Anti eviction movement in Ireland (23)

Sep 26, 2013 11:38 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
I see in the papers recently there have been a number of campaigns carried out by anti eviction movements on behalf on individuals who have been issued with repossession orders by their lender.

I would like to ask the question with the numbers of evictions historically low by international standards do the various anti eviction movements expect people to be allowed live in their homes for free.

Also how many people will have write downs, how much will it cost and who will pick up the tab?
Sep 26, 2013 12:11 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
Pom_Pom
Pom_PomPom_PomBuenos Aires, Argentina71 Threads 32 Polls 1,740 Posts
Sep 27, 2013 4:16 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
kennyfromdublin: I see in the papers recently there have been a number of campaigns carried out by anti eviction movements on behalf on individuals who have been issued with repossession orders by their lender.

I would like to ask the question with the numbers of evictions historically low by international standards do the various anti eviction movements expect people to be allowed live in their homes for free.

Also how many people will have write downs, how much will it cost and who will pick up the tab?
Eviction is going to be very controversial in this country, then again some people borrowed crazy amounts of money but still sad to see people loose their houses, some folk will use the controversy to excuse them from paying if they can, plenty of new houses around here with no people living in them going to waste.
Sep 27, 2013 6:44 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
dublin_guy_2
dublin_guy_2dublin_guy_2Killiney / Cabinteely, Dublin Ireland8 Posts
People losing their homes is wrong but what about the homeless that don't have a home the first place?

And why are these numptys assaulting security guards doing their jobs , just to protect a stud farm?
Sep 28, 2013 4:54 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
kennyfromdublin: I see in the papers recently there have been a number of campaigns carried out by anti eviction movements on behalf on individuals who have been issued with repossession orders by their lender.

I would like to ask the question with the numbers of evictions historically low by international standards do the various anti eviction movements expect people to be allowed live in their homes for free.

Also how many people will have write downs, how much will it cost and who will pick up the tab?


Well it is not for free as they have already paid some of the mortgage down.
There should be an authority set up by the government that will look at peoples finances and see what they can pay. At the moment the banks are doing this and they are not being fair at all. If people pay other bills rather than the mortgage the banks are calling it strategic default. Which of course it is not. It is managing your finances best you can.
This new authority would look at the person in troubles finances in a fair way. Decide what they can pay and then that is what they pay until such a time as they get back on their feet and get back into the workplace. The situation as it is can't keep going on. We are in a situation were tax payers money was used to bail out these entities from their debts and now the banks want to evict tax payers from their home.
If someone has a second house or many more that were bought for investment reasons then the bank should be allowed repossess that or if they could realistically downscale they should be made downscale. Like if there was a family of 3 in a 5 bedroom house. But we can't allow families to be thrown out on the streets. If they are the state will have to house them anyway and that will end up costing more! It is simple math that it is best to leave them where they are rather than rehouse them and let the banks take the proceeds from the house sale!doh
Sep 28, 2013 4:58 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
Forgot to add that people are not looking at the actual cost of getting people out of their homes. Look what Priory Hall has cost Dublin County Council. That was just a number of families and it has cost nearly 4 million. If people are evicted the state has to house them!doh
Sep 28, 2013 9:28 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
mjpd67
mjpd67mjpd67galway, Galway Ireland181 Threads 5 Polls 6,550 Posts
Sep 29, 2013 1:20 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
There is going to have to be evictions painful as It is to Irish people, the state won't be able to afford to state people who have been evicted from their homes, people can always move in with familiy or friends if they have lost their homes, that's common in America, It's no big deal in my opinion.

However, if there are to be Repossessions all mortgages will have to be made non recourse eg if someone loses their home their mortgage doesn't follow them and the bank takes the hit.
Sep 29, 2013 1:23 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
I don't believe the state should be responsible for housing able bodied people under 65, It's the responsible of the individual to look after themselves or the voluntary sector and the community to help people in need.

There is far too much of a State Dependency culture in Ireland.
Oct 1, 2013 4:07 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
kennyfromdublin: I don't believe the state should be responsible for housing able bodied people under 65, It's the responsible of the individual to look after themselves or the voluntary sector and the community to help people in need.

There is far too much of a State Dependency culture in Ireland.



The state has a responsibility to look after the children of this country. It is ingrained in our constitution. And as most people in trouble are families with kids the state has a responsibility to make sure those kids have a safe roof over their heads. And with their parents unable to provide it because of the actions of the banks then the state has to step in. That is just the way it is and should be the way it is.
Oct 1, 2013 6:28 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74: The state has a responsibility to look after the children of this country. It is ingrained in our constitution. And as most people in trouble are families with kids the state has a responsibility to make sure those kids have a safe roof over their heads. And with their parents unable to provide it because of the actions of the banks then the state has to step in. That is just the way it is and should be the way it is.


The state does not have a responsibility to look after the children of this country. That responsibility lies first with their parents, not the state. Having said that I think it should look after them and help parents who need help, unless they are totally taking the piss of course and living it high on the dole and not looking after their kids.
Oct 1, 2013 7:04 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
kennyfromdublin: I see in the papers recently there have been a number of campaigns carried out by anti eviction movements on behalf on individuals who have been issued with repossession orders by their lender.

