopped natural selection as soon as we started being able to rear 95% - 99% of our babies that are born.
"We are the only species to have put a halt to natural selection, of its own free will, as it were."
The broadcaster said of the future: "I don't think we are going to become extinct.
"We're very clever and extremely resourceful - and we will find ways of preserving ourselves, of that I'm sure. But whether our lives will be as rich as they are now is another question."
Speaking about the one-child policy in China, Sir David said: "It's the degree to which it has been enforced which is terrible, and there's no question it's produced all kinds of personal tragedies. There's no question about that.
"On the other hand, the Chinese themselves recognise that had they not done so there would be several million more mouths in the world today than there are now.
"If you were able to persuade people that it is irresponsible to have large families in this day and age, and if material wealth and material conditions are such that people value their materialistic life and don’t suffer as a consequence, then that's all to the good."
The broadcaster, who is presenting Rise Of Animals, a two-part documentary on the ascent of man on BBC2, had a pacemaker fitted in June, but described the operation as "no big deal".
"When you're in your 80s, your heart gives you a funny five minutes every now and again and they won't insure you unless you have a cardiologist to say that you can go on a long-haul flight. So I had to have the pacemaker," he said.
The wildlife star, who previously had a knee replaced, said of the possibility of retiring: "I don't think so. If you've got a motor car and its brakes fail, and you have the capacity to replace them, you replace them. And we have the capacity to replace knees, which is wonderful."