I would like to ask the question with the numbers of evictions historically low by international standards do the various anti eviction movements expect people to be allowed live in their homes for free.

Also how many people will have write downs, how much will it cost and who will pick up the tab?


How much will it cost to re house these people if they are evicted from there homes. Clearly they must be unemployed and ran up arrears.

So they evict them, what then, they put there name down for social housing. Stay on the waiting list for a couple of years. In the mean time they rent privately. Who pays for this? They will be assisted with this, but will have to pay contribution. I don't see the benefits of evicting these people.

From what I see from friends that are in this predicament, the banks and marp are working along side them to prevent evictions.

Who will pick up the tab? who always picks up the tab in this country. The taxer payer does. I would rather see people staying in there homes. Do we honestly want more houses empty around the country!!!

When I moved to Wicklow, it was rare there was a house for sale. Every third house has a for sale sign up now. No one can sell there house, if there getting an offer, offer there getting wouldn't pay mortage off.
Oct 1, 2013 11:42 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
It's not the job of the state to provide all the answers to life's little difficulties, It's the responsibilities of able bodied individuals to look after themselves and if the Individual can't provide for themselves It's the responsibility of the Voluntary sector and the community to help people in Need.

It's called self reliance not state dependency.
Oct 1, 2013 11:43 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
emerald888: How much will it cost to re house these people if they are evicted from there homes. Clearly they must be unemployed and ran up arrears.

So they evict them, what then, they put there name down for social housing. Stay on the waiting list for a couple of years. In the mean time they rent privately. Who pays for this? They will be assisted with this, but will have to pay contribution. I don't see the benefits of evicting these people.

From what I see from friends that are in this predicament, the banks and marp are working along side them to prevent evictions.

Who will pick up the tab? who always picks up the tab in this country. The taxer payer does. I would rather see people staying in there homes. Do we honestly want more houses empty around the country!!!

When I moved to Wicklow, it was rare there was a house for sale. Every third house has a for sale sign up now. No one can sell there house, if there getting an offer, offer there getting wouldn't pay mortage off.


As I said before in another post people can always move in with frie4nds or family if they have lost their house, It's common in America and It's no big deal in my opinion.
Oct 1, 2013 12:07 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
emerald888
emerald888emerald888wicklow, Wicklow Ireland2 Threads 1,054 Posts
kennyfromdublin: As I said before in another post people can always move in with frie4nds or family if they have lost their house, It's common in America and It's no big deal in my opinion.




roll eyes
Oct 1, 2013 3:30 PM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
The unfinished shells are the funniest. Look at this yoke for €100k. €40k morelike. I hear they're short a handball alley down in Claremorris and the inside of this looks ideal... with a little work. Mind you, some of the neighbours would be well backward.
Oct 2, 2013 12:38 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
scriobhneoir
scriobhneoirscriobhneoirCork, Ireland85 Threads 2 Polls 3,276 Posts
Perhaps we should just shoot them eh Kenny? It would be a lot quicker and cheaper after all. Or perhaps we should bring back the Dickensian workhouses?roll eyes
Oct 2, 2013 1:23 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
MarsMan
MarsManMarsManBobbing along, Cork Ireland29 Threads 8 Polls 981 Posts
I have always maintained that none of this is my debt.

I did not enter into any contractual agreement to underwrite the banks (bondholders), I did not give out loans to people based on imaginary scenarios, or allow developers to roll over their loans (The Banks.)I did not borrow any money to build property (The developers) and I did not take out any mortgage to buy a house at over inflated prices hoping that the market would continue to spiral upward indefinitely (speculators).

It is not my debt, and I refuse to be made feel guilty for other peoples stupidity, greed and gullibility in believing all the hype by the banks, media and government about owning property at any cost. It is their debt to pay, not mine!
Oct 2, 2013 3:16 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
snowlynx: The state does not have a responsibility to look after the children of this country. That responsibility lies first with their parents, not the state. Having said that I think it should look after them and help parents who need help, unless they are totally taking the piss of course and living it high on the dole and not looking after their kids.


Well I did say "And with their parents unable to provide it" in my statement. So with the parents unable to provide a safe place to stay for the children it would fall on to the state to do that. And that WOULD be the responsibility of the State.

And I dont think anyone is "Living it High" on the dole while not bothering paying their mortgage. doh
Oct 2, 2013 3:27 AM CST Anti eviction movement in Ireland
sofarsogood74
sofarsogood74sofarsogood74Dublin, Ireland40 Threads 4 Polls 2,711 Posts
kennyfromdublin: It's not the job of the state to provide all the answers to life's little difficulties, It's the responsibilities of able bodied individuals to look after themselves and if the Individual can't provide for themselves It's the responsibility of the Voluntary sector and the community to help people in Need.

It's called self reliance not state dependency.


But it is the responsibility of the state to look after the children of the state and make sure they don't end up on the streets. And with the family going back to the banks the state would have no option but to house the family because it includes Children. This is not up for debate Kenny. laugh That is the way it is. Also not everyone has family and friends in a position to take them in. A huge amount of people in Ireland are struggling at the moment.
So with that being the way it is it would be counter productive to start evicting families from their homes. It would cost us more in the long run.
